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Young Aussie genius whipping NASA in Moon Hoax Debate!

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posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by FoosM




Let me throw you a bone to help you along your way...

A couple of articles on the artificial belt that was created.
You will read that:

1. The belt was considered hazardous to astronauts.
2. The belt lasted longer than expected (10 years).
3. van Allen complained about being "EXCEEDINGLY Intimidated" by government officials.

We are not even talking about the normal belts here.
We are talking about an additional artificial belt made by a (I believe) hydrogen bomb.
So thats at least 3 belts Apollo 8 had to go through.



You are obviously referring to the "Starfish Prime" high-altitude nuclear test conducted by the US in July 1962.

Firstly the radiation belt was pretty small and easily navigable and avoidable by the Apollo craft.
The belt had actually dissipated to a much lower and safer level by 1968......indeed actual reports suggest the belt only actually lasted 5 years......not the government estimated 10 years as stated in the newspaper article.

So there you have it..........Starfish Prime posed little to no risk to the Apollo crews.


edit on 25-10-2011 by Logical one because: (no reason given)




posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Did somebody mention Stanley Kubrick??




Arthur C. Clarke and Neil Armstrong



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by Logical one

You are obviously referring to the "Starfish Prime" high-altitude nuclear test conducted by the US in July 1962.


Yes, however Starfish prime wasnt the only one.




Firstly the radiation belt was pretty small and easily navigable and avoidable by the Apollo craft.


Source?




The belt had actually dissipated to a much lower and safer level by 1968......indeed actual reports suggest the belt only actually lasted 5 years......not the government estimated 10 years as stated in the newspaper article.


Source?



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by Ove38


Arthur C. Clarke and Neil Armstrong


When was this photo taken?



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by FoosM
When was this photo taken?


June 1970 ?



One Giant Laugh ?
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posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 05:53 PM
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Incorrect.


It was Walt Disney & Wernher von Braun's "Rocket to the Moon" show that turned into the Apollo project


SO, when saying your post had "nothing to do" with that fundy christian website, then care to cite the actual sources for those images/photos and claims that were posted?

Odd, it seems --- each and every image/photo and silly *Disney* claims sure look like they are derived from there.

In fact...it was actually Kubrick, Arthur C. Clarke, and the rest of the creators of "2001: A Space Odyssey"
who drew (borrowed) from von Braun's (and others') bold ideas and imaginations:


In 1952, von Braun first published his concept of a manned space station in a Collier's Weekly magazine series of articles entitled "Man Will Conquer Space Soon!"


And -

The ultimate purpose of the space station would be to provide an assembly platform for manned lunar expeditions. The notion of a rotating wheel-shaped station was introduced in [color=gold]1929 by Herman Potočnikin his book The Problem of Space Travel - The Rocket Motor. More than a decade later, the movie version of 2001: A Space Odyssey would draw heavily on the design concept in its visualization of an orbital space station.



Here is more of von Braun's *vision*....which has absolutely no resemblance to Apollo:

Von Braun envisaged these expeditions as very large-scale undertakings, with a total of 50 astronauts travelling in three huge spacecraft (two for crew, one primarily for cargo), each 49 m (160.76 ft) long and 33 m (108.27 ft) in diameter and driven by a rectangular array of 30 rocket propulsion engines. Upon arrival, astronauts would establish a permanent lunar base in the [color=gold]Sinus Roris region by using the emptied cargo holds of their craft as shelters, and would explore their surroundings for eight weeks.


You see, Werner von Braun was firmly in the camp of belief in a method of reaching the Moon that turned out to be totally different from the reality and ingenuity of Apollo. von Braun championed the "direct" approach, with on massive rocketship, as opposed to the more practical staged and smaller vessels and components, that were then discarded.

AT this same time, he had visions of Mars dancing in his head as well......

Read all about it...


You are confusing an entertaining (for its day) Disney-produced film aimed at kids --- that likely signed on an enthusiastic von Braun as an expert consultant. (There are many rumors that Walt Disney was a staunch anti-semitic, so he might have been interested in meeting von Braun as a result, and working with him. That topic is for elsewhere...).

Werner von Braun was an advocate of continuing the Apollo Program (U.S. Congressional funding cuts --- and the Vietnam conflict/USSR Cold War --- put an end to that). Ever heard of this?:

Apollo Applications Program


More reading about the sorts of brainstorming and planning that was ongoing.....by the way, Mercury and Gemini were, in a sense, all a *part* of Apollo too. Many lessons were learned, step-by-step in those projects.

Here, you can read about three methods for achieving manned flights to the Moon, which were being seriously considered and were competing with one another, being advocated by people with differing opinions of how to accomplish it.

