Abortion, for or against?

This is a thread for a debate on a major issue in the USA and several other western countries.

Are you for or against abortion? And why?




I am currently indifferent upon the subject as I see the pros and cons of both sides. Here are some things to think about when forming your conclusion.

*Abortions are taking the life of an innocent child.
*It is the womans body so inevitably isn't it her personal choice?

reply to post by Misoir


If it is because the baby can't be loved, looked after and treated the way it deserves then I think just back off and let the parents decide. It is not an easy decision for any person. The most important thing is that all the children that are born are well taken care of.

I just think it is up for each to decide if it comes their way.

Thankyou for the post. It is an issue that should be much more openly discussed.

I perhaps have a unique view point, so thank you for posting this thread..



I am morally opposed to abortions, yet an advocate of abortions remaining legal..

Let's face it, if a woman wants to kill her child, she will find a way to do it. Now back when it was illegal, women had abortions in "back ally" scenarios with untrained individuals in unsanitary conditions.. Just more death and unneeded injury.

The last thing we need to do is to drive it back under ground and into the back ally's. We will have accomplished nothing in doing this..

Semper

Originally posted by semperfortis

I am morally opposed to abortions, yet an advocate of abortions remaining legal..

Yup, my view as well.
Proper medical care should be available, but it is still an awful business.

reply to post by semperfortis


Great perspective upon the subject. I agree that abortion should be legal, within a set period of time. Just as you mentioned the days before legalized abortion when women would do very dangerous and even life threatening procedures to have an abortion.

We now have safe abortions that are legal which has greatly reduced the mortality rate on this procedure by driving it out from hiding.

I also share your view that it is morally wrong since it is a human life, but it will happen whether it is legal or not so why not make it safe?

I wont lie and say I am a huge proponent of abortion, but at the same time, I believe the woman has the right to choose what she does with her body. If she doesn't wish to follow through with a pregnancy, who is anyone else to say that they cannot? It is called freedom of choice. In a free society, women should be free to make that choice. Whether others disagree with that choice or not.

I can't say I condone it, but I don't believe I have the right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body.

What I am opposed to, however, is government funding for abortions. Nobody should be forced to pay for something to which they are morally opposed.


TheAssoc.

I am all for choice.

Although I am totally disgusted by those who use abortions as a form of birth control, I think it's just lazy and totally unacceptable.
But there are many reasons and circumstances when an abortion is the "only" option... I say only because of course someone could have the child and then give it up for adoption in many cases, but in other there maybe medical, social or personal reasons for wanting a termination and it should be done on a case by case basis.

I used to be for the right to an abortion, until I saw pictures of abortions, with baby being cut to pieces, without medication to ease the pain, so they could be outed... Or left to suffocate for some time in plastic bags...
Now, with the live abortion, in the states...

I'm for it if it is to save the woman's life due to a medical condition. All other cases should see the infant get born and given to adoption.

Search and read for posts by women who DID get an abortion; I've still to find one that was pleased by the experience and that was left happier, healthier and filled with joy. If it doesn't kill their spirit on the spot, it does over time.
Most women are traumatized, as their unborn kid gets shredded to pieces and then sucked out, by the sound the devices make, and the images it leaves in their mind...


In any ways, you have to have childrens of your own to realize how horrific the abortion idea can be.

Did you know you can play with your kid while in the womb? The kid will recognize your voice and be very active when hearing it. You can grab their hands and feet through the skin...
When my wife was pregnant, we began reading stories to the baby everyday for 30 minutes. Everyday. Starting at three months of pregnancy, when the brain develops. This has saved our daughter, because when she was born, she had her umbilical cord around the neck. She wasn't strangled, but was stuck in that position for a long time. When the doctor delivered her, she refused to breath and was taken right away to an oxygen station, where she was vigorously rubbed and put under oxygen, in hope to see her breath.
She was all blue and purple, her body limp. She was not out for more than a minute. When I got to where the doc took her, as advised by the nurse, all the personnel, with sorrow on their faces, head bent down, sided to let me see my daughter, probably alive for a minute or so before...
I got to her side, put my hand on her head, got my mouth close to her hear and told her these simple words: " Hello Jani, how are you?" She immediately responded by taking a deep breath, clenched her fists hard enough to turn them white, and started crying and yelling her frustration for being stuck for her while... Experiences with my two boys were different, but equally memorable...

Abortions, as in trans-gender operations, should be revised by a panel of specialists before being agreed upon. Many wouldn't get the OK, making them more wiser in the overall... And thinking twice before "screwing" everybody's life. Because it does.

