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Young Aussie genius whipping NASA in Moon Hoax Debate!

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posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 03:13 AM
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NASA propaganda for Apollo 13. "Eat a sandwich and laugh about it"


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posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 03:32 AM
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"Apollo 13 ice cream guy in NASA propaganda"




posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 05:01 AM
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"Apollo 13 ice cream guy in NASA propaganda"


Appeal to ridicule.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 05:02 AM
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NASA propaganda for Apollo 13. "Eat a sandwich and laugh about it"


Appeal to ridicule.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 05:05 AM
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your entire post is appeal to ridicule.


Everything you have posted over the past two days, including your avatar, has been an appeal to ridicule. Your hypocrisy makes Dick Nixon look like a saint.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 05:40 AM
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Ed Nixon at Bellcomm hired Farouk El Baz in 1967. NASA contracted to Bellcomm in 1967 to catalogue and study the Lunar Orbiter photographs from 66-67.

Farouk El Baz was operating without a mandate within the NASA upper echelons during this time. NASA has a lot of fancy titles for Apollo managers but PI, principal investigator, is a hefty title. Farouk El Baz was a PI during Apollo and in his oral history he admits that he was also operating outside his mandates.


Farouk el Baz was an over-achiever. His diligence was rewarded. Do you have a problem with that?



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 06:03 AM
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Speaking of stars... how long of an exposure would you have to take to get stars in a picture, if you were in space, orbiting the moon, pointing your camera into deep space, away from the light of the moon and the earth and the sun... what are the exposure settings for a Hasselblad that would result in a picture that showed stars?


If they were using the Nikon with its ASA 1500 film, about 1 minute at f/5.6 would do the trick. The Hasselblad film was ASA 80, though, so we're talking about eight minutes at the same f-stop.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 06:12 AM
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Schmitt is slightly intoxicated with his own biased belief system which confuses "environmentalism" with a communist's agenda. Does his anti-communist, anti-environmentalist belief system get in the way of his scientific conclusions? Was he selected as an astronaut because of his rabid anti-communism?


You are slightly intoxicated with your own personal belief system which confuses ad hominem attacks against people whose political views you do not share with "historical evidence." Does your pro-communist, anti-human belief system get in the way of your historical conclusions? Schmitt was grudgingly selected as an astronaut because he was a geologist who already knew how to fly. It was a blatantly political move because the scientific community had been complaining that all of the candidates for the lunar landings were jet jockeys, not scientists.

By the way, your video link doesn't work.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Speaking of stars... how long of an exposure would you have to take to get stars in a picture, if you were in space, orbiting the moon, pointing your camera into deep space, away from the light of the moon and the earth and the sun... what are the exposure settings for a Hasselblad that would result in a picture that showed stars?


Go and try it out for yourself instead of asking for answers here. You wont believe the answers anyway.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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Yes, insidious propaganda.

Tasty, insidious propaganda.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by DJW001
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Ed Nixon at Bellcomm hired Farouk El Baz in 1967. NASA contracted to Bellcomm in 1967 to catalogue and study the Lunar Orbiter photographs from 66-67.

Farouk El Baz was operating without a mandate within the NASA upper echelons during this time. NASA has a lot of fancy titles for Apollo managers but PI, principal investigator, is a hefty title. Farouk El Baz was a PI during Apollo and in his oral history he admits that he was also operating outside his mandates.


Farouk el Baz was an over-achiever. His diligence was rewarded. Do you have a problem with that?


I wonder who else in the Apollo Program was operating outside their mandates, DJ?
Did you get a response from Never A Straight Answer regarding the email you sent them inquiring about the press conferences?



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by PsykoOps

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Speaking of stars... how long of an exposure would you have to take to get stars in a picture, if you were in space, orbiting the moon, pointing your camera into deep space, away from the light of the moon and the earth and the sun... what are the exposure settings for a Hasselblad that would result in a picture that showed stars?


Go and try it out for yourself instead of asking for answers here. You wont believe the answers anyway.


