Young Aussie genius whipping NASA in Moon Hoax Debate!

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

Did you know what day that Frank Shakespeare decided to leave his position at USIA? It just happened to be about the very last day that Apollo 17 was on the Moon. It was right about December 14, 1972.

And what happened in June of 1972 that might have encouraged him to leave for the private sector?

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


In all honesty I hadn't noticed that. Not really my interest. Some posts here I just skim through.

Originally posted by ProudBird
But of course....let's completely ignore Alan Bean's contribution to (arguably) single-handedly SAVING the Apollo 12 mission, shortly after lift-off??

The only reason Apollo 12 launched into a lightning storm was because Nixon actually showed up for the launch and it would have been a big, big disappointment for the entire Military-Industrial-Complex if they didn't launch.

And wasn't Pete Conrad a quitter? He quit the Lovelace clinic during his physicals. But he was special (for some reason, I don't know why) so NASA convinced him to come back.

Was the Lovelace clinic connected with the CIA. Yes it was.

BTW, don't these astronauts get "basic" camera training on the ground? Didn't anybody tell them that you can't point a TV camera into the sun?

Originally posted by DJW001

And what happened in June of 1972 that might have encouraged him to leave for the private sector?

Watergate happened. Left to right: James McCord, Jr., Virgilio Gonzalez, Frank Sturgis, Eugenio Martinez, and Bernard Baker.


It's kind of funny that Frank Sturgis, a renowned soldier of fortune and would-be assassin of Castro would get caught up with latex gloves and surveillance equipment while infiltrating the Democratic HQ at the Watergate Complex for a dirty trick.

Frank Sturgis had been in Cuba fighting *with* Castro in 1959. He later turned on Castro and even tried to poison Castro, with lots of help from the exiled Cubans from Miami and the CIA station there.

So you have to wonder why a guy like Frank Sturgis is working for the CREEP in 1972. Is it because the Nixon insiders already know him from ... way back ...other operations? Is it because Sturgis is a Nixon fan?

What kind of other secret operations could Frank Sturgis do for Richard Nixon? He could swipe the moon rocks from the Lunar Receiving Laboratory. He could locate and destroy all the 700 boxes of 3,500 telemetry tapes that were placed into Accession #69A4099. He could intimidate astronauts. Is he really such an all-purpose useful tool for Nixon?

Getting back to Frank Shakespeare now. Everybody should be aware that Nixon hired him for the USIA propaganda post. The former CBS exec was an early supporter of Nixon and indeed played a significant interested role in Nixon's comeback for the wilderness. Shakespeare was also a rabid anti-Communist and Nixon likes that in a man.

Frank Shakespeare's timing as the USIA director also coincides with the faked Apollo lunar landing missions.
Here we can see that Frank Shakespeare was in Richard Nixon's office on July 17, 1969.

We all know that Nixon was ready to use the moon rocks and the astronauts as propaganda tools immediately. When Agnew went on his Asian tour at the end of 1969 he took with moon rock samples from Apollo 11 AND Apollo 12.

That means Nixon had Apollo 12 moon rocks and had them encased in lucite in time for Agnew's Asian trip.
Apollo 12 splashed down on November 24, 1969.
Agnew leaves for his Asian trip December 24, 1969.

What I would like to know is who was the NASA person responsible for picking the lunar samples and creating the lucite-encased "gift rocks" that Spiro Agnew took with him on his Asian trip at the end of 1969.

Both Spiro Agnew and Richard Nixon resigned their positions because they were both crooked! James Webb quit NASA in late 1968 saying that the US was #2. Richard Nixon's brother hired Farouk El-Baz at Bellcomm as a geologist when there were already loads of top geologists working for the the USGS studying lunar geology under the umbrella of the DoD!!!

It's time to Wake Up DJW! Apollo was a "feel good" propaganda production for the US media because the war was running too long, too many kids were dying, because the South East Asia policies were failures, America needed to "feel good" about itself by beating the Russian's to the Moon.

