When I was younger I was able to have lucid dreams, when I would have a lucid dream it was because I could recognize when I was 'about to fall
asleep' and then start imagining whatever I wanted as I fell into the dream world. I guess these were not "fully lucid" dreams because most of the
time I could only control myself and I had no idea I was dreaming once fully asleep, but I could with almost 100% reliability choose how my dreams
. If I wanted to dream about flying around the world then my dream would start with my flying around the world, and then as the dream
went on I'd forget I was dreaming and crazy stuff would start happening (sometimes nightmares) and it'd be completely out of my control.
I would lay in bed and just imagine whatever as I was going to sleep, it was effortless, and I would actually consciously control it as I drifted off
to sleep. Usually the subject of the dream was happy and I didn't 'initiate' the process, I was just so relaxed my imagination would go wild and
suddenly my imagination would be way more powerful than normal, as powerful as a dream and I'd be like "woah" and embrace it. I remember this
process vividly because it was so awesome. I have been able to do it rarely as an adult, but nowhere near every night (and at some point in my life I
apparently just stopped trying, but I don't remember when.
Now onto the subject matter:
An interesting ATS thread from 2004
I'm not sure how I saw this thread but I think it was actually in the "recent posts" thing just a few minutes ago. I only read page one and two
before making this thread.
In that thread I saw this:
I turned off the light and was falling asleep, but I was not quite out yet............
Suddenly the sound of wind rushing filled my ears....like the sound you hear if you stick your head out of a fast moving car...........and I just KNEW
this person was IN THE ROOM with me and what was about to happen.....I got SO EXITED I thought it might hinder the prosess, so I was like "calm down,
calm down dont be affraid!"
Emphasis in bold
Upon meditation, you can ask, for help to escape the body at the crucial moment "in between" wakefulness and sleep. Maintain awareness to
this moment and allow the body to relax until you do not feel "physical" anymore.
Anyway, many of my lucid dreams were not possibly reality (out of body experience) and even though I had a lot of control, scary # would happen, like
giant spiders would start chasing me and I would decide to fly away from them at high speed or to find the same kinds of weapons that my action
figures had (which shot lasers or missiles or what have you) and blast them away. I was a kid and I had a similar imagination to most kids I would
But what I noticed should be obvious at this point, I was able to enter the lucid dream state by utilizing the 'in between' of consciousness and
unconsciousness, that time period where you are 'drifting off to sleep'. I would recognize it because I would already be imagining things in my head
and suddenly I would be able to imagine far more vividly than normal, that was always the signal. Many times the dream would not be lucid, but almost
EVERY time I would be able to choose the subject that my dream started out as
I would even be able to think to myself "I'm about to fall asleep, cool!" without disrupting the process.
So my questions are twofold. One for the skeptics:
Do you think this is what people seeking Out of Body Experiences do, and they just don't realize that they are setting themselves up for the
illusion? I am assuming you guys at least believe that some of the people who claim to have this ability really believe that they have it? Would this
be a reasonable explanation as to why they might think that? I was able to do just about anything I could imagine with this sort of thing, and in fact
even dreamed something close to an 'out of body experience' after one of my dogs that grew up with me from birth until she died, I played fetch with
her ghost (her favorite thing to do) in my front yard with a frisbee.
That one didn't feel intentional or like I made it happen but it did start when I was in the 'in between' state. I was VERY upset when she died and
VERY angry at my parents for putting her to sleep, this dream really helped me cope. I do not really trust my memory of it, I am tempted to believe it
was a real experience though (and did as a child, I absolutely believed it was 100% real after it was over, but obviously I had strong bias to do so
since it helped me cope).
To those who do believe in Out of Body Experiences, is it possible that that was one of them or are they different things entirely? Is it possible to
have an out of body experience and see your dog that died a few nights before, but not intentionally
? Can involuntary OOBE occur? Keep in mind
that while I say 'involuntary' I was not AGAINST it occurring and was very happy to see the 'ghost' of my dog and to play with her for what seemed
like a whole day from what I remember right now writing this. It was definitely a helpful dream as far as coping with death went but I am very
skeptical of supernatural ideas and have mostly concluded that it was just my brains way of helping me cope because I was so incredibly distraught. It
wasn't even my first experience with death (a friend of mine had died of Cystic Fibrosis not too long before that, this probably catapulted why I was
so emotional since it seemed like everyone I loved was dying at the time).
I'm very curious of the thoughts of both skeptics of Out of Body Experience and Believers.