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The real power in the world is SAUDI ARABIA and they are causing the Islamization of the World.

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posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 09:11 PM
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reply to post by Trublue
 

The Sheeple are in such a state of shock that I would say
they have Stockholm syndrome. It is a very real psychological
condition. They have come to identify with their enemy.
The reality of the situation is so disturbing,
and so frightening that they cannot accept it. To accept
that reality a person would immediately be plunged into a
profound state of despair and grief. Eventually they would
go through all the stages of grief. They do not want
to do that and so they resist believing what seems
obvious.
It is not easy to wake up people to a nightmare.
Good luck.
5 percent of the people think,5 percent think they think, and
the other 90 percent would rather die than think.-Mark Twain


[edit on 30-4-2010 by RRokkyy]




posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 09:13 PM
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Dude maybe it's time to realise the problem you see is not religion.

The problem is power and religion is merely a tool to gain power.



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 09:14 PM
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Bismillahir rahmanir rahim,

Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

I read your posts and I must say I find them very interesting. Many of the things that you say are happening are indeed happening, but perhaps the conclusion you have reached is a bit far-fetched. The House of Saud is indeed taking on the "missionary" role for Islam. They are the not the only ones, but it is their wealth which enables them to do so in such a fashion.

Iran would like this role, but I do not even consider the Shia to be Muslims and most of the Islamic world would not either (the knowledgeable ones anyway).

What the West doesn't see is that with the help of the kaffir Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, you took away our Islamic leadership: The Caliphate, and you subjected the majority of our land to colonialism, and now neo-colonialism.

The only ones who did not get colonized were the Turks who fought for indepedence before they could be colonized. Ataturk led that fight and immediately after his victory tried to turn Turkey as far away from Islam as he possibly could get away with. All this led to a sort of suppression of free Islamic life for many decades in all of the Islamic world.

We were given tyrants and dictators who slaughtered the religious and trained their own "imams" who perverted our faith by changing things and watering it down to please their western masters. This does not mean all of our scholars went bad, the good ones were constantly persecuted but still managed to pass knowledge to their students and make sure the Light was never extinguished. Also, the fact that:

"Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur'ân) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)." (Al-Hijr 15:9)

means that our texts were not corrupted. One of the blessings of the Arabic language and the people's ability for poetry at the time of the Revelation made this possible with Allah's Help.

We can say the awakening began in the 1950s, especially after the establishment of the state of Israel. It made the Muslims realize how far we had fallen since World War I and the abolition of the caliphate. Add to this the 1967 war and the humiliating defeat of the pathetic and corrupt Arab governments showed that no matter how badly we outmatched our enemies, our lack of faith and Islam made us the losers.

The two generations that preceded, my grandparents being born right around or before the abolition of the caliphate, made them grow up in an environment where Islam was to be feared by the intructions of their western masters.

9/11 was a wakeup call to the whole world. The war between us did not start with 9/11, but 9/11 was a deafening wake up call.

It forced everyone to choose sides. For the West, they could either become Muslims and fight on the side of the Muslims, or they should fight against the Muslims and try to destroy Islam. For the Muslims, it was a question of piety, faith, and the correct aqee'dah (belief). Do you truly believe? Or are you just someone who calls himself a Muslim and lives the life of a disbeliever?

This has led to my generation (born in late 70s/early 80s) and the next generation (those entering their 20s) into learning the religion that their parents and grandparents had abandoned. These are the next generation of those who will fight for their religion, and they will be the ones who bring it back to how it should be.

The House of Saud is not that generation. What they do is only to preserve their power. If they did not do it, they would not be able to hold the support they have, and would turn even more of the Muslims into willing Jihadists. It is their duty to spread Islam, to build mosques around the world, to print the Qur'aan and spread it, and to do their daw'ah (preaching).

What they do not realize is that the next generation that they are helping to create, with also the many new Europeans and Americans who are becoming Muslims, are going to be the ones who come to topple the Suadi regime, insha'Allah. Because the Saudi's, by allowing non-Muslims on the peninsula, including the American military, have betrayed Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him).

Your society is not compatible with the Laws that God has prescribed. We do not accept immorality, usury (interest), and following vain desires. Your society is leading to humanity's ultimate destruction. If you do not believe that, we cannot help you.

By submitting to The One God, you truly achieve freedom and peace. By not doing so, you are a slave to man, and your own desires.

Islam has been under attack since it's inception. And we will be under attack until Judgement Day.