Frank Borman “The whole concept of changing our mission and getting ready in four months was done because we were in the “Can Do” program… “Beat the Soviets to the Moon”. NASA likes to talk about scientific exploration and our lunar expert here… Bill Anders… he can pick up all the rocks in the world… that’s just wonderful… the reason we went to the moon on Apollo 8 was to beat the Russians… I want to give you a clue!” Source (video) www.nasm.si.edu...



Bill Anders “And remember as Frank has often said, Apollo was really not a program to explore the moon or develop technology, it was to beat the Soviets, to demonstrate our technological preeminence, as he said “Another battle in the Cold War”. And Apollo 8 and certainly Apollo 11 underscored America’s ability there and basically won that battle.” Source (video) www.nasm.si.edu...

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reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

What kind of other secret operations could Frank Sturgis do for Richard Nixon? He could swipe the moon rocks from the Lunar Receiving Laboratory. He could locate and destroy all the 700 boxes of 3,500 telemetry tapes that were placed into Accession #69A4099. He could intimidate astronauts. Is he really such an all-purpose useful tool for Nixon?

Why would Nixon need to swipe moon rocks from the Lunar Receiving Laboratory? According to you, he knew the rocks were fake, that's why they needed to stop people from swiping them! As for locating and destroying 700 boxes of tape, what do you think he did? Back up a fourteen wheeler truck in the middle of the night and load it up? He couldn't even break into a hotel room successfully! It's also pretty hard to intimidate astronauts when you're in prison. Apollo 17 took place in December of 1972, "Sturgis" went to prison in January of 1973 and stayed there until January of 1974. His activities after his release are not known to include any encounters with astronauts.

Getting back to Frank Shakespeare now. Everybody should be aware that Nixon hired him for the USIA propaganda post. The former CBS exec was an early supporter of Nixon and indeed played a significant interested role in Nixon's comeback for the wilderness. Shakespeare was also a rabid anti-Communist and Nixon likes that in a man.

Funny, you keep using "anti-communist" as though its a bad thing. I assume that means you are a rabid pro-communist, and therefore are 100% supportive of things like the Katyn Massacre:



(Warning! Contains disturbing images!)

There are reasons why generations of people all over the world hated Communism. Your attempt to use "anti-communist" as a slur reveals more about you than the people you use it against. So you admit that Shakespeare had a personal connection with Nixon? Can you see how his desire to retire probably had more to do with the brewing storm over Watergate than the moon landings? As director of the USIA, Shakespeare relished being able to broadcast the good news about America's triumphs in space; trying to explain why the "Leader of the Free World," his boss and friend, was going to be impeached is another matter.

Here we can see that Frank Shakespeare was in Richard Nixon's office on July 17, 1969.

Congratulations, another smoking gun. You proved that the director of an agency of the Executive Branch of the United States government met with the President on at least one occasion. Brilliant.

That means Nixon had Apollo 12 moon rocks and had them encased in lucite in time for Agnew's Asian trip.
Apollo 12 splashed down on November 24, 1969.
Agnew leaves for his Asian trip December 24, 1969.

What I would like to know is who was the NASA person responsible for picking the lunar samples and creating the lucite-encased "gift rocks" that Spiro Agnew took with him on his Asian trip at the end of 1969.

Wow. They were able to encase rocks in Lucite in less than a month! Another smoking gun. Why do you want to know who picked the rocks? Do you suspect it was G. Gordon Liddy, or what?

Both Spiro Agnew and Richard Nixon resigned their positions because they were both crooked!

Both Spiro Agnew and Richard Nixon resigned their positions because the American people would not tolerate malfeasance on the part of its elected officials! If Richard Nixon had been involved in faking the lunar landings, the ill will that the media and the bulk of the populace held towards him would guarantee that it would be discovered and used to crush him completely. Of course, this all happened long before you were born, so I don't expect you to understand.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

What kind of other secret operations could Frank Sturgis do for Richard Nixon? He could swipe the moon rocks from the Lunar Receiving Laboratory. He could locate and destroy all the 700 boxes of 3,500 telemetry tapes that were placed into Accession #69A4099. He could intimidate astronauts. Is he really such an all-purpose useful tool for Nixon?