Aresh

I'm pro-choice (for) on the issue of abortion. My position is that it's not possible to take the life of an unborn child because "life begins at birth". Prior to birth, the fetus is a parasite feeding on it's host (mother) - a very unpopular opinion I'm sure, but it pretty much sums up my position. Let the flames begin.

gj

I dont think we need another thread like this.

There was another one and you are just going to get the same stuff.

Im off to create another highly controversal thread, wich i know will get me hundred of replies, and stars and flags............

We should dismiss pro-choice for making it easy.

We should dismiss against for deciding for another.

There is actualy only on good way to go. As every women is boss of her own body.

Mind your own freaking business !


Show respect and tolerate others. If you don't like it look away.

( Not adressed to the OP. Adressed to all who force their ways on to others. )

I'm Pro Choice.

However, I'm also Pro Responsiblity. Which means if you have the means to take care of the child and provide a safe and happy home, you should be denied an abortion.

However,

If you were raped or a junkie or any other of those special conditions that make it that your child will either be: Orphaned, deformed etc... Then it should be the mother's choice.

~Keeper

I will never have to answer this question in real life. But for me if the woman ahs a right to choose than so should the male.

For me its wrong, but i will never have to worry about being it that position, so maybe there are things and circumstances when it is right.

But for me it is wrong, and i think all females do pay for it, no matter what females think.

I cannot believe there is such a thing as a serial abortionist, amazing.

Originally posted by andy1033
I will never have to answer this question in real life. But for me if the woman ahs a right to choose than so should the male.

For me its wrong, but i will never have to worry about being it that position, so maybe there are things and circumstances when it is right.

But for me it is wrong, and i think all females do pay for it, no matter what females think.

I cannot believe there is such a thing as a serial abortionist, amazing.

Actually, you perhaps would have to answer the question.

What if your wife wanted to have an abortion. That's your child, so morally speaking you should have some choice no?

~Keeper

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Actually, you perhaps would have to answer the question.

What if your wife wanted to have an abortion. That's your child, so morally speaking you should have some choice no?

~Keeper

No i am not interested in females, so this question is something i will never have to ask, but i understand why people would never want to bring someone into this world.

I am just saying from my point of view, whether it is valid as who knows.

But for me it is wrong, from my stand point of being outside of the situation.

Come on now do you think that 15 abortions in 17 years should be allowed?

Originally posted by andy1033

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Actually, you perhaps would have to answer the question.

What if your wife wanted to have an abortion. That's your child, so morally speaking you should have some choice no?

~Keeper

No i am not interested in females, so this question is something i will never have to ask, but i understand why people would never want to bring someone into this world.

I am just saying from my point of view, whether it is valid as who knows.

But for me it is wrong, from my stand point of being outside of the situation.

Come on now do you think that 15 abortions in 17 years should be allowed?

Me and you both on the girls issues lol

As for the 15 in 17 years, hell no. She should be tried and convicted of premeditated murder or at least voluntary manslaughter.

I mean enough is enough after all.

Like I said, I'm good with it, so long as it's the party involved who made the decision, and for the right reasons.

~Keeper

I'm most definately pro life. I've heard the excuses of it's a womans body, so it's her decison. I have a couple of problems with this. First, it's the childs body as well......and they don't have a choice. Secondly suppose, the woman wants an abortion and the father doesn't, it happens. Since it's only her right he has no choice. Conversely, if the woman wants the child and the man doesn't, he has no choice but to pay child support for the next twwo decades.........seems it's more of a business at the end of the day, and less about morals. Sad state of affairs all around

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
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Actually, you perhaps would have to answer the question.

What if your wife wanted to have an abortion. That's your child, so morally speaking you should have some choice no?

~Keeper

No, he doesn't.

Because he does not goes mighty morphin pork belly the next nine months. Where there is also a verry real risk to die from any complications and a possible non-benefit future for the child.

Why should he. For donating one cel.
A women is boss of her own body . She decides.

According to the Geneve confention every human being has

The right to...

Covenant on Civil and Political Rights

This covenant details the basic civil and political rights of individuals and nations. Among the rights of nations are:

the right to self determination

the right to own, trade, and dispose of their property freely, and not be deprived of their means of subsistence

Among the rights of individuals are:

the right to legal recourse when their rights have been violated, even if the violator was acting in an official capacity

the right to life
the right to liberty and freedom of movement
the right to equality before the law
the right to presumption of innocence til proven guilty
the right to appeal a conviction
the right to be recognized as a person before the law
the right to privacy and protection of that privacy by law
freedom of thought, conscience, and religion
freedom of opinion and expression
freedom of assembly and association
The covenant forbids torture and inhuman

Human rights

The law has given a time when life is life. 3 months if I'm correct.
Until then. Mind your own business