English Defence League take over mosque roof!

EDL on roof......






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reply to post by Freeborn


Yes we share a dislike of fundamentalists. I notice this from your other posts. I too dislike the antics of certain moslems. I love air travel and hate the new set of humiliating hoops I must go through.

I seem to have mis interpreted your post . Sorry.

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reply to post by INQUISITION11


I hope that is the case so we can put this to bed...

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Chevalerous

 

Hmm. Not true.

Strangley enough I was recently talking to an ATS friend of mine and telling him how I was thinking about starting a thread about the left wing leanings of the early Nazi Party.

In the very early days of National Socialist German Workers Party there were quite a number of members, some senior ranking and influential, who had quite strong left wing views.

These included the Strasser brothers and a young Joseph Goebbels.

Hitler and the right wing of the party only gained full control in 1926 at The Bamburg Conference.

The rest as they say is history...or is it?

The nazi party recruited from a very broad spectrum in the 1920's Germany, and took most voters from the national farmers party - but suprisingly also many voters from the social democrats and communists as well. that's why they won!

Many of left wing thugs who used to fight in the streets for Marxism and Socialism joined because they saw the opportunities of this popular growing movement while their own movements were stagnating.

The delusional Strasser brothers and others thought they could use this nazi "third way model" in politics as their political platform - but they soon become aware that this was not going to happen since their politics went against the THESIS of fascism.

So all few percent of the so called Leftist and anarchists of the Nazi Party were early outmaneuvered and eliminated by the big fascist falange of the party.

Let's see what Hitler himself said, shall we?

'No room for the alien, no use for the wastrel'

This edited interview of Adolf Hitler by George Sylvester Viereck took place in 1923. It was republished in Liberty magazine in July 1932

"When I take charge of Germany, I shall end tribute abroad and Bolshevism at home."
Adolf Hitler drained his cup as if it contained not tea, but the lifeblood of Bolshevism.

"Bolshevism," the chief of the Brown Shirts, the Fascists of Germany, continued, gazing at me balefully, "is our greatest menace. Kill Bolshevism in Germany and you restore 70 million people to power. France owes her strength not to her armies but to the forces of Bolshevism and dissension in our midst.

"The Treaty of Versailles and the Treaty of St Germain are kept alive by Bolshevism in Germany. The Peace Treaty and Bolshevism are two heads of one monster. We must decapitate both."

When Adolf Hitler announced this programme, the advent of the Third Empire which he proclaims seemed still at the end of the rainbow. Then came election after election. Each time the power of Hitler grew. While unable to dislodge Hindenburg from the presidency, Hitler today heads the largest party in Germany. Unless Hindenburg assumes dictatorial measures, or some unexpected development completely upsets all present calculations, Hitler's party will organise the Reichstag and dominate the government. Hitler's fight was not against Hindenburg but against Chancellor Bruening. It is doubtful if Bruening's successor can sustain himself without the support of the National Socialists.

Many who voted for Hindenburg were at heart with Hitler, but some deep-rooted sense of loyalty impelled them nevertheless to cast their vote for the old field marshal. Unless overnight a new leader arises, there is no one in Germany, with the exception of Hindenburg, who could defeat Hitler - and Hindenburg is 85! Time and the recalcitrance of the French fight for Hitler, unless some blunder on his own part, or dissension within the ranks of the party, deprives him of his opportunity to play the part of Germany's Mussolini.

The first German Empire came to an end when Napoleon forced the Austrian emperor to surrender his imperial crown. The second empire came to an end when William II, on the advice of Hindenburg, sought refuge in Holland. The third empire is emerging slowly but surely, although it may dispense with sceptres and crowns.

I met Hitler not in his headquarters, the Brown House in Munich, but in a private home - the dwelling of a former admiral of the German Navy. We discussed the fate of Germany over the teacups.

"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"

"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists

And here we can see a good explanation how the fascist Hitler fooled the masses and everybody with the word "Socialism" as a buzzword in their party name to lure uneducated voters and workers from the established workers parties like the social democrats and the communists which were the only other parties who gave the workers a voice at the time.

"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.

"We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one."

"What," I continued my cross-examination, "are the fundamental planks of your platform?"