Why would Nixon need to swipe moon rocks from the Lunar Receiving Laboratory? According to you, he knew the rocks were fake, that's why they needed to stop people from swiping them! As for locating and destroying 700 boxes of tape, what do you think he did? Back up a fourteen wheeler truck in the middle of the night and load it up? He couldn't even break into a hotel room successfully! It's also pretty hard to intimidate astronauts when you're in prison. Apollo 17 took place in December of 1972, "Sturgis" went to prison in January of 1973 and stayed there until January of 1974. His activities after his release are not known to include any encounters with astronauts.

Frank Sturgis was incarcerated at Eglin AFB, known as "Club Fed". Sturgis has friends in high places so Sturgis gets special treatment.

A low security Federal Prison Camp was established under a maintenance contract with the Air Force, located at the old Niceville Road Prison where German POWs had been incarcerated during World War II, from November 1962. The camp moved to a 28-acre (110,000 m2) compound at Auxiliary Field 6 in November 1969, and served as a minimum security facility for non-violent offenders. It would gain the nickname "Club Fed". The facility was closed in 2006 as a cost-cutting measure, with most of the prisoners transferred to the Pensacola Federal Prison Camp, Saufley Field, at NAS Pensacola in December 2005. Watergate conspirator E. Howard Hunt, former Maryland Governor Marvin Mandel, and fashion maven Aldo Gucci (tax evasion) were among those who served time at Eglin.

And the point about being a "rabid anti-Communist" is something that Nixon requires from his henchmen. Frank Shaekspeare, Henry Kissinger, Frank Borman all could be considered rabid anti-Communists. Harrison Schmitt, too. But you are incorrect to presume that because I identified the ideology of these people that I am somehow automatically enganged with "pro-Communism". That's a sophomore mistake on your part.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

Frank Sturgis was incarcerated at Eglin AFB, known as "Club Fed". Sturgis has friends in high places so Sturgis gets special treatment.

So what?

And the point about being a "rabid anti-Communist" is something that Nixon requires from his henchmen. Frank Shaekspeare, Henry Kissinger, Frank Borman all could be considered rabid anti-Communists. Harrison Schmitt, too. But you are incorrect to presume that because I identified the ideology of these people that I am somehow automatically enganged with "pro-Communism". That's a sophomore mistake on your part.

And the way you reflexively qualify "anti-communist" with the word "rabid" is a sophomore mistake on your part.

Originally posted by DJW001

And the point about being a "rabid anti-Communist" is something that Nixon requires from his henchmen. Frank Shaekspeare, Henry Kissinger, Frank Borman all could be considered rabid anti-Communists. Harrison Schmitt, too. But you are incorrect to presume that because I identified the ideology of these people that I am somehow automatically enganged with "pro-Communism". That's a sophomore mistake on your part.

And the way you reflexively qualify "anti-communist" with the word "rabid" is a sophomore mistake on your part.

Really DJW001.... really? Are you saying there is no such thing as a extreme ideologies?

I fail to see what your point is here.
Do you agree or disagree with the information being provided?
You may not see how it pertains to the Apollo hoax, but then there are so many other things you can be discussing, for you not to worry about what SJ is posting. It seems you are more concerned about SJ than what SJ is posting.

Diamonds (Gemstones) Are Forever

(Conspiracy Nation, 8/3/03) -- Ian Fleming... author of the James Bond series of "fiction" books, was a knowledgeable insider who revealed key information in his stories.
Born in 1908, Fleming worked for British intelligence during World War II, was an associate of the notorious Alesteir Crowley, was involved in Deputy Fuhrer Rudolph Hesses arrival in Scotland in 1941, and seems to have revealed the hidden power of Aristotle Onassis.

