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In generative philosophy of cognitive sciences and evolutionary psychology, free will is assumed not to exist.[89][90] However, an illusion of free will is created, within this theoretical context, due to the generation of infinite or computationally complex behaviour from the interaction of a finite set of rules and parameters. Thus, the unpredictability of the emerging behaviour from deterministic processes leads to a perception of free will, even though free will as an ontological entity is assumed not to exist.[89][90] In this picture, even if the behavior could be computed ahead of time, no way of doing so will be simpler than just observing the outcome of the brain's own computations.[91]
As an illustration, some strategy board games have rigorous rules in which no information (such as cards' face values) is hidden from either player and no random events (such as dice rolling) occur in the game. Nevertheless, strategy games like chess and especially Go, with its simple deterministic rules, can have an extremely large number of unpredictable moves. By analogy, "emergentists" suggest that the experience of free will emerges from the interaction of finite rules and deterministic parameters that generate infinite and unpredictable behaviour. Yet, if all these events were accounted for, and there were a known way to evaluate these events, the seemingly unpredictable behavior would become predictable.[89][90]
Early scientific thought often portrayed the universe as deterministic,[64] and some thinkers claimed that the simple process of gathering sufficient information would allow them to predict future events with perfect accuracy. Modern science, on the other hand, is a mixture of deterministic and stochastic theories.[65] Quantum mechanics predicts events only in terms of probabilities, casting doubt on whether the universe is deterministic at all. Current physical theories cannot resolve the question of whether determinism is true of the world, being very far from a potential Final Theory, and open to many different interpretations.[66][67]
Assuming that an indeterministic interpretation of quantum mechanics is correct, one may still object that such indeterminism is for all practical purposes confined to microscopic phenomena.[68] However, many macroscopic phenomena are based on quantum effects, for instance, some hardware random number generators work by amplifying quantum effects into practically usable signals.
A more significant question is whether the indeterminism of quantum mechanics allows for the traditional idea of free will (based on a perception of free will - see Experimental Psychology below for distinction), when the laws of quantum mechanics provide a complete probabilistic account of the motion of particles regardless of whether or not free will exists.[69] Under the assumption of physicalism it has been argued that if an action is taken due to quantum randomness, this in itself would mean that traditional free will is absent, since such action cannot be controllable by a physical being claiming to possess such free will.[70] Following this argument, traditional free will would only be possible under the assumption of compatibilism; in a deterministic universe, or in an indeterministic universe where the human body is for all intents and neurological purposes deterministic.
"(The results of the experiment) clearly argue against Libet’s assumption that a veto process can be consciously initiated. He used the veto in order to reintroduce the possibility to control the unconsciously initiated actions. But since the subjects are not very accurate in observing when they have not stopped, the act of vetoing cannot be consciously initiated".
Scanning the brain in action, the readiness potential that indicates the beginning of movement genesis is recorded by an EEG applied to the pre-supplementary motor area (pre-SMA). Directly stimulating the pre-SMA causes volunteers to report a feeling of intention, and sufficient stimulation of that same area causes physical movement [17]. This suggests that awareness of an intention to move may literally be the “sensation” of the body’s early movement, but certainly not the cause.
Originally posted by AceWombat04
I would attempt to decide to think of something that did not exist in reality (as far as I know.) I decided to imagine a green, fuzzy pumpkin. However, again, the question occurred to me: why did I choose those parameters? Where did they originate from?
Originally posted by dPD89
Originally posted by AceWombat04
I would attempt to decide to think of something that did not exist in reality (as far as I know.) I decided to imagine a green, fuzzy pumpkin. However, again, the question occurred to me: why did I choose those parameters? Where did they originate from?
Rather than asking where these parameters came from, look at the parameters themselves. "Green", "Fuzzy" and "Pumpkin". You tried to think of something outside of reality, but all your concious, or subconscious, could muster is a combination of three parameters that are already based in reality. This is where I think us humans are limited. We can only imagine something that we have already experienced, or combinations of multiple experiences.
Think about Plato's Allegory of the Cave. If you have never seen the colour green, a pumpkin, or something with a fuzzy characteristic, it is unlikely that you would be able to imagine them, because your mind has nothing to make a reference to. If you see the colour green, your mind suddenly has a new parameter to make a reference to, therefore your mind can conjure up more images with this new parameter.
We are limited to what we know or have experienced I feel.
Originally posted by Nostradumbass
Look at it this way.
You can't choose where you come from, but you can choose where you end up.
Every decision we make is as simple as a Yes or No. And we in a sense, have two choices on where we end up on that day and for that life.
We can't control the emotions we feel or who else enters our life, we can merely choose which road to take and hope and prepare for the best.
Saying things like "I have no free will" is just evidence that you need to do something different with you life. That you feel like your stuck in wet cement and can't get out.
Good Luck
Oh, I agree. But that still leaves me the question of whether or not it is possible to choose the parameters. I was never able to. If I tried to cut my thought process off from seemingly deterministic causality by trying to establish parameters without preexisting ones already in place, the best I could do was for something to pop into my head seemingly at random (from the, as you point out, already established "database" of what my brain has been exposed to, if you will.)
Originally posted by AceWombat04
reply to post by Smiggle
Interesting.
Even if we could eliminate all psychologically derived limiting beliefs however, could there not remain external deterministic factors resulting in causal chains of input which, combined with other deterministic (or indeterministic but uncontrollable by us) processes inherent to our the systems which produce our experience of consciousness that render our apparent choices beyond our control in the sense we typically think of it?