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The real power in the world is SAUDI ARABIA and they are causing the Islamization of the World.

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posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 11:49 PM
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The ones who rules the US are elected by the US citizens, so they get what they voted for. There is a politician in UK that admitted that is only purpose of being elected was to help the islamist agenda to succeed in that country. The proofs are out there!




posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by FalselyFlagged

Originally posted by AbuMusaab
Do not take anything FalselyFlagged says to be representative of Islam. He is obviously a hadith rejector and this has been refuted a million times, so I will not do it here. But if he rejects hadith then he is not a Muslim.

FalselyFlagged, it's the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Not just the Qur'an. Don't call yourself a Muslim and stop pretending to represent Islam, especially to all these non-Muslims.

[edit on 30-4-2010 by AbuMusaab]


Who said I am a representative? I am just voicing my opinion, just like you. You are not a representative for the entire 1.3 billion people either, as they cant even agree amongst themselves.

So much for your "brotherly love", as you are quick to claim that I am not even Muslim...

And I did not say that I reject all hadith or sunna. I believe in the ones that are congruent with the teachings of the Quran.

Do you personally believe that every single hadith is true? EVERY SINGLE ONE? Even ones that are against Quranic teachings? Even ones that contradict others?


There is a science for hadith. I accept the ones that are known with strong narrations. Sahih for example are agreed upon and authentic. Do you reject Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim?



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 11:53 PM
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True. Hardly a choice when your options represent the exact same people that pull the strings all together.

Edit.
There is also alot of speculation about Obama and him being a muslim.

[edit on 4/30/2010 by Sinter Klaas]



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by Trublue

Originally posted by AbuMusaab
Do not take anything FalselyFlagged says to be representative of Islam. He is obviously a hadith rejector and this has been refuted a million times, so I will not do it here. But if he rejects hadith then he is not a Muslim.

FalselyFlagged, it's the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Not just the Qur'an. Don't call yourself a Muslim and stop pretending to represent Islam, especially to all these non-Muslims.



Thank you for coming out and saying that.

It seems FalselyFlagged is only here to inflame.


Sorry that anything you don't agree with means "inflaming".

You're the one posting videos of Muhammad with a ticking time-bomb on his head, and cheering for Greert Wilder, who says that building new mosques should be banned in Europe. I would consider that to be more inflaming...



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 11:55 PM
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Sorry, it's just a tool of the Vatican/NWO. The Vatican created Islam. Islam is managed as are leaders in Islamic countries who are often Shriners. Islam is used like the Masonry to facilitate control and conquest. Ultimately there are families behind the Vatican like the black nobility. They could pull the plug on oil any time they wanted to but for now, oil facilitates the spread of this form of infiltration and control.



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 12:03 AM
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I laugh at some of the wild conspiracy theories. The Vatican created Islam?

Please.

You lose your dignity with such madness.

FalselyFlagged:

What I have been saying is not my opinion. Practicing Islam is not based on your own opinions. You cannot take what you like and leave what you do not as the "Cafeteria Catholics" do.

I will hold back from making statements about you unless you say something that is openly kufr, insha'Allah. Allah knows best.

[edit on 1-5-2010 by AbuMusaab]



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by AbuMusaab


There is a science for hadith. I accept the ones that are known with strong narrations. Sahih for example are agreed upon and authentic. Do you reject Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim?


Science is not a good use of the word when applied to hearsay written down hundreds of years after the fact, with no eye witnesses.

Just because I don't believe Muhammad SAAW was a child molester, that means I'm not Muslim?

That's ridiculous. I don't believe or not believe in entire collections. I judge hadith individually by their own merits.

[edit on 1-5-2010 by FalselyFlagged]



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 12:11 AM
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And I do so believe that Obama is a puppet of the islamist agenda. But hey! What can I do about it since I am not a US citizen. I watch what t is going on my side of the border. But here in my province, since a vast majority of the people do not know a single word in english, they are condemned to get their info on french tv station who do not talk about these things. Quebecers, in general, are more interested by local politics,arts and sports. I have to admit that people of my province are narrow minded........ There's a hint for muslim for easy preys.....