But the most stunning Fleming revelation is contained in the film version of his novel, Diamonds Are Forever. The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) seems to have faked the widely televised Apollo lunar mission.

"Ian Fleming," writes David Hatcher Childress, was "in many ways, the real James Bond." After World War II, Fleming moved to Jamaica and wrote his James Bond series of books. Noteworthy is that the Torbitt Document devotes an entire chapter to covert operations headquartered in Jamaica. ("The Yale Club in Jamaica and World Commerce Corporation Successor to the German Munition Cartels") The Jamaican location was base for the World Commerce Corporation, "originally designed to fill the void left by the break-up of the big German cartels..." This World Commerce Corporation "worked closely with Clay Shaw's World Trade Development Commission and Permindex's various World Trade Centers."

Those who have read the Gemstone papers

are familiar with the claim that Greek shipping tycoon Aristotle Onassis was at the topmost apex of secret power.

It is intriguing, therefore, that Ian Fleming's book, Casino Royale (1954) hints at the power of Onassis. In January 1953, Aristotle Onassis had purchased the Monte Carlo Casino, in Monaco. A year later, Fleming's book, Casino Royale, appeared. The book dealt with a crooked casino owner in Monte Carlo. James Bond, in several of the Bond series of books, battles archvillain Ernst Stavro Blofeld. Author David Hatcher Childress notes that "Stavro" is the first name of Onassis's brother-in-law, Stavros Niarchos. But missed is the "Blofeld" connection: Louis Mortimer Bloomfield, mentioned in the Torbitt Document as a key Permindex operative.

BLOomFiELD
Ernst Stavro Blofeld


Welcome to hell...

In the 1972 movie, "Diamonds Are Forever" (based on Fleming's 1956 book of the same name), James Bond follows a trail of diamonds (gemstones?) to Las Vegas, goes to a secret base (Area 51?), and witnesses the faking of a NASA moon mission when he stumbles into a "moon landing" stage set.

Not only was Fleming British Intelligence, so was another notable british writer, Roald Dahl.

Dahl, Fleming and Bond

Interest in Dahl's clandestine career has grown markedly in recent years. It featured strongly in the 2008 book 'The Irregulars' by Jennet Conant, which also offered a history of Britain's BSC spy ring in New York and Washington. Dahl and his co-conspirators - especially David Ogilvy, Ian Fleming, and Ivar Bryce - did their best to carry out various cloak-and-dagger assignments for the both the British and the general Allied cause.

Dahl, of course, later became famous as a prolific author of stories for children, including 'Charlie and the Chocolate Factory'. Despite having very little experience of writing for the big screen, Dahl was recruited by Broccoli and Saltzman to deliver a new story for 'You Only Live Twice', as the Bond producers considered Fleming's 1964 book as near-unfilmable. Dahl dropped much of Fleming's basic plot, but retained some of the key characters, and delivered a new space-age story which played upon fears of nuclear war. He turned in the first draft in only six weeks.

In the film, Bond is dispatched to Japan after American and Soviet manned spacecraft disappear mysteriously in orbit. With each nation blaming the other amidst the Cold War, Bond travels secretly to a remote Japanese island in order to find the perpetrators and comes face to face with Ernst Stavro Blofeld, the head of SPECTRE.

Interestingly, in later interviews Dahl indicated that, when developing his Bond screenplay, he had been influenced by the many stories he gathered from the American press about the Gemini space project and its space-walks.

'British Security Co-ordination' (BSC). The highly secret organisation was established to promote British interests in America, to help persuade American public opinion and the media to support the War, and to stop the spread of Nazi propaganda.

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A Sordid History

In 1919, what became known as "Division Five" of the FBI was an arm of the U.S. Justice Department. It was then known as the General Intelligence Division (GID). Heading the GID was young J. Edgar Hoover. Fervent anti-Communist Hoover allied himself and his apparatus with Czarist Russians (a.k.a. "White Russians") during the Red Scare and (J. Mitchell) Palmer raids of the time.

