Originally posted by Trublue

Trying to throw off any bad press that Islam might get keep the agenda hidden?

You have met your match here - I know a hell of a lot and better yet have the video evidence!.

Lol. Alhamdulillah. You are being consumed by it. Years of collecting? Wow.

Well, now that we've established the problem, we're gonna have to come up with some solutions. Want to work on these together?

[edit on 2-5-2010 by AbuMusaab]

Originally posted by AbuMusaab

Originally posted by Trublue

Trying to throw off any bad press that Islam might get keep the agenda hidden?

You have met your match here - I know a hell of a lot and better yet have the video evidence!.

Lol. Alhamdulillah. You are being consumed by it. Years of collecting? Wow.

Well, now that we've established the problem, we're gonna have to come up with some solutions. Want to work on these together?

Years is not quite right so I changed that.

The collection as such is a few months old - mostly in bookmarks.

Oh and what wonderful help are you offering.

If it is that your lot wish to give up your quest for world domination and get out of lands, I am all ears.

When can you arrange such a thing.

We will cheer you on.

Originally posted by AbuMusaab
Female circumcision is not allowed in Islam. That is a cultural practice in some areas that was in practice before Islam. They did not leave it even though they were supposed to. Some stopped, some didn't and as time went on, they started doing it again.

Only men are supposed to be circumcised in Islam.

Do not take the misguided actions of some people from a Muslim place, or the words of non-Muslims attributing something to Islam, as "gospel."

It is NOT ISLAMIC to circumcise a woman.

It may not be Islamic but it is a MUSLIM practice.
Burning witches is not Christian but they did it.

Abu, my apologies I thought you practiced as your parents and that was my reference to the light, I also did not realize by the post I was referring to that you did not consider your parents as Muslim.

Age of consent is different in every state almost in the US even because they have found that the sex was consensual and the parents usually of the female was the ones whom pressed charges, so they have lowered the age of consent but at the same time also state clearly the max age of the male, most states are within a 5 year spread as long as the male is not over 21, so a 15 year old can sleep with a 20 year old male and so on.
And yes as history has shown us the line (old maid) relates to a time when if a 14 year old was not married or at least betrothed to another she was considered and old maid, so I do understand that.

The black man info I received wrongly then was from some of my friends whom have served in Iraq and Afghanistan the word you used Taqwa sounds like the word they used but it was second hand information I received and I am glad to here there is no racism regarding the Blackman.

Homosexuals are also spoken about in the Holy Bible and is considered a sin so no problem there either.

And yes it was the 72 virgins for martyrs that I was thinking of. I read a full article on it a long time ago could not remember the number thank you.

Actually I was not trying to insult you on the pedophiles I was giving a path of recruitment so my bad insult was not my intent.

So when there is a chant death to the infidels they are referring to time prior 1924, and this is what the so called radicals then have not excepted the abolishment?

I have no problem and do not disagree with you, we westerners should not be there nor should we be in any country pushing our own agendas I support no so called war even as a prior military personal beyond that of ww1 ww2, all others are conflicts we should have never gotten involved in period. And I so see us as the invaders in your country, just as I would see such actions here in mine.

I disagree a little bit with the cheap translation and the reading in Arabic statement; much like the Holy Bible most would consider the original text being that of Hebrew languages along with Arabic or Aramaic the language of Jesus Christ home land. People are not that stupid and can easily understand the regular English translation of the Holy Bible as well as the Koran, and just like Christians please do not use the excuses of its out of context, Christians have been playing that same card for ever.

As far as the fighting stopping our leaders I am with you there, but the fighting will never end, its been going on long before any American stepped foot on your country and will continue long after we are gone. And that saddens me when I think about that, because I believe no people should be at odds to the point of violence no matter the circumstances except in the aspect of self and family protection as we have the rite too keep and bear arms and I pity anyone my government or criminal to try and take my land or cause me or family harm they better bring a lot of body bags.

Some would say we didn’t even invade or start a war with you until 911, and it was your country that drew first blood. But I think we used that as an excuse to get the American people behind the war, but I am sure it goes way deeper than that and we could debate the reasons for ever and still not get at the truth, the only ones whom know the truth are the leaders involved and my suspicions would lead me to the U.N.

I also read trublues post below yours and have heard this many times as to declare a divorce or a temporary marriage to avoid the prosecution of adultery is this just more redirect or is there a truth behind it stated I find it often with Shi ites and other tribes?