The three:

  • "Direct"

  • "Earth Orbit Rendezvous"

  • "Lunar Orbit Rendezvous"


    Project Apollo Lunar Landing Flight Techniques

    From a substantial History Lesson: "Chariots for Apollo: A History of Manned Lunar Spacecraft"


    Homework assignments and due dates will be announced next week........



  • posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 06:13 PM
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    Originally posted by FoosM
    3. van Allen complained about being "EXCEEDINGLY Intimidated" by government officials.


    Was van Allen silenced during Apollo? Because he sure was active in the beginning, but later... we heard nothing.


    Interesting side note to your 2nd newsclip, FoosM.
    Jerome B Weisner was later added to Richard Nixon's enemy list. Because Weisner had "anti-defense bias".


    Jerome Bert Wiesner (May 30, 1915 – October 21, 1994) was an educator, a Science Advisor to U.S. Presidents Eisenhower and (more formally) Kennedy and Johnson, an advocate for arms control, and a critic of anti-ballistic-missile defense systems. He was also an outspoken advocate of the exploration of outer space using only unmanned satellites, most notably in his consistent denunciation of Project Mercury and its follow-ups.


    and


    This "enemies list" included Weisner among twenty-one academics.[2] Other memos indicated that Nixon had ordered that MIT's subsidy be cut "in view of Weisner's anti-defense bias."


    There seems to be a relationship between Van Allen and Weisner.



    posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 06:16 PM
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    Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter


    They are at Pinewood Film Studios. The Lunar Module created by Pinewood Studios in Buckinghamshire is now at the Science Museum in South Kensington, London




    posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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    Reduced now to more futile allegations based on a Christmas Card?!




    More from the other post....in case it wasn't noticed (I highlighted in color, but I know how some fundies will skim past inconvenient truths), in Werner von Braun's original concept, he suggested a site for the landing expeditions --

    - - - - [color=gold]SINUS RORIS

    ......A place on the Lunar globe that is no where near the "Sea of Tranquility" .(Mare Tranquillitatis)

    Sinus Roris approximate center is Latitude 50.26° by Longitude -50.86°


    Mare Tranquillitatis is centered at Latitude 8.35° by Longitude 30.83°

    Both of those areas encompass boundaries defined by the Lat/Long coordinates, you can read about them in the links.



    Actual physical touchdown for Apollo 11 was just about on the Moon's equator:

    0.67° by 23.47°


    More from early von Brahn:

    Man on the Moon-The Journey: WERNHER VON BRAUN



    edit on Tue 25 October 2011 by ProudBird because: (no reason given)



    posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 06:19 PM
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    Originally posted by FoosM

    Originally posted by Logical one

    You are obviously referring to the "Starfish Prime" high-altitude nuclear test conducted by the US in July 1962.


    Yes, however Starfish prime wasnt the only one.




    Firstly the radiation belt was pretty small and easily navigable and avoidable by the Apollo craft.


    Source?




    The belt had actually dissipated to a much lower and safer level by 1968......indeed actual reports suggest the belt only actually lasted 5 years......not the government estimated 10 years as stated in the newspaper article.


    Source?



    Starfish was by far the biggest and most significant of the artificial belts.

    The size of the artificial belts extend no more than 100 miles in an arc.......compared to 7,000 miles for the inner Van Allen belt.

    Source:

    ed-thelen.org...

    www.xmission.com...

    edit on 25-10-2011 by Logical one because: (no reason given)



    posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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    The Lunar Module (")created(") by Pinewood Studios in Buckinghamshire is now at the Science Museum in South Kensington, London


    I added those quotation marks....up there ^ ^ ^.


    London Science Museum Galleries and Exhibitions -- "Exploring Space"


    Do, please, feel free to contact the Museum and inform them of your assertions. I'm sure the Staff and Curator will be most interested in learning your revelations regarding the provenance of their display.

    EDIT....perhaps they will mention (IF true) that the display is merely an old prop from the film "Diamonds Are Forever".

    Of course, anyone who bothers to see the film, will realize how poor the full-scale props actually were, not to mention the "Moon" sets. (I'm still looking for an example of the LM from that film...).

    Of course, those who strongly cling to the nonsense of an Apollo "hoax" will probably see this as *proof*, because it is *so well done*:





    And, if any of that junk from the movie (Above ... ^ ^ ^ ) was still in storage for some reason (and not trashed after the movie wrapped, which is often the case with very large set pieces), then the London Museum might have acquired it, and taking the time to properly accurize it for display.

    (Presuming, again.....that a LM prop was used, and not that laughably silly little *thing* in that clip).....


    Not sure how this relates to the claims of "fake" Apollo...since, the timeline is recorded in history:


    Diamonds Are Foreverwas released in December 1971, with the screenplay having been written during the previous year.



    www.clavius.org...

    The screenplay written in 1970...AFTER Apollo 11 and 12. The sets and props would not have been built until AFTER the screenplay was approved by the studio, and budgeted as part of pre-production for that film.