In 1924, when Hoover was inaugurated as the first FBI Director, he transformed the GID into the little publicized Division Five.

But Division Five later was embraced by an agency so secret that its very name is not officially acknowledged: the Defense Industrial Security Command (DISC)

It has been alleged that the CIA-FBI combine, in conjunction with the Defense Industrial Security Command, has supported a school in Oaxaco, Mexico, for professional assassins. This religious academy, disguised as a missionary, was exposed in 1970 and might be disbanded since that date. Albert Osborne, alias John Howard Bowan, director and head "missionary," accompanied Lee Harvey Oswald on his trip to Mexico in September, 1962. Oswald, not an assassin, was patsy for the men who killed President John F. Kennedy.
The killing of Kennedy was only one of dozens or possibly hundreds of murders of leaders around the world, or potential future leaders.

The unacknowledged Defense Industrial Security Command (DISC) acts on behalf of NASA and the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC). DISC "had its beginnings when J. Edgar Hoover in the early 1930s organized the police force of the fledgling Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA)."

In 1945, Nazi rocket scientist Werner von Braun and about 150 other Nazi scientists turned themselves in to American forces in Europe. Von Braun was debriefed by Major Clay Shaw, aide-de-camp to U.S. General Charles O. Thrasher. The relationship between von Braun and Shaw continued over the coming years.

The surrendered Nazi scientists were brought to America and incorporated themselves into their new home. Von Braun was employed by what became the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). He easily made a "complete switch from the German Military Industrial machine to the American Military Industrial Complex."

Besides being a deputy administrator at NASA, von Braun headed highly-secretive NASA's security division. In the latter capacity, the Nazi rocket scientist worked directly with J. Edgar Hoover.

Project Argus and the Van Allen Belt
In keeping with NASA's secretive ways, Operation Argus was launched in 1958. To send an astronaut into space, there was a little problem of the Van Allen radiation belt which surrounds earth. Named after Dr. James Van Allen, these radiation areas extend for as far as eight Earth radii. Perhaps an atomic explosion could blast a safe path for astronauts? Such apparently was the thinking of some scientists at the time, according to the definitive textbook on super-secret NASA, Dark Moon.

Three nuclear devices were exploded 300 miles above earth, just below the Van Allen belts. Soon thereafter, the U.S. authorities admitted that the "tests" had occurred. In 1962, the Americans announced they would repeat the Project Argus process, this time using a bomb one-thousand times more powerful than the 1958 Argus bombs. Despite international outrage, on July 8, 1962, this megaton atomic bomb was exploded in the atmosphere, at a height of 248 miles.

But contrary to hopes, the megaton bomb did not clear a pathway through the Van Allen belts; rather, an entirely new radiation belt was formed by the blast. Authors Bennett and Percy suggest "that Operation Argus and Starfish Prime (1962) were attempts to force an entryway through the natural Van Allen radiation belts in order to be able to enter and exit the planet with a minimum of disruption to their rocket riders and their electronics."

www.maebrussell.com...

reply to post by FoosM

It is intriguing, therefore, that Ian Fleming's book, Casino Royale (1954) hints at the power of Onassis. In January 1953, Aristotle Onassis had purchased the Monte Carlo Casino, in Monaco. A year later, Fleming's book, Casino Royale, appeared. The book dealt with a crooked casino owner in Monte Carlo. James Bond, in several of the Bond series of books, battles archvillain Ernst Stavro Blofeld. Author David Hatcher Childress notes that "Stavro" is the first name of Onassis's brother-in-law, Stavros Niarchos. But missed is the "Blofeld" connection: Louis Mortimer Bloomfield, mentioned in the Torbitt Document as a key Permindex operative.

