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Originally posted by RedskinWally
The bill not only effects Illegals but natives also. Not many natives have the documentation to really prove they are US citizens.
Either because they do not know where to get the documents or simply because they don't have a way to get them (i.e. transportation). The Navajo Nation is the biggest reservation in Arizona and the US altogether. I'm just wondering how many natives are going to be "accidently" deported for not having ID, SS cards, or any other form of US documentation.
Would you be happy if the bill was for anyone who might be Neo Nazi?
1. I am only a simple man. I say as I see it. Spare me your intellectual BS. Simplicity is best used in this forum to break down complex issues so that all may understand issues better.
Black is black and white is white. Laws can be legislated if the political will is there and backed by the people. Businesses are not a 'people'. People direct businesses UNDER the law. And people are responsible for laws enacted.
For all your vitrol, you had evaded answering my question:- Is it legal to hire illegal immigrants?
Are you afraid of the truth and make yourself a fool for the honest answer that will bring?
Originally posted by drwizardphd
You see, the Arizona legislation violates the Constitution.
It infringes upon the rights of Arizona's citizens. (Note: not the rights of the illegals, that's another discussion altogether.)
Basically it requires Arizona's citizens to carry identification that proves citizenship, or face potential arrest. Simply put, it is your right as an American citizen to simply be in public without ID. Under the context of the Arizona law, that right has effectively been nullified.
Lawyers are often disliked and I can see why.
Rather than to pursue an endless debate with you and your continued evasion by giving me indirect answers, then let me put it to you, keeping it simple:-
In your view, it is legal to hire a known illegal, because
Another view of yours " Laws are not legislated through the will of the people"
I am afraid I am not dealing with a simpleton.
This is ignorance of the highest level and no where can I ever, in my stupidest moment reach such atmospheric heights and best leave you to your delusions. Pointless to continue on when even the basics are not there.
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
The issue is the POWERS that is given to the GESTAPO, to check on anyone, anytime, anywhere, documents of which must satisfy the officer, of his whim, checking on you, or you can be held for further questioning if he is not satisfied, with no limit to the number of times he wants to check on you, any minute, any hour, any day.
Sure, blame everything to illegal immigrants. Everyone who commits a crime is an illegal immigrant. Citizens do not commit crimes. They do not steal or rob or murder. Crime had never been a problem in the USA till the immigrants came along. It's only the wetbacks.
After finishing with them, and there's still crime, lets blame the blacks, jews and chinese. If still does not solve the problem, lets blame the newer white immigrants. If still does not solve the problem, lets blame the democrats. If still does not solve the problem, lets blame the republicans. If still does not solve the problem, lets blame the right wingers then the left wingers, then the moderates.
Originally posted by jaffo
reply to SeekerofTruth
So...is it also fascist and evil when a police officer has you pulled over for a traffic stop (i.e. under suspicion of having committed a crime just like being in the Country unlawfully) and the officer requests that you provide identification, proof that you own the vehicle, and proof that you have insurance?
The New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles.
From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips.
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Originally posted by Evisscerator
Your ignorance of Constitutional Law is obvious. US Citizens have their papers on them (drivers license, social security card, bank cards, other forms of ID).
An illegal won't have any of these. Get real. If a cop stops me and asks me for my proof of insurance and registration, I have it to provide to him. He also gets my drivers license which proves I am a Texan, an American and have the right to be here.
Originally posted by mishigas
Nothing. Nothing at all. And it is inevitable that some citizens will be stopped on occasion. But it should only affect you once, since after that, you will know what papers keep you moving on down the road.
There are countries on earth were you can have your passport and other papers on you and still be thrown into jail on a whim. We are not one of them, nor is this law a step in that direction.