The no vote movement!, page 1

reply to post by onequestion

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Just because you hate baseball does not mean you will get everyone else to stop attending games. Thats what politics has become...a game, republicans versus democrats, and TPTB always win!

reply to post by SmokeandShadow

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Well if i leave my material "needs/wants" behind, then nothing has power.

reply to post by MandBB

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I like your idea on voting for concepts. This whole voting for people thing is really Romanesque.

Do you have any ideas for reaching out to people?

If they can devise tactics to enslave people, we can devise tactics to unenslave them. How do we go about creating subtle messages that only slyly rely one small message at a time? Or how do we trick people out of their mindset? Can we devise these ways as well?

reply to post by MandBB

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I like your idea on voting for concepts. This whole voting for people thing is really Romanesque.

Do you have any ideas for reaching out to people?

If they can devise tactics to enslave people, we can devise tactics to unenslave them. How do we go about creating subtle messages that only slyly rely one small message at a time? Or how do we trick people out of their mindset? Can we devise these ways as well?

reply to post by ghostsoldier

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Voting into a system that is broke and void of change is not going to work either. Using a system that is broke doesn't work to change the system.

If your water pipes are broke, do you still use them? Or do you get new pipes and fix them?

[edit on 1-5-2010 by onequestion]

Originally posted by onequestion
reply to post by SmokeandShadow

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Well if i leave my material "needs/wants" behind, then nothing has power.

You mean power over you? That is correct, but it does not change the world unfortunately. I feel you though, and I do agree. If people are fed and have something to watch or play, why rock the boat?

Protesting is like raising you're hand in class whereas overturning the desk and refusing to do any work is far more effective, but that food and those t.v shows would be taken away. People don't want to give up their cars, phones, internet connections and grow their own food to cause real change. Protesting is easier, safer and ultimately placating.

reply to post by SmokeandShadow

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You are right, protesting is protesting. I think we should be more creative with our approach. Encoding things, subliminal messaging (within the context of our speech, not literal translation). Grabbing someone by the balls and screaming, 'WAKE UP!', affective but i don't think it will work.

Mybe,

Hey man, there is a lot of police cars, i heard they have m-16s now! Does the military use m-16s?

I am not to intrusive but i am presenting the seed for a new idea. If we can create subliminal tactics like this and get some momentum behind it, mybe we can affect change faster.

Just an example, please don't over think it.

reply to post by onequestion

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I agree that the pipes need replacing - to do that you need a number of different tools.



Voting is one of them.




You gotta do more than drop-out - because that is why the 60's movement failed.

reply to post by ghostsoldier

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I agree with you about the 60's.


But something has to be done to unbrainwash. I think what would standout the most is all of our younger generation standing up and saying, "wait! we are not going to vote! we don't need to be controlled!".

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
reply to post by onequestion

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You gotta do more than drop-out - because that is why the 60's movement failed.

The 60's movement failed because they all got jobs and started families, if they survived. What else were they going to do?

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reply to post by onequestion

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How many of the young vote as it is now?

I think you are right, and are correct in philosophy.

Modern politics serves middle class families and megarich corporations. All three have an unhealthy symbiotic relationship that are destroying the world.

One of the biggest impacts that would shake up the system for good, would be educating a whole generation about ethical/conscious-consumerism and grass-roots capitalism/communalism.

Binary mindstate is something we as conscious activists have got to break down. The approach has got to be multi-faceted.

Your no-vote-movement could only express itself clearing once or so every 4 years, and it may take 40 years to get your desired point across - alot can happen between now and 40 years time. Yous in America have got a less than 50% voter turn out on average anyway - they like it that way.

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