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Originally posted by jeffiriff
Yeah thanks AZ. Now you are going to force the migration of illegals into your surrounding states. How very American.....
You see, the Arizona legislation violates the Constitution.
It infringes upon the rights of Arizona's citizens.
This is the first step towards a national ID card. How so many people can't see that is beyond me.
Originally posted by AlternateEnding
It is about diversion and division. Get a grip!
Originally posted by eyeswilldeceive
Its happening all over the world,we are being flooded by third world people everywhere because they can't sort their own countries out,the uk is now a third world ghetto
Originally posted by Phedreus
Several responses to my thread have brought up the argument that this law leads us down the abhorrent path to a police state, with the “Gestapo” stopping anyone they choose and reciting the infamous phrase “papers please”. Let’s look at that argument for a moment. The argument can be made that this part of the law is no more onerous in this respect than current state and federal regulations that exist. Let’s take my day yesterday as an example.
My wife, son and I went shopping for my son a new car. At the lot we found one we wanted to test drive. “Why of course sir, no problem, “papers please!” And both I and my son had to produce our driver’s licenses. At the bank where we went to get the loan for the car, once again “papers please” was the catchword and We were required to produce papers; only in this case it went even further, by requiring us to produce ss numbers, bank account statements, and credit history. After buying the new car we went to get it registered and once again the ubiquitous phrase “papers please” was again uttered by the state, requiring that we prove residence in the county and state. Finally, going out to dinner to celebrate our purchase and the fact that we had once again successfully negotiated the maze of plutocratic paperwork and regulations, we order drinks. Alas we had not heard the last of the Gestapo that day. “So you would like a drink, very well, but first, I see that your son looks quite young, “papers please”.
It seems that we are asked for our papers quite a lot these days, and not just to officers of the state, In fact it seems to me that the only time I don’t have to produce my papers is when I go to vote!
Originally posted by NumberNone
reply to post by K J Gunderson
KJ - What an incredible job the Federal government is doing on unemployment too! Siphoning more money from the private sector so that we can fill potholes, paint military bases, and put solar panels on government buildings. I'm sure my grandkids will thank me someday for putting them in debt for all these great works.
If you want to twist the comments thats your right but overall the frustration is that the Federal Government wants to have a hand in everything except the one thing that it really needs to be concerned with, protect our borders.
This week it was reported that the Federal Government wants black boxes (ie...tracking devices in every car) and a National ID card for every citizen...yet the very thought of asking someone that can't speak English for proof of citizenship after committing a crime is 'misguided'. I wanna puke.
Originally posted by K J Gunderson
All of your examples are of circumstances where you are conducting private business fully aware that you will either have to produce said items to enjoy that busines or...
and this is important...
HAVE THE RIGHT TO WALK AWAY.
Originally posted by Alora
Ok then, if I get pulled over for suspicion of a traffic violation I will get asked for my "papers". What happens if I don't have them?
I get punished. I will get punished and I will STILL have to provide my papers to a court so that I don't get punished even more.
I suppose I can walk away from the cop or from the courts, but then the punishment will be even worse.
I can understand that it will be an annoyance to those LEGAL citizens of the country who are or just look Mexican, but produce your ID and get on with your life.
Originally posted by daddio
You are absolutely correct in this statement. People here DO NOT understand the 10 Amendment at all. ALL POLITICAL POWER IS INHERENT IN THE PEOPLE. That is you and I. I WILL NEVER show any documentation I may have to show I am an AMERICAN. I have no drivers license as YOU DO NOT NEED ONE. I AM NOT a person, corporate fiction, entity, individual, nor any other "fictional entity" which the federal or state government may label me to enforce ILLEGAL regulations or code and ordinance UPON MY SOVEREIGN BEING!!!! I am a flesh and blood living soul!!!! Period.
This is exactly what TPTB wanted all along, a way to enforce the NATIONAL ID CARD and implement the installation of computer chips in all of us.
Problem, REACTION and then THEIR solution. Gullible idiots here!!!
Sad day when people who call themselves Americans can so easily be manipulated into believing this garbage.
YOU ARE NOT A U.S. citizen, I wll scream that at the top of my lungs!!! Wake the hell up already for everyones sake, you are buying into the scam hook, line and sinker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And if this is about paying taxes, I don't do that either, learn about your trust account, you are all millionaires and don't even know it!!
The Redemption Manual, read the damn thing!!!!!