Young Aussie genius whipping NASA in Moon Hoax Debate!

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

Date difference from Feb 20, 1962 to Jul 16, 1969. This is equal to exactly 7 years, 4 months, and 26 days.

Careful, you just stated a verifiable fact. It makes mockrock look bad.

In 1962, NASA is purchasing drug store cameras. By 1969, NASA has become the world's best expert only source of photos from the lunar surface. Think about it.

Yes, I have thought about it. It means that the engineers were too busy trying to get their birds to fly than to think about publicity. They would have been content if the entire program were kept out of the public eye. You have just proven that in 1962, there was no intention to hoax the public.

Photos have propaganda value. Richard Nixon is in the White House. Frank Borman is in the White House with the President when Apollo 11 launches for the moon.

He also met with Henry Kissinger. What's your point?

Everything is going great. Mary Jo Kopechne is dead, Edward Kennedy is implicated...

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING!!!???

And the propaganda phone call is critical to establishing the official credibility of the mission...

How, exactly? Millions of people saw a gigantic rocket blast into space. Observers all over the world saw the S-IV B stack pass over head. Radio transmissions from the spacecraft were received by amateur radio enthusiasts as the craft made its way to the Moon. How does a phone call do anything further to establish its "credibility?"

No sooner has Apollo 11 splashed down, Nixon is on the air craft carrier to welcome home the Apollo 11 crew by trapping them into a quarantine container...

Darn that Nixon! Always trapping people and locking them up in metal boxes!

Frank Borman is headed to Russia

... despite his rabid anti-communism!

The NASA cheerleaders need to understand and finally accept the fact that the Apollo Propaganda Program was a world-wide operational success thanks to the efforts of propaganda films

The Apollo Propaganda Program was a success because NASA actually landed men on the Moon. The United States had every right to boast about it. If your country landed men on the Moon, wouldn't you use it for propaganda purposes?

The NASA cheerleaders need to accept the facts. If Werner Von Braun somehow died before being captured by the Americans.... the Russians would most likely have won in the race to the moon.

Quite right; von Braun's knowledge of rocketry was invaluable. It certainly gave the United States an edge, which is why, as you have finally admitted, the United States won the race to the Moon!

reply to post by FoosM

Maybe this is why astronauts denied seeing any stars!

The astronauts have never denied seeing stars. You, yourself, have copied and pasted many examples of the astronauts talking about seeing stars.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

Whenever someone comes to the subject of Apollo and studies it deeply he or she eventually encounters the strange phenomenon known as Apollo photographic anomalies. There have been many claims about these pictures so it best to be careful to study the situation intensely. First we should like to look at NASA's attitude toward photography, in general, looking first at anecdotal evidence from primary sources...

First of all, your lengthy citation shows how photography was nearly an afterthought. It's primary purpose was for research, such as mapping the lunar surface or observing how people perform in microgravity. Unquestionably, these photographs sparked the public interest, and other government departments welcomed the possibility of using them for propaganda purposes. After all, if your little country could put even a single person into space, wouldn't you want to boast about it? Hmmm... have any Kiwis even hitched a ride on an American or Russian flight?

Once the photographs were reproduced using a variety of media, the "Apollo photographic anomalies" began to appear. People began to notice that magazines and newspapers cropped, flopped and otherwise altered the original photographs. When the pictures were scanned into a digital format, new types of "anomalies" began to appear. These are the result of the scanning process. More recently, certain Moon Hoax propagandists have taken to arguing that any photograph they cannot comprehend visually is "anomalous."

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

It's important to remember that the Communists were atheists and every time a NASA astronaut invokes God it is like flipping the middle finger to to the Russians, because it was a childish competition in the first place, the real goal was this.

Apparently, you do not understand what Communism was. It was a state religion based on a sacred book revealed by its prophet, Karl Marx. It taught that a deity, the Historical Dialect, would intervene in human affairs to create a paradise on Earth. This deity was celebrated with elaborate rituals on May Day, when enormous, er, fertility symbols were paraded past the tomb of its first saint, Lenin. The sacred words of Marx and Lenin were carved on monuments everywhere.