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 12:21 AM
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About Geert Wilders.

I disagree with most of his ideas mostly because he passes personal boundary of my ideas on how to treat fellow human beings.

He is making a point tho.
We have a small group of muslim youth that is causing a lot of trouble.
Along with a lot of 'so called' positive discrimination.

My understanding is that its our own fault. We have become a cuddle nation where problems are solved with problems and aggression with a talk instead of authority.
But the majority of mostly non- muslims are effected by actions that are a result of a small group of trouble makers that are blown up in the media.

We are home to a group of fundamental christians who force their ways down our troth. Yet they are included as government party.

The problems we see are problems that any country experience with a large group of immigrants.

My neighborhood is full with muslims and I have never had any problems with any muslim because they were Muslim.

I can even count a few of them as my friends and I'll turn to them when I'm in need of advice or just to have a good time.

My experience is that Islam has a number of very good lessons to learn.
Personally I've never noticed any signs of hate. But I could be lucky and just only know some very cool people.



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by FalselyFlagged

Originally posted by AbuMusaab


There is a science for hadith. I accept the ones that are known with strong narrations. Sahih for example are agreed upon and authentic. Do you reject Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim?


Science is not a good use of the word when applied to hearsay written down hundreds of years after the fact, with no eye witnesses.

Just because I don't believe Muhammad SAAW was a child molester, that means I'm not Muslim?

That's ridiculous. I don't believe or not believe in entire collections. I judge hadith individually by their own merits.

[edit on 1-5-2010 by FalselyFlagged]


Then you are severely misguided. What grants you the knowledge to be able to judge between hadith? Are you a Hafiz? Do you have your own Madhab?

Doing what you do will only lead you to follow your own vain desires. May Allah (swt) guide you.



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by FalselyFlagged
 


About Geert Wilders.

I disagree with most of his ideas mostly because he passes personal boundary of my ideas on how to treat fellow human beings.

He is making a point tho.
We have a small group of muslim youth that is causing a lot of trouble.
Along with a lot of 'so called' positive discrimination.

My understanding is that its our own fault. We have become a cuddle nation where problems are solved with problems and aggression with a talk instead of authority.


It is possible we were brainwashed into our inability to see clearly and make sensible decisions.

Here is a couple of videos which in a way make the statement "We lost the cold war true."

One of the objects of the cold war was to brain wash the peoples our nations into destroying themselves.

Holding views of the world that are totally self destructive and allowing things to happen that will bring about our very destruction.

As you will know, many people do indeed now have a brainwashed view of the world.

Here is how this came about...

Ex-KGB Uri Bezmenov On Ideological Indoctrination - Part 1



Ex-KGB Uri Bezmenov On Ideological Indoctrination - Part 2




posted on May, 1 2010 @ 12:37 AM
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Quebec huh...

You do know that Canada's territories are part of the common wealth and queen Elisabeth or the queen of England is also your queen.
Who is actualy part of a German royal family called Guelph ( they changed it to Windsor to make it sound more English.) Who are part of the 'so called black nobility where also the Dutch royal family is part of.
Where Willem the 3th comes from who was King of England, Scotland and Ireland once.Because of his Free Mason link with Phillip the 2th. The man that is the cause for Free Masonry getting accepted and one of a number of grand masters of the order. These same Free Masons that founded America.

Just saying that those who rule the US also rule Canada.



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 12:39 AM
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Divide and conquer.

The oldest trick in the book.



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by AbuMusaab

Originally posted by FalselyFlagged

Originally posted by AbuMusaab


There is a science for hadith. I accept the ones that are known with strong narrations. Sahih for example are agreed upon and authentic. Do you reject Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim?


Science is not a good use of the word when applied to hearsay written down hundreds of years after the fact, with no eye witnesses.

Just because I don't believe Muhammad SAAW was a child molester, that means I'm not Muslim?

That's ridiculous. I don't believe or not believe in entire collections. I judge hadith individually by their own merits.

[edit on 1-5-2010 by FalselyFlagged]


Then you are severely misguided. What grants you the knowledge to be able to judge between hadith? Are you a Hafiz? Do you have your own Madhab?