    This sort of nonsense is indicative, sadly, of the depths the "Hoax" claims will sink. Pathetic, really.....


    edit on Tue 25 October 2011 by ProudBird because: (no reason given)



    posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 06:31 PM
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    Foo /Sayonara

    What do you make of Jarrah's claim that NASA deliberately let the Challenger shuttle blow up on account of what Christa McAuliffe might report back regarding seeing stars in space?

    Surely even you guys you can't support that ridiculous JW claim too?................can you?

    edit on 25-10-2011 by Logical one because: (no reason given)



    posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 06:43 PM
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    Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter


    This "enemies list" included Weisner among twenty-one academics.[2] Other memos indicated that Nixon had ordered that MIT's subsidy be cut "in view of Weisner's anti-defense bias."


    There seems to be a relationship between Van Allen and Weisner.


    Wow....


    Van Allen was also against manned space travel as far as I recall.
    No wonder he was so quiet during Apollo.
    And no wonder he know defends it publicly.
    Didnt want to get on that enemy list!



    posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 06:45 PM
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    Originally posted by Ove38
    They are at Pinewood Film Studios. The Lunar Module created by Pinewood Studios in Buckinghamshire is now at the Science Museum in South Kensington, London



    Are you telling me you found proof of the LM at Pinewood studios?
    Now why would they have a copy of the LM in the UK??
    Wow.



    posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 06:51 PM
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    Originally posted by Logical one


    Starfish was by far the biggest and most significant of the artificial belts.

    The size of the artificial belts extend no more than 100 miles in an arc.......compared to 7,000 miles for the inner Van Allen belt.


    Thats nice, but that didnt answer the questions.



    posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 06:53 PM
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    Originally posted by FoosM
    Are you telling me you found proof of the LM at Pinewood studios?
    Now why would they have a copy of the LM in the UK??
    Wow.



    Why not??


    Apollo & the lunar landings are of great interst to people world wide.
    edit on 25-10-2011 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)



    posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 07:00 PM
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    Originally posted by Ove38

    Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter


    They are at Pinewood Film Studios. The Lunar Module created by Pinewood Studios in Buckinghamshire is now at the Science Museum in South Kensington, London



    No FREAKING way!


    "It was originally created by Pinewood Studios in Buckinghamshire by the set designers of ’Diamonds are Forever’, which features a chase sequence across a lunar set. After 30 years, the model had become slightly dilapidated and was almost removed from the exhibition. But a detailed restoration plan has seen the iconic replica returned to pristine condition."


    web.mac.com...

    That ties into DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER?
    *Mind blown*


    See my post here:
    www.abovetopsecret.com...



    posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 07:05 PM
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    I made a post about Frederick Ordway as well:




    on the 25th of September 1965, the director of NASA's Office of Manned Space Flight, George Mueller, and astronaut Deke Slayton arrived at the studios. When Mueller saw the amount of documentation Lange and I had brought with us from the States, he dubbed our office complex "NASA East". Once filming got under way, the number of visitors increased, with the result that some days I had to gather groups into one of the screening theatres for mass-audience briefings. From there, we would invariably go onto the sets.


    www.abovetopsecret.com...



    posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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    sorry - is this related to the OP in some way, or are we now just cataloging photos and replica's??


    edit on 25-10-2011 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)



    posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 07:24 PM
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    I dont see the lander...



    So why have a replica built?


    Re Diamonds are Forever the movie:

    Tiffany ends up in Circus Circus where she wins the diamonds…kind of. This whole part of the movie was pretty convoluted and didn’t make a whole lot of sense. Bond goes to see where the diamonds are processed and ends up in a moon lander, being chased through the desert. Don’t ask why this moon lander was there, but it was.


    Yeah... what was that scene for?


    On M's orders, J.B. is asked to sneak into Whyte's secret Nevada laboratories, to see whether there is a correlation between the worldwide diamond shortage and WW's nefarious scientific researches. J.B.'s presence is detected by agents of SPECTRE, and in fleeing the secret laboratory he strays into a strange hangar. The hangar houses a movie studio where, without explanation, we see a lunar module sitting on simulated moon surface, with a number of astronauts milling about the American flag in faux slow-motion. Unfazed, J.B. leaps onto the studio floor, jumps into the fake lunar rover and speeds off into the Nevada desert, cleverly evading Blofeld's goons.

    Together with Capricorn One and Sneakers, DAF is one of the few films which have alluded to the most way-out of way-out conspiracy theories, that the moon landing were faked, the TV feed all pre-recorded in a secret desert hangar. Indeed DAF is the only film which directly depicted NASA in pari delicto (Capricorn One featured a fake Mars landing; Sneakers only contained a passing dialogue reference).



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