Now, other than the Apollo 8 "incident," can you find a single example of the astronauts broadcasting "religious propaganda" from space? No doubt some of them mention religion or the bible when addressing groups in their capacity as a private citizen, so that doesn't count. After all, some of them have said some crazy things when they weren't "on the clock." No, please find one single other example of something you would consider to be an astronaut invoking God to "flip a middle finger at the Russians."

This thread is the real childish competition.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

It can be a somewhat of a shock for many people when they finally understand this : all those Apollo pictures were processed and screened by the CIA. FoosM and I have been providing information about this in the last couple of pages which outlines, in broadest detail, shown in declassified top secret documents, the relationships between NASA, DoD, NRO, CIA, NPCI, COMIREX, and more, including the formation of ad hoc committees, the extremist, anti Communist paranoia that infected all aforementioned entities, all of which adds credence to the legacy of secrecy in the Apollo program.

No, what you have done is prove that one NASA photographic expert once worked in intelligence as a photo-interpreter. You have also provided excellent evidence that the Department of Defense screened photos from orbit to make sure that they did not compromise national security. Everything else has been insinuation, peppered liberally with inflammatory catch phrases like "rabid anti-communist."

The main point, however, is that you still haven't learned how to do propaganda right. As I pointed out earlier, if you have to explain a propaganda image, it's a failure. It should be simple, evocative and self explanatory. Here, I made this one just for you. Feel free to use it:



Much better, don't you think?

when I first saw the videos and pictures of the landing and the whole thing I instantly got dumbstruck to the quality and shortage of material of probably the biggest event in that era. I mean you can find plenty of good and clear colored video footage even some in 3d in 1940s and pictures yet NASA couldn't afford good equipment or had no time to make more footage of the moon or lacked technology :O ? I mean they seized all the german technology and Wernher von Braun was the lead of NASA's leader of space missions a first class nazi.

I remember thinking why isnt anyone digging with small spade or touch the moon in close view, throw a rock... turn camera around and show it all isnt that what anyone would do? take camera look around or do anything that makes it look like moon, and no crappy 10sec shots of someone jumping is not it.

edit: I remember taking better pics with my 20$ camera and thinking why didnt they buy one of these?

reply to post by Hesher


3-D in the 1940s? Have any source for that, sounds interesting.

I mean you can find plenty of good and clear colored video footage even some in 3d in 1940s......

....and pictures yet NASA couldn't afford good equipment or had no time to make more footage of the moon or lacked technology.

You have to remember the severe size and weight limitations that are part of the space missions. Every extra ounce of weight was trimmed....because it severely affected the amount of fuel then needed in order to loft if.

.....and no crappy 10sec shots of someone jumping is not it.

There are many, many long un-cut shots from the various missions available to watch, if you know where to find them. For video, remember there are two types: The 16mm film cameras that were used, and also (mostly starting with Apollo 14) the color TV video cameras, and those recordings.

Try the ALSJ

Also, found this if you can watch on YouTube. It's 1 hour 35 minutes from (one or more) of the DAC cameras on Apollo 15. These cameras had several film magazines, that could be put in, used then taken out. In this YT video they are not in sequential order:

Maybe all you guys can explain, in detail, how they managed to fake this photo.

And this one as well.

reply to post by Hesher


Taking better pics with your 20's camera? Have you even seen the quality of the apollo photos? Not the small jpg's that are for web use. They have scans that blow your mind and some older cpu's.

reply to post by JohnnySasaki

Great shot!
I've always liked these pictures of the LM approaching the CM, they speak volumes to me in many ways. Hoax-heads will no doubt dismiss them, but to me they are very inspiring!

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


Please give the source for this photo. I would like to study it further.

Originally posted by DJW001

Frank Borman is headed to Russia

... despite his rabid anti-communism!

The NASA cheerleaders need to accept the facts. If Werner Von Braun somehow died before being captured by the Americans.... the Russians would most likely have won in the race to the moon.

Quite right; von Braun's knowledge of rocketry was invaluable. It certainly gave the United States an edge, which is why, as you have finally admitted, the United States won the race to the Moon!

So if you take away one man from NASA, the ex-NAZI war criminal Werner von Braun, America would lose to the Soviets in the space race. I'm glad you finally see the truth. Apollo is 99% anti-communist propaganda, 1% ex-NAZI technology.