Did you examine the video that Phage posted? Why do you bother to take the time to post a response to my question with a NON-ANSWER?

When Richard Nixon flew in to KSC (he was on-site for about an hour) Apollo 12 launches into a "lightning storm".

Is it part of the NASA safety protocol to launch 3 astronauts and a billion dollar Saturn rocket into a lightning storm :p? Or did they launch because Nixon was there and ... NASA wanted to put on a good show for the president?

I thought NASA takes safety seriously in 1969. Just a few months earlier in 1969 there were at least 19 workers exposed to "moon dust" and they all had to be quarantined for safety reasons.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 03:18 PM
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You did not answer the question, SJ.


Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Did you examine the video that Phage posted? Why do you bother to take the time to post a response to my question with a NON-ANSWER?
He already told you; because he thinks you won't listen to his answer. I'd have to agree; you and FoosM tend to dismiss and creatively misinterpret anything us debunkers present, but not things presented by HBs or that you dig up for yourself. I spent several days just trying to get FoosM to tell us what the hull thickness of the Command Module was, and he never actually gave it, even point-blank refusing. Yet when I opened the question up to other HBs, it was answered in an hour or so. And then FoosM pretended it supported his side.


When Richard Nixon flew in to KSC (he was on-site for about an hour) Apollo 12 launches into a "lightning storm".
Are you claiming, SJ, that there was no lighting storm? That the lightning storm was somehow manufactured by NASA or the US government? If not, what connection are you trying to imply?


Is it part of the NASA safety protocol to launch 3 astronauts and a billion dollar Saturn rocket into a lightning storm :p? Or did they launch because Nixon was there and ... NASA wanted to put on a good show for the president?
Oh, so that's your point. What does this have to do with the moon landings? If, as FoosM argues, the radiation levels were too high to reach the moon safely, you are arguing in favor of NASA being prone to disregard safety standards, which actually makes it more likely they would've pushed through the radiation, risking astronauts lives, in order to reach the moon. Problem is, they had more than enough protection for even their overestimated amount of radiation exposure, which, IIRC, was publicly published prior to Apollo 11.


I thought NASA takes safety seriously in 1969. Just a few months earlier in 1969 there were at least 19 workers exposed to "moon dust" and they all had to be quarantined for safety reasons.
In other words, they took a safety measure. This is actually evidence against your claim of low safety standards.

I cannot find any source for this exposure claim. Please produce one.
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posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 04:31 PM
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000063 wrote :

You can spam "Nixon...Nixon...Nixon" all you like. It doesn't prove wrongdoing, chicanery, or misdeed

According to wiki :


Richard Milhous Nixon (January 9, 1913 – April 22, 1994) was the 37th President of the United States, serving from 1969 to 1974. The only president to resign the office.... ....he resigned in the face of almost certain impeachment and removal from office.


and


Though he presided over Apollo 11, the culmination of the project to land a person on the moon, he scaled back manned space exploration. He was reelected by a landslide in 1972.


Richard Nixon
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posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 05:53 PM
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You make an excellent point. Nixon was known for his underhanded political style and vengeful nature, famously keeping an "enemies list." (Which I, alas, was to young to be included in.) He has long been suspected of fabricating evidence in the Alger Hiss case. He would certainly not pass up an opportunity to blacken the reputation of former President Johnson if he were to discover that the Kennedy and Johnson administrations had been misappropriating funds to defraud the US public with a bogus "space program." By revealing this waste of taxpayer money, he could bolster his conservative credentials prior to spending his political capital on ending the war in Viet Nam. He would also derive great personal satisfaction in watching LBJ be hauled before a humiliating Congressional Inquiry and possibly even a Grand Jury. Best of all, the housecleaning at NASA would allow him to appoint his own political operatives to plum positions. Nixon couldn't possibly resist such a sweet deal, so why didn't he do it? Oh, wait... because the Apollo Program was the real deal. Nevermind.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 06:17 PM
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Nevermind ?