Doing what you do will only lead you to follow your own vain desires. May Allah (swt) guide you.


The Quran commands us to use the intelligence and reasoning that Allah gave us, and not to believe blindly in the beliefs of our parents / clerics.

Nuff said.



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by St-Patrick
 


Quebec huh...

You do know that Canada's territories are part of the common wealth and queen Elisabeth or the queen of England is also your queen.
Who is actualy part of a German royal family called Guelph ( they changed it to Windsor to make it sound more English.) Who are part of the 'so called black nobility where also the Dutch royal family is part of.
Where Willem the 3th comes from who was King of England, Scotland and Ireland once.Because of his Free Mason link with Phillip the 2th. The man that is the cause for Free Masonry getting accepted and one of a number of grand masters of the order. These same Free Masons that founded America.

Just saying that those who rule the US also rule Canada.


In 1982 the Canada act was sign: Check this dude



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 01:05 AM
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The Constitution Act, 1982 was signed into law by Elizabeth II as Queen of Canada on April 17, 1982 on Parliament Hill in Ottawa. Queen Elizabeth's constitutional powers over Canada were not affected by the Act, and she remains Queen and Head of State of Canada. Canada has complete sovereignty as an independent country and the Queen's role as monarch of Canada is separate from her role as the British monarch or the monarch of any of the other Commonwealth realms.


Something tells me the queen still has something to say.
It would be an illusion to believe it's merely a decorative function she still being queen and all.



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by FalselyFlagged

The Quran commands us to use the intelligence and reasoning that Allah gave us, and not to believe blindly in the beliefs of our parents / clerics.

Nuff said.


You do not have the knowledge to make your own Ijtihad and choose your own hadith. Yes, you are commanded to use your intellect and reasoning to decide whether you believe in Allah (swt) or not.

If you do, then you follow the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Messenger (saw). The Sunnah was preserved with the authentic ahadith. These ahadith were saved for us by the Sahaba. It is not optional and you certainly are not qualified to judge between them.

You reject that which your kuffar friends would find objectionable but Allah (swt) finds your rejection of His Messenger more objectionable.

The Qur'an 4:59, [O you who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger and
those of you who are in authority; and if you have a dispute concerning any
matter, refer it to Allah and His Messenger if you believe in Allah and the
Last Day; that is best and more suitable to the end.]

OBEY THE MESSENGER! You are not doing so by rejecting hadith. You are severely misguided.

Do you know better to judge what hadith are authentic than Imam Bukhari who actually met some Sahaba? Certainly not. You only follow your own desires.

And now I will be as cool as you are, and say "'nuff said."

[edit on 1-5-2010 by AbuMusaab]



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 01:16 AM
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Canada has complete sovereignty as an independent country and the Queen's role as monarch of Canada is separate from her role as the British monarch or the monarch of any of the other Commonwealth realms.

Her Majesty has an honorary role in our country. She has no power in Canada. Just like the Philadelphia Phlies mascot in the MLB, the mascot does not have power over the batting order. I find it cool to to know that a real life Queen is caring about us... But that is another story.



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 01:17 AM
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see even if we all became muslim right now islam would still cause wars. just look at your self bickering with each other over crap instead of staying on topic you denounce each other as not real muslims and thats the problem. how long do you think it would take to start a war if you each lead a country. i`m guessing not to long

any one who trys to spread the word of god is nuts unless you have personally met him your just doing another MANS bidding



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 01:23 AM
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Originally posted by AbuMusaab

Originally posted by Trublue
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Although I appreciate your honesty here and the ability to talk calmly and be rational with this whole subject, I must say I really can't understand your allegiance to such a religion or to Mohammad - we are all aware by now that Mohammad was very brutal man who committed hideous murders on our people and he was a dirty old man who after the age of fifty took a six year as his bride and had full sexual intercourse with her when she was only nine.

Many of the Arab nations still hold the view that this is OK and their treatment of woman is despicable and I don't think anybody can have respect for that or have any wish for such a thing to be made law in our own lands.