"We believe in a healthy mind in a healthy body. The body politic must be sound if the soul is to be healthy. Moral and physical health are synonymous." "Mussolini," I interjected, "said the same to me." Hitler beamed.

"The slums," he added, "are responsible for nine-tenths, alcohol for one-tenth, of all human depravity. No healthy man is a Marxian. Healthy men recognise the value of personality. We contend against the forces of disaster and degeneration. Bavaria is comparatively healthy because it is not completely industrialised. However, all Germany, including Bavaria, is condemned to intensive industrialism by the smallness of our territory. If we wish to save Germany we must see to it that our farmers remain faithful to the land. To do so, they must have room to breathe and room to work."
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"Our demoralised party system is a symptom of our disaster. Parliamentary majorities fluctuate with the mood of the moment. Parliamentary government unbars the gate to Bolshevism."

"Unlike some German militarists, you do not favour an alliance with Soviet Russia?"

Hitler evaded a direct reply to this question. He evaded it again recently when Liberty asked him to reply to Trotsky's statement that his assumption of power in Germany would involve a life-and-death struggle between Europe, led by Germany, and Soviet Russia.

"It may not suit Hitler to attack Bolshevism in Russia. He may even look upon an alliance with Bolshevism as his last card, if he is in danger of losing the game. If, he intimated on one occasion, capitalism refuses to recognise that the National Socialists are the last bulwark of private property, if capital impedes their struggle, Germany may be compelled to throw herself into the enticing arms of the siren Soviet Russia. But he is determined not to permit Bolshevism to take root in Germany."
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"We want a greater Germany uniting all German tribes. But our salvation can start in the smallest corner. Even if we had only 10 acres of land and were determined to defend them with our lives, the 10 acres would become the focus of regeneration. Our workers have two souls: one is German, the other is Marxian. We must arouse the German soul. We must uproot the canker of Marxism. Marxism and Germanism are antitheses.

"In my scheme of the German state, there will be no room for the alien, no use for the wastrel, for the usurer or speculator, or anyone incapable of productive work."

The cords on Hitler's forehead stood out threateningly. His voice filled the room. There was a noise at the door. His followers, who always remain within call, like a bodyguard, reminded the leader of his duty to address a meeting.

Hitler gulped down his tea and rose.

www.guardian.co.uk...

Here, the intelligent one can clearly see how cleverly Hitler is spouting his BS about their choice to call their party 'National Socialists.'

He is rambling nonsense about an ancient Aryan Germanic institution where the ancestors held certain lands in common and where they cultivated the idea of the common weal - and call this their way of socialism.

And to confuse and to fool people further about their use of the word socialism to lure more voters to believe that they had any thing to do with socialism he said: Our socialism is national."

Everyone with an ounce of intelligence and knowledge of European 1930's political history can see now in hindsight that what he is describing here is nothing else than FASCISM

Whatever words and crazy explanations he is using to describe their National Socialism doesn't matter.

It was their clever way to use the popular buzzword of Socialism to disguise fascism as some form of ancient Aryan tradition to fool the voters.

If they had been openly fascists as their political ally in Italy - they would never had gotten the votes from the German people in the election, March 1933.

They fooled everybody in Germany to accept fascism disguised under the name of National Socialism.

reply to post by Tiger5


No problem at all.

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yes we have a few individuals who moved from the SWP to the brownshirts. You are right in your analysis.

I'd like a picture of the parks that have signs saying that whites aren't allowed please.

reply to post by Chevalerous


Don't disagree with anything you said.

I was just pointing out that in the early days there were genuine left and right wing sides of the party.
Something that very few people realise.

And of course Hitler, and his propoganda minister Goebells, whom Hitler personally begged to abandon the more 'socialist' side of the party, were excellent at using the 'buzz' words of the day to manipulate the electorate.

The plans for the mosque have indeed been scrapped... About time the people were heard... Just a shame that it had to come to this.... When the democratic process fails, then people power takes over.... TPTB take note....

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That would require me to go into that area of Tipton... The same area the Tipton Taliban come from, and after todays activities I would most certainly get my head kicked in so go there yourself if you want pics..... The signs are there though.... I dare you to go take a look...