You know...that smells like teen spirit.....and teen spirit is fake (Deodorant)



listeners and critics have continued to praise "Smells Like Teen Spirit" as one of the greatest rock songs of all time.

:-)
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posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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NASA still required to send Schmitt to USAF jet pilot training..


At any rate, these six of us were then put in a position where we had to qualify as pilots. As everybody should know, everybody in the Apollo spacecraft really needed to operate as a pilot-astronaut as well as whatever else they might have been in their previous life. And so, four of us who had no previous pilot experience (or at least not jet pilot experience) were sent to Williams Air Force Base [Chandler, Arizona] for jet pilot training.


Was Schmitt's selection a matter of being in the right place at the right time?


Schmitt
Well, I was very lucky, very fortunate. And I think all the astronauts of that era, whatever they may say now, really were accidents. We happened to be at the right place at the right time.


Who is the person most responsible for giving Schmitt his final medical approval to fly to the moon?
William Randolph Lovelace II.


Schmitt
Well, I learned about my selection about 3 days before anybody else. And that was a result of a phone call from a consultant to NASA who was basically the head of aerospace medicine for NASA — Dr. [W.] Randolph Lovelace [II] — who had a clinic in Albuquerque [New Mexico]. I'd never met him before and, unfortunately, did not meet him afterwards. (He was killed as a result — or died as a result of an airplane accident about 6 months after this all happened.)


Did Dr. William Randolph Lovelace II ever work for the CIA? Yes he did. The CIA hired Lovelace to "run the U-2 pilots through an expanded testing regimen and to provide emergency medical services to Groom Lake..."
books.google.com...=onepage&q=randolph%20lovelace%20cia&f=f alse

Lovelace was already a CIA asset working in aerospace medical but he's also shown here in a declassified CIA memo dated June 25, 1965 revealing that :

Abstract:
Meeting of Soviet Major General Alexei Chizov with Dr. W. Randolph Lovelace II [at the meeting called at Chizov's urging, Gen. Chizov, Soviet Air Attach�, complained about US use of B-52's in Vietnam and about the US troop buildup there. He suggested that the US has a good "out" in the 1954 Geneva Agreement and that both sides should pull out of Vietnam. At an earlier meeting, Chizov had suggested that if the US were to stand down in Vietnam, it would give Moscow an opportunity to work its influence on Hanoi]. Ray Cline, Dep. Dir. (Intelligence), Memorandum, to McGeorge Bundy, Spec. Asst. to the Pres. for Nat. Security Affairs. June 25, 1965. 2 p. SECRET. Declassified Aug. 14, 1981. Johnson Library, NSF, Agencies, CIA, Vol. 2.

Source library.usask.ca...


Scmitt's comments on the international effort to study moon rocks... Schmitt is saying that the NASA committee was biased and selected internation labs on the basis that "we knew they would do a good job".


Schmitt:
And our committee specifically selected people from countries outside the United States, and maybe even biased our quality selection towards — a little bit towards some of those countries, where we knew investigators were of very high quality. Maybe they didn't have yet the equipment that had been funded by NASA in many of the laboratories in the United States. But nevertheless, we knew they would do a good job; and so we internationalized the sample analysis program. I think it was a very important contribution that Gene and that committee made.


Schmitt sure has some interesting ideas. He supports the "moon capture" theory, he quit his job at NASA over disagreements about the human causes of global warming, he believes that former Soviet communists have taken over the environmental movement!

One final thought, how and when did Dr. William "Randy" Randolph Lovelace II, die?

On March 20, 1964, Dr. William Randolph Lovelace II became NASA's Director of Space Medicine for the Office of Manned Space Flight. The crowning achievement of a long and distinguished career, Lovelace's new position was relatively short-lived. On December 12, 1965, Randy Lovelace died in a plane crash in Aspen, Colorado when his pilot became disoriented and flew into a blind canyon.


You can now stop pretending like the CIA wasn't