The first problem here being that Le Chiffre did not own Casino Royale; he was a SMERSH operative in charge of organizing the French labor movement who used prostitution and drugs to "leverage" his operating funds. Unfortunately, he was also addicted to gambling and was embezzling from SMERSH for the purpose. Not wise. The novel was based on an encounter that Fleming had with a German officer in neutral Portugal during WWII. The name "Blofeld" was written down in one of Fleming's notebooks for future use. It was the name of a Boulangier in Alsace-Lorraine, hence the "inside joke" in Austin Powers. (Dr. Evil: My father was a relentlessly self improving Boulangier from Belgium....)

I have only been studying the Apollo "thing" for about 12 months. One of the difficult areas of the "thing" is to gain an understanding (or an ability) to identify Apollo mission pictures. For example, the picture on the cover of the Official NASA report. Now this picture could be from A15, A16 or A17 because it has a moon buggy. But which mission is it? And what is the official NASA photo number? and WHY IS THE SKY BLUE?

Originally posted by FoosM
A Sordid History

Ouch. Poor Baron. And the NASA spokesman in that video, isn't he also dead?

Originally posted by DJW001Of course, this all happened long before you were born, so I don't expect you to understand.

Prove it.

Originally posted by PsykoOps
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

In all honesty I hadn't noticed that. Not really my interest. Some posts here I just skim through.

Why not add your 2 cents on this picture then? I'll be the first to admit that I don't know *hit about photography. Can you explain for us how the sky is blue? BTW I am really interested in finding an interpretation for this picture. If this picture has been "enhanced" by any method then I will be forced to argue that the entire contents of the volume titled "Biomedical Results of Apollo" are also enhancements.


Official link! history.nasa.gov...

Here is another official scan of the book cover.

lsda.jsc.nasa.gov...

And if you want to actually read the contents of the book you can go here:
Official link! lsda.jsc.nasa.gov...

Originally posted by DJW001

The first problem here being that Le Chiffre did not own Casino Royale; he was a SMERSH operative in charge of organizing the French labor movement who used prostitution and drugs to "leverage" his operating funds. Unfortunately, he was also addicted to gambling and was embezzling from SMERSH for the purpose. Not wise.

Thats right Le Chiffre was probably adapted from Aleister Crowley. And he did not own the Casino.
I didnt read the book, so I dont know if there is more to the book than the movie regarding the Casino itself.

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Oh man thats hilarious!
No wonder there weren't any stars... or tracks!

Zoom in closely on the area directly behind the left rear wheel in this photo and you'll see that there's no track left behind by that wheel. This couldn't possibly have been caused by kicked dust as very little activity has taken place in this area as witnessed by the small number of footprints. As you can see, these footprints are clearly visible due to the sun's low angle and yet somehow, the tracks leading to the rover's wheels can't be seen at all.

Its actually this photo:
apolloanomalies.com...

edit to ask:
Why did they also create a new mountain behind MONS HADLEY?




apolloanomalies.com...

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Ouch. Poor Baron. And the NASA spokesman in that video, isn't he also dead?

Yeah... I recall that he actually is.
I even think he died soon after the Fox special had aired...

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Apparently he died in 2000.

27 November 2000: Brian Welch has died, before the Fox special aired

Brian died at 6:19 p.m. Friday night after suffering a heart attack. A NASA memorial will be held in Washington - date is TBD. A service with Brian's family to spread his ashes over a lake near his home will be held in Kentucky on Dec. 9. In lieu of flowers, the family requests donations to Brian's local library (details below).

Information regarding memorial service, donations, flowers, etc. Source nasawatch.com...

On Thursday, February 15th 2001 (and replayed on March 19), the Fox TV network aired a program called ``Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?'', hosted by X-Files actor Mitch Pileggi. Source www.badastronomy.com...

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A Sordid History

To answer that moron aWe's question: "Where is the Baron report?"

history.nasa.gov...

Baron and his family were struck by a train after he delivered a report to Congress criticizing NASA's safety procedures in the wake of the Apollo 1 tragedy. Ninjas did not push his car in front of a train because he spilled the beans about Walt Disney. Why must you people be so ghoulish?