Thank you for responding back to me, I am always trying to learn for the truth shall set us free.

Ok I just read some more of the latest post as I was responding to you, you have made my point that Shariah is here to be dominant and not to assimilate into our society and this is were the problem is, I am all for getting out of your country, but if you come to America our law of the land the Constitution must be above all else. If you can not except that, and understand that America will never bend to anything else be it Shariah or other, then do not come here period. We allow freedom of religion here we don’t care about your practices of such religion but do not with bloodshed expect to try and force Shariah or any other set of rules on our people. And do not expect not to be prosecuted in our courts if the laws of the state that you reside in be broken we will never allow like Europe did Shariah courts system to setup and take hold here, that is not a threat it is a promise. We welcome you here with open arms and grant you the freedom to practice but America is different made up of people from all over the world with different beliefs but all abide by our laws, be it speeding on the roadways expect a ticket or taken of a life expect to be charged according to our state laws were the offence took place, its that simple follow the rules as laid out to all citizens or leave and don’t become citizens not that hard.
Its this very way of thinking that you are having problems with your women here in America because here they are equal and quickly wake up to our way of life and realize they do not have to put up with abuse of any kind and that they have the rite to speak and to be heard as any man.

It would take the blood and life of every true blooded American for Shariah to ever become dominate here. I have lots of guns and ammo and will fight till my last breath against any outside or inside force that tries to undermine my founding fathers Constitution.

Ok just read more of your post the problem is you don’t stay in your own territory you try and conquer others and that is why America gets involved, if you played in your own sand box instead of using force to take over others there would be no problem.

Female circumcision is not a MUSLIM practice. It's a pagan practice that some people who became Muslims didn't stop doing. They are wrong and they will be punished. They should be educated about how Islam forbids it, and the doctors or families who perform it should be punished.

As for you TruBlue, I am not lying about anything, and I don't care what you buy.

If your leaders meet those conditions I mentioned, we will go to peace and focus on purging the disbelief in our lands (which is a huge problem, such as idiots doing female circumcision, or Sufi's who dance while they pray, or people committing indecent acts like Shi'as who believe in temporary marriage, which is nothing more than prostitution, we have to stop these people, but we can't until we stop you).

If your leaders do not desist, then we have to fight you until you are no longer a problem, which may be until you become Muslims or you are dead. Then we can focus on fixing the misguided amongst us.

Much of the misguidance amongst us is because we do not have a Khalifa (caliph), or a leader of all Muslims. Europe and Ataturk destroyed the Caliphate in 1924 and now we have all these making up their own crazy practices and making their own leaders who justify them, and we are all split up. With unity, we will stop the nonsense. But you will not allow us it, will you?

Why is there such a problem with homosexuality when it is a natural state for some people, doesn't personally affect you and other animals besides humans practice it as well, therefore reinforcing the natural, genetic trait?

Much like the Jewish faith they believe in Jesus the Messiah, but they are still waiting for the first coming, were the rest of us are waiting for his return. And I agree with you the bible has been rewritten often not so much changed but I think much left out would be more accurate.

? the bible story of Noah and the ark, do have this as well and what is the name of the main character in the Koran, I am aware of the same story being mentioned in other holy books all with a different main character, such as the tablets of Gilgamesh that pre dates the bible of the so called great flood.

I am understanding more about the differences in Muslim like Christianity, the ones in both practice different things from the same book, the salad bar effect as I like to call it. But does that make there practice wrong because they might chose the old ways before abolishment just like in Christianity, we too were allowed multiple wives in the old testament and was a common practice, then some one decided to change it so its just one man and one women. But because they follow the old ways does this make them wrong, and makes you rite just like in Christianity? Who is to say if it is written in the holy scriptures that is wrong, or out dated, I thought the purpose of the original text was so it could be followed to the letter and not open for interpretation like so many see it as. All the main characters in the bibles old testament had many wives, so why is it wrong today in our society? This is one I can never figure out because I am a believer in multiple spouses, not that my wife of 14 years would ever let me take a second wife lol but it is written to do so.

edited to add since i miss copied it lol,

My point is what makes you rite and the rest of Muslim wrong, if they are following the true text? Just because someone in 1924 said so, doesn’t seem to me too be a good excuse if you follow me. The text was of God the abolishment is of man, I think I

[edit on 2-5-2010 by drmeola]