The Noble Prophet Mohammed (peace & blessings be upon him) said, ‘There will always be a group of people upon the path of Allah, overpowering their enemies until the Order Of Allah comes and Isa alaihis salaam (Jesus - peace be upon him) descends.’

Our Jihad is not just fighting, although that is our duty and the most important, but coming to your land and becoming citizens of it, spreading our religion, using our numbers to change your laws, and soften the ground for our brothers who will follow.

You will either become a Muslim and enjoy your life by preparing for the Hereafter, or you will remain in disbelief and destroy yourself while trying to destroy us. Allah, subhana wa ta'ala, has left us with choices.

But you will not listen to logic. As Shaykh Osama bin Laden said:

“If it was possible to carry our messages to you by words, we wouldn't have carried them to you by planes."

[edit on 30-4-2010 by AbuMusaab]



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 09:19 PM
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reply to post by AbuMusaab
 


What about the choice not to choose either sides ?



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by FalselyFlagged

BTW, there are millions of Christians in the middle east... Look at the Coptic Christians in Egypt for example, they have some of the oldest Christian churches and all religions are equally protected. They take religion very seriously and welcome Christians and Jews, at least at the policy level.


What a bare faced lie that was.

One quick trip to Google shows you up.

www.persecution.org...

People really should watch this video which shows how the Muslims have treated Christians in the past - ripping babies out of their arms and smashing their heads against rocks.

Killing everyone except the young girls who were taken as Arab brides or sex slaves and they castrating the young boys and used them as slaves!


Islamic Crusades 1: The Occupation of Constantinople









[edit on 1-5-2010 by Trublue]



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by AbuMusaab


Our Jihad is not just fighting, although that is our duty and the most important, but coming to your land and becoming citizens of it, spreading our religion, using our numbers to change your laws, and soften the ground for our brothers who will follow.

You will either become a Muslim and enjoy your life by preparing for the Hereafter, or you will remain in disbelief and destroy yourself while trying to destroy us. Allah, subhana wa ta'ala, has left us with choices.

But you will not listen to logic. As Shaykh Osama bin Laden said:

“If it was possible to carry our messages to you by words, we wouldn't have carried them to you by planes."



Well I didn't expect to get a straight out admission from you guys.

Thanks for the confirmation!

[edit on 30-4-2010 by Trublue]



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by AbuMusaab
 


What about the choice not to choose either sides ?


Yes, good question. There are many who will not choose a side. They will not try to hurt Muslims (personally) and they will not hinder one from Allah's Path, but they will also decide not aid Muslims, or become Muslims themselves.

This is a choice. And if you heart is totally sealed from Guidance, this choice would be better for you. And in a true Islamic society (of which no official one exists today) you would be protected and you would not be forced to become a Muslim, be you male or female, you would have to dress modest, and follow the basic public safety and morality rules, but your worship would be up to you (unless it is public idol worship).

However, by living in a country who has declared war on Islam and it's followers, or who is engaged in acts to harm Muslims and their Deen (religion), there is danger.

Just as their is danger for any person living in a land populated by Muslims today. A Christian in Iraq has an equal chance of being killed by a drone strike as does a Shia or a Muslim.

What do we want?

We want the right to "self-determination" as you call it.
We want to be free to topple our corrupt non-Islamic governments and those who do not rule by Shari'ah.
We want all foreign military out of our land.
We want to re-establish the Caliphate, and unite the Muslim world.
We want Shar'iah in our land and true Islamic government.

THEN:

If you do not harm us, even the most "extreme" amongst us would not harm you.

Simple.

[edit on 30-4-2010 by AbuMusaab]



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by RRokkyy
reply to post by Trublue
 

The Sheeple are in such a state of shock that I would say
they have Stockholm syndrome. It is a very real psychological
condition. They have come to identify with their enemy.
The reality of the situation is so disturbing,
and so frightening that they cannot accept it. To accept
that reality a person would immediately be plunged into a
profound state of despair and grief. Eventually they would
go through all the stages of grief. They do not want
to do that and so they resist believing what seems
obvious.
It is not easy to wake up people to a nightmare.
Good luck.



Yes I notice it every day.

People are in very dead denial.

Edit:

Oh dear look at my accidental spelling mistake!

Was that a Freudian slip?

Of course I meant to write "deep denial."

[edit on 30-4-2010 by Trublue]



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by Trublue

Well I didn't expect to get a straight out admission from you guys.

Thanks for the confirmation!

