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Originally posted by badw0lf
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
This verdict disturbs me.
It appears to part of the increasing habit (agenda?) of blaming the victim.
I agree whole heartedly but...
Females really need to watch what they ware or not ware.
NO
I do not condone the actions of a pervert,
Let's be real woman THEY are out there.
Bull, they can 'wear' what they want - if you think that makes it ok for some bloody sicko to rape them, pfft.
I like how you cover your arrogance with a disclaimer tho.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not
Oh don't get me wrong....
females should be females and have a right to dress as they please!
But I have never seen a female that went home with a guy if she wasen't thinking of possibley having sex.
Are you telling me females want legal repercussions for every time they felt bad for having sex with a guy.
I'm done with this I sense you mind is set on females are guilt less creatures that can do no wrong,
this case is not even a case it's an opinion of a writer that heard of this case.
But I can assume that it's more of a consent on both parties that they ended up drunk in his room........
Originally posted by LadySkadi
This thread bears a strong resemblance to the older discussion here with many of the very same arguments pro/con issues regarding women and clothing choice. Something always to bear in mind:
Correlation does not imply causality.
This discussion is enlightening and for the most part, handled with good intentions and honesty. I am however, disappointed that the topic has devolved into a conversation based on the clothing choices and modesty of women. The last pages of this thread have been argued to death and in the process, buried the bigger picture in details not necessarily of the most important. A much larger concept to not lose sight of is - a person's responsibility (to themselves) to actively do what they can, to be safe.
In a perfect world, all people should be free to choose how they wish to express themselves and to do so, without having to worry about safety and other negative repercussions. Unfortunately, in the real world, this is not the case.
Is clothing a contributing factor in this case, or in any other rape case? Perhaps. I would argue that it is the potential to draw the attention of a predator to oneself, that is the result of that contributing factor, that must not be forgotten.
However, consider this...
If I am wearing color at a time when most are wearing black, do I draw attention? If I am jogging in shorts and a tank top instead of sweats and a t-shirt, do I draw attention? If I am taller, or shorter, louder, or quieter than most, do I draw attention? If I have blond hair or red hair, instead of brown hair, do I draw attention? If I have long hair and choose to wear it down, instead of up, do I draw attention? What if my jeans are tight instead of baggy? If I am wearing a dress at a time when most are wearing jeans, do I draw attention?
The point is that clothing choices and modesty and what draws the attention of someone else to you, is in the eye of the beholder.
Do I absolve women (or anyone) from the responsibility of watching out for themselves? No. Do I believe that everyone should be aware of where they are, who they are with and what they are doing? Yes. Do I believe that anyone, at anytime, can draw the attention of a predator? Yes. Do I place blame on a victim of a rape crime? No. No way.
Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
reply to post by chise61
I have seen many things in this world, weird stuff, alien craft, and things that would make you shint your pants. But I have never seen a female that went home with a guy if she wasen't thinking of possibley having sex.
Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
reply to post by chise61
Lets say my sister went to a dudes house, were there she was forced to have sex by forced drugs and violence, that's rape she didn't want sex even if she went to his house. But if she got drunk and went upstairs without coercion, physical or date rape drugs, she was drunk and horny so they did it.
But I have never seen a female that went home with a guy if she wasen't thinking of possibley having sex.
you keep saying things like they were drunk and messing around, she
left the bar drunk, etc even though the article says no such thing.
If you have an article that states the woman was drunk, post
a link i'll read it.
Content from external source:
Nicholas Eugenio Gonzalez was accused of raping the 24-year-old as she
consoled him about breaking up with one of her friends.
The woman had told the Sydney District Court she and Mr Gonzalez had met for drinks
in April 2008 before going to his Surry Hills house to listen to music.
Content from external source:
pushed the woman on to his bed
it's NOT okay to force a woman to have sex
Being in the same room as a man does not mean
"force me down on the bed and rape me."
Originally posted by LordBucket
reply to post by riley
So since we agree, let me just ask you, and I'll listen...how does a woman communicate to a man "I would like to have sex now please. Not rape, but sex. I am receptive to you.