You have honour killings and other stone age practices which do not belong in the world today, they are simply backward.
[edit on 30-4-2010 by Trublue]


I will go through your points, but first I would like to say to stop using the words of ex-Muslims. You do not need their words to make your points. If you need their words, then you are just allowing them to manipulate you.

First, for the most common charge of pedophilia. In tribal societies, families would choose husbands for their daughters based on certain qualities of the man. Some would choose based on wealth, or connections. Some would choose based on character and good morals. Muhammad was chosen for this reason. If a marriage is not consummated within a certain time frame it is considered annulled, but since she was so young, they waited until 9 (it is believed) and instead of intercourse they did 'thighing' to consummate the marriage. Women of that time were not the like the women of today. My grandmother gave birth at 14 to my Aunt. And that was in the 1930s. It is not uncommon. Perhaps if we had better records of other people at that time, you would see it is not unusual. Aisha (ra), the wife in question, went on to become one the brightest and most knowledgeable scholars of Islam of all time after her husband's (saw) death. Most of what we know about the intimate details of life and best character for men AND for women come from her being in the presence of the prophet for almost all of her life. After Muhammad (saw) passed away, people came to her from all over to ask about things and she was basically an Islamic jurist at this point since she was so knowledgeable.

He was not a "brutal" man. That is only your clearly biased opinion, because although I came at you in a calm way, your reaction was only to launch some filthy insults at the Messenger of Allah (saw).

Honor killings are forbidden in Islam and explicitly so in the Qur'an and Sunnah (teachings of Muhammad preserved through ahadith, or traditions).

The punishment for fornication is 100 or 80 lashes (I forgot the number) and the punishment for adultery (cheating on your spouse) is death.

My wife was born in the west and although she came from an Islamic background, her brothers and sisters are mixed with religion (some practice and some don't). She chose to cover herself (before I ever met her). No one forced her. In actuality, it would have been easier for her to just abandon it and blend in.

If you would ask her, she would tell you this, "Stop trying to 'free' our women." I say the same to you. They do not want for themselves what the women in your society have gotten. That's why they are unhappy, depressed, constantly worried about their image...obsessed with clothes and makeup and acting like men.

And our men are not interested in becoming like your men. Meek, pathetic, effeminate, and sad. Obsessed with fornicating and indulging in vain pleasures such as intoxicants and foolish, risky behavior.

Islam IS a complete way of life, as you have mentioned before. Let us live it in peace in our land (by removing your support for corrupt governments, removing your troops from our land, etc.), or we will not let you enjoy peace either.

[edit on 30-4-2010 by AbuMusaab]


I am sorry it is taking me a while to get back to you - a lot is going on.

I really appreciate communicating with you because I believe you are a true and honest Muslim. You are not just trying to tell me what I want to hear, you are being honest even to the point of upsetting up with your honesty.

I am female I know a lot of people her assume I am male maybe the name I chose I don't know but anyway I am a woman. Not sure what difference that makes but it seems somehow right to mention it. Probably I am giving myself away as being female because I am letting out that this is really effecting me emotionally. I find this subject upsetting beyond words.

To be honest I am really scared for my family and my own survival and you may think why, well it is plainly obvious why - now I am not saying Muslims are all bad and it is them and not us - you have pointed out what our leaders and armies have done to your people and fair enough you are upset about that.

But what about the fact that my people have no land of their own - your people have the entire middle East and yet still you are not satisfied and you want to come and steal my homelands as well.

Do you realise that white christian people have no homelands of our own, all of them are being flooded with immigrants who are keen to our breed us and steal our lands and rub out our culture and even wipe us off the face of the Earth.

Now what could we possibly have done to make us deserve this fate?

I did you the honor of listening to the two video clips you put up but to me it was pure propaganda, he is telling them not to trust us but you are blatantly trying to steal our lands and even rub us out!!!




Racism is a disease. Nationalism is a disease. Hating those who hate Allah and His Messenger (saw) is an obligation and an article of faith. And harming them becomes a duty if they bring harm to you or support those that do.

"O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliyâ' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliyâ', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong doers and unjust)." (Al-Ma'idah 5:51)


Look at the above that you wrote ^^^

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