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once again you are trying to spread your racist bullcrap, I've read your thread about islam being bent of domination of the world, and once again im going to say only once you present me proper sources and not racist and prejudice youtube videos will i take your "claims" even remotely serious.

-b0s-

Originally posted by Parallex
The Fascist EDL scum are at it again.

I hope the police arrest them all, and give them a good beating while they're at it. If the police don't, then I'm sure there are others who will. I think it's time some of us went and occupied the roof of a local church in protest at the disgusting propagation of Christian activity.

In fact, I might drive down there myself and open up a can of my favourite material.

Parallex.

Uhm arn't we always posting against police brutality? I mean since a lot of us are in line to get beaten at some point (or have in my case) by the police for standing up for what we believe?

Just wondering, not a flame, just say'n we must be tolerant and show a better way to those who are lost. We cannot expect change to come for us if we do not put change ahead of us.

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notice if you will and i quote "John Howard strongly opposes Radical Islam", which is just like any other branch of religious extremism. you cant compare a small group of people to the rest of the 1.3billion muslims worldwide.

-b0s-

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Ok so i'm gonna admit I've lived a pretty sheltered life here in the UK and have never really come across any Muslim extremism in any of the area's in which I have lived, that includes Leeds and London. It's just something that has never been on my radar, so to speak, so when people talk about the Islamification of the UK, it just doesn't register at all.

I just cant see how these protests by the EDL can achieve anything other than harm to communities. Their tactics are extremely provocative and their membership looks like a bunch of Football hooligans to any outsider.

Many of the members organising the Aylesbury demonstration were on the towns pub's banned list, and for anyone who drinks in towns knows what these people are like. Not usually the sharpest tools in the box.

I believe it was Winston Churchill who said, prophetically, that in the future the facists will claim to be anti fascist.
I think we see this in the UK with the so called violent, radical and frightening Anti Fascist Organizations who are allowed to commit criminality with impunity.

It is a shame that the UK has descended into a total cess pit and the English people are being ignored and trodden into the ground.

But there is little to be done for it.

Religions and races that scream the loudest and claim the impunity cloak of 'religious devotion' are alway the ones who win.

The English are just a nice bunch of people, hospitable and too caring who have been sold into slavery by their political masters and face their end with courage.

I hope it doesn't come to that but King Arthur seems to be a bit late coming!

Originally posted by Yissachar1
The plans for the mosque have indeed been scrapped... About time the people were heard... Just a shame that it had to come to this.... When the democratic process fails, then people power takes over.... TPTB take note....

This is a victory for the new fascist regime. We will see this strong-arm tactic used by ignorant racist morons more and more - eventually it will come to blood in the streets!

Parallex.

Originally posted by Yissachar1
Yeah its happening..... lol.... We dont want that mosque around here so I support them...

Is about time this happening. Enough with this pseudo tolerance. Western civilization should stand up and protect its values. They want mosques, let em build in their homeland. I'm sick and tired with this crap. They want to impose their life stile, their believe system, their costumes... Are they willing to accept the same in their countries? No, they don't. Try to go there and build a church, or as a female try to walk around without a burka or... whatever and see what happens. Got nothing against Islam but I have a big problem with them trying to force the rest of the world accepting their believe with any cost. They take so much advantage of our democracy and freedom meanwhile are the first to blame it and attack it with every means. Whatta irony.

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A victory for stereotyping and religious intolerance to. Pagans watch out they well be next on the list or will it be the Jews and their rituals??

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Kinda reminds me of history............HISTORY and why it will never be a muslim nation.
Muslims are allowed to worship the way they wish but will never replace the Religeon of the Nation as a whole. We made laws to prevent any reoccurance of our bloody past. We have abolished places of worship in the past just because people became so high on the sect that it gave tyhem delusions of grandeur be it Muslim, Catholic etc etc it doesn't mean you will ever have free reign. Britian learnt this mistake thhe hard way.....once bitten twice shy. Just before I get any racist slurs to my post THINK AGAIN part of my family are muslim. I am C of E.
As for the thread I support the fact that it was not accepted by the populas as a whole to build this mosque so it should NOT be built and built in a more acceptable location.

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