[edit on 30-4-2010 by Trublue]


What did you expect? The West began this hundreds of years ago with their underground missionary work in Islamic countries. Making fake charities and fake schools all in hopes of taking away the Islam of population.

The West is abandoning their faith. The new generations in the West are becoming increasingly Athiest. We are providing Islam as an option. And more and more of your citizens become Muslims, their rights need to be respected.

Meanwhile, we are dealing with our own people, many who have grown in the confused generations. Soon, many of them will be passing on, and the new generations will be raising their kids with Islamic ideals and living.

Our kids will be better Muslims than we were insha'Allah.

Islam is the future of earth, insha'Allah. Why fight against the One who Created you?



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by Trublue

Originally posted by FalselyFlagged

BTW, there are millions of Christians in the middle east... Look at the Coptic Christians in Egypt for example, they have some of the oldest Christian churches and all religions are equally protected. They take religion very seriously and welcome Christians and Jews, at least at the policy level.


What a bare faced lie that was.

One quick trip to Google shows you up.



Bold faced lie?? How would you know? Because of a bogus youtube video? I can make a youtube video saying Elvis is still alive, is it now a fact? Look at the numbers:

en.wikipedia.org...


Today, Christians make out around 10-20% of a population of over 80 million Egyptians,[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] though estimates vary (see Religion in Egypt).

Around 95% of Egyptian Christians belong to the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria[8][9][12] an Oriental Orthodox Church. The Coptic Church constitute the largest Christian community in the Middle East[13] and has a followers of approximately 10 to 15 million worldwide. Affiliated sister churches are located in Armenia, Ethiopia, Eritrea, India, Lebanon and Syria.



Check the footnotes! 10-20% of 80 million equals MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS IN EGYPT ALONE, by their own numbers! Who's the liar now?


I know an Egyptian girl that lives in Alexandria, she was friends with lots of Christians growing up, and lives right next to a Coptic church.

You are the liar.

[edit on 30-4-2010 by FalselyFlagged]

[edit on 30-4-2010 by FalselyFlagged]



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 09:44 PM
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Our lands are being conquered by infiltration.



The infiltration goes right to the very highest levels.


In these two interviews by Bill Whittle of PJTV, conducted in January of this year, you will hear some things that you won’t believe, things that you never thought would happen within our government. He interviews two whistle blowers, both who remain anonymous and have intimate knowledge of the the inner workings of our national security.

One is a former analyst in the Department of Defense and the other is a former special agent with the FBI. You will hear things like the fact that the Muslim brotherhood has been here since the 60’s and have been preparing for Jihad in America by placing groups on every college campus. You will hear that the FBI consults with groups like CAIR, an extremist front group for Hamas, to train their FBI agents on how to deal with the threat of radical Islam. And there’s so much more.

Again, I know this sounds absolutely absurd, but just give it a listen. These are credentialed people giving this information to us because they want us to know the truth. Listen to both videos, because the information they uncover just gets worse and worse to the very end. This is honestly a road that I would love for Glenn Beck to go down, but I fear it is too much for even him. I look forward to your comments:

www.therightscoop.com...


The Islamic Infiltration, Part 1: Inside Our Government, Armed With Our Secrets (PJTV)




The Islamic Infiltration, Part 2: From Influence to Insurrection (PJTV)




posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by AbuMusaab

Originally posted by Trublue

Well I didn't expect to get a straight out admission from you guys.

Thanks for the confirmation!

[edit on 30-4-2010 by Trublue]


What did you expect?


Somehow a confession is even more spooky that just trying to put the pieces together and see if they fit.

I was not quite really for a confession -

I wonder if others on this board were?

[edit on 30-4-2010 by Trublue]



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by Trublue


Our lands are being conquered by infiltration.



The infiltration goes right to the very highest levels.


You ever notice that all of your "sources" require some biased opinion on youtube?

If youtube makes it a fact, well then I guess its true that Elvis is still alive:



[edit on 30-4-2010 by FalselyFlagged]



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 09:57 PM
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I'm happy to hear that there are still normal people in the world.

And if it helps.
I think you are right. Armies have to leave the counries they occupie.
Its none of their business. If they didn't manipulate in the first place in the past. They wouldn't even have a reason to be there.

But as I said before. Religion is used as a tool for control.

Your misery, mine and the rest of the world have nothing to do with you or me. They are all about those pulling the strings.

We can only stay true to our selves and our faiths trying to avoid to be manipulated in to roles we don't belong in.

Thank you.
Be well.



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by FalselyFlagged


You ever notice that all of your "sources" require some biased opinion on youtube?



Give it up someone from your religion has already confessed in great educated detail for us all to read.







[edit on 30-4-2010 by Trublue]



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 10:04 PM
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You may not like this, but the fact that Muslims are flooding into your lands is actually your fault. I should explain you say? Sure.

By propping up these awful un-Islamic governments all over the Islamic world, and forcing us to live in unjust societies, your society, in comparison, seems favorable. My parents came to the West and I was born in the West, and I have returned to their country to fight to win the hearts and minds of the next generation so they grow up knowing what Islam is, knowing who their Creator is, and how to worship, and how to live a moral life with dignity and respect for themselves and others.

Anyway, my parents grew up in Turkey and never learned their religion. They called themselves Muslims, but they did not pray, they did not fast, they just avoided pork. That's all. They drank a small amount of alcohol once in a while, and enjoyed the casinos once in a while. No big deal to them.

The most important thing to them was career success, wealth, and children who will enjoy that wealth. They came to America for this. They were shocked by the moral degradation over the decades of the society in America, and eventually turned against it, although they have not left some of their bad habits and have no at all become practicing Muslims, just Muslims in name only. THat was their generation.

The Muslims coming today come for a different reason. They are coming because the corrupt tyrants in our countries do not let us actually practice a faith. In Turkey, I cannot get a job with a beard, and my daughter cannot go to school is she wears a hijab (head covering). In America, the opposite is true. I had a long beard and always found employment easily. So they are coming because we know we can practice our faith more easily in your country because of your "free religion, free speech, etc" laws. And because your countries are representative democracies, we will become those who are represented and thus be able to change the laws to conform more with Shar'iah, although we know we won't be able to totally have Shar'iah. And many Muslims in the West and the in our land fear Shar'iah thanks to all the anti-Muslim propaganda, which leaves us a lot of work to do.

For example, when some idiot throws acid on a girl for going to school, that is not Taliban and that is not Islam. Whoever did that is a criminal and should be beheaded, or at the very least, have the same done to him. And whoever says the Taliban live off the drug trade. When they came into power, they reduced opium production in Afghanistan to 3%, and told the farmers, plant something else, or we'll kill you. They planted something else. Now America is back in charge and opium is at record levels. And for propaganda purposes they blame the Taliban when in fact American soldiers are actually protecting poppy fields to gain the trust of the locals.

If we actually have our Caliphate, and decent Islamic rules in our own land, we would not bother coming to yours. But if you will not let us turn Syria into an Islamic state, then we will turn the UK into one, insha'Allah.



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by Trublue

Originally posted by FalselyFlagged


You ever notice that all of your "sources" require some biased opinion on youtube?



Give it up someone from your religion has already confessed in great educated detail for us all to read.



Are you seriously saying that the 1 random person on the internet unequivocally has the unquestionable authority to advocate the opinion for 1.3 BILLION people??

Are you out of your mind? I guess because Hitler was Christian that means that all Christians want to kill all Jews.

Or because the Uni-Bomber was Christians then all Christians want to blow up anyone using a computer.

Or because some Jews want all Muslims dead then ALL Jews want all Muslims dead.


Give it up. Just admit that you are a Xenophobe that hates Islam with a passion and you search for hours daily for tiny snippets from the world that agree with your bigoted and simplistic world view.

You are obviously a victim of the MSM and hollywood propaganda... Guess what. Osama didn't even do 9/11. It was an inside job. I can't name one terrorist act that Islam has done in the US... Can you?

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posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by Sinter Klaas


I'm happy to hear that there are still normal people in the world.

And if it helps.
I think you are right. Armies have to leave the counries they occupie.
Its none of their business. If they didn't manipulate in the first place in the past. They wouldn't even have a reason to be there.


You should also realize that all the ones who are waging Jihad are of the same mindset, only they believe you will never let us live in peace, so therefore the fighting will always be mandatory. For over 1500 years, they have been right. Prove them wrong, and peace is yours.



[edit on 30-4-2010 by AbuMusaab]



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 10:08 PM
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Other important videos from Ex Muslims.

They tell the inside story ...








Son of Hamas Leader: The God of Islam Suffers from Split Personality; Muhammad - a False Prophet




posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 10:12 PM
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Robert Spencer is on the forefront of exposing this whole agenda, what he has to say is well worth taking the time to watch.

The Truth About Muhammad - Robert Spencer (1 of 7)





















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