Von Braun is one of the small group of determined men (the conspiracy) who encouraged Kennedy to make the boldest statements regarding putting a man on the moon and returning him safely to earth by the end of the decade.

More on Frank Borman:

After Frank Borman's epic Apollo 8 journey he was assigned to the White House where he gets to know the people out there pretty well... Richard "Tricky Dick" Nixon and Bob "Hatchetman" Halderman. Borman gets to know these folk so well that Borman feels comfortable enough to call over to Halderman one day and he puts the stop to VP Agnew's NASA visit during a crucial time.... during the Apollo 13 Soap Opera Disaster. Why? NASA didn't want all those press people following Agnew down to Mission Control.. it would have been a media circus.

Frank Borman is an Army colonel. He is a humorless, mission oriented servant of the White House.. Nixon loves him because they both share the same fervent and persistent anti-communist paranoia. Borman will later evolve into a corporate monster at Eastern Airlines , where he busted the labor union.


Frank Borman hated it when Eastern Airlines employees are making a good living working for the company so he decided to attack and destroy the labor union. It's funny irony... because the labor forces at Boeing and North American were also unionized during the Apollo era and making boat loads of money for building "space junk" for NASA.

So, in Frank Borman's tiny, militarized brain it is okay for NASA to pay Boeing and North American workers massive amounts of overtime the throughout the 1960's when America is struggling against the Russians, because State Sponsored Corporate Welfare (e.g. NASA) was good for America at that time.

Back to Frank Borman's position at the White House... if Richard Nixon gave Frank Borman a direct order... "Go To Russia" .... then Frank Borman, the obedient servant, would never question that order for any reason.

Come on DJ these guys would do anything to beat the Russians and that includes faking the Apollo moon landings on TV. Why do you keep underestimating the resourcefulness of such people?

The same small group of determined men who claimed to went to the moon for peace but the first 3 recipients of mockrocks were presented to Asian puppet dictators, Ferdinand Marcos, Chiang Kai-Shek and Nguyen Van Thieu.

double post

Asian puppet dictator Chiang Kai-shek receiving one of the first 3 "gift rocks" from VP Spiro Agnew and Astronaut Gene Cernan.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

Come on DJ these guys would do anything to beat the Russians and that includes faking the Apollo moon landings on TV. Why do you keep underestimating the resourcefulness of such people?

You are the one consistently underestimating the resourcefulness of these people. They would do anything to beat the Soviets including actually going to the Moon!

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


This is where actual facts drop your hypothetical fantasy claims like a dead horse......

.....these guys would do anything to beat the Russians and that includes faking the Apollo moon landings on TV.

Sorry for this notion, merely "faking on TV" would never, ever, ever, ever, ever have "convinced" the Russians!!!!

The Russians were on everything that had to do with the American Space Program like white on rice. They were very skilled and technologically capable of getting to the Moon, just as well as the USA was. (With one exception, of course. A reliable heavy-lift capability).

With that knowledge and expertise, they would have immediately been able to detect any "deception" or "fakery" by NASA!!

It is that simple, and it is the "inconvenient" truth that keeps that poor horse dead. Beating the horse does not bring it back to life.

Originally posted by Gibborium
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

Please give the source for this photo. I would like to study it further.

AS15-86-11603HR

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


That is not what Gibbonum asked for.

The "source" of that image. The booklet that is the cover that is displaying that image.

THAT.

Originally posted by ProudBird

With that knowledge and expertise, they would have immediately been able to detect any "deception" or "fakery" by NASA!!

It is that simple, and it is the "inconvenient" truth that keeps that poor horse dead. Beating the horse does not bring it back to life.

Well, that is why we are here... what we are here to understand and discuss... "inconvenient" truths.

Once you finally accept the truth (the CIA controlling every aspect of Apollo photography) you can then move forward to understand that it really is a small group of determined men ( a conspiracy ).

This is no different than the small group of determined men who were determined to have a war in South East Asia. And they convinced the President to go on TV telling Americans that a couple of North Vietnamese PT boats in the Gulf of Tonkin posed a grave and serious threat to freedom™ and democracy™ and the American way of life™.



This is no different than the small group of determined men who were determined to work in the shadows, trading weapons to terrorist, trading in coc aine, assisting in coup d'etat in SE Asia, So. America, Central America, Africa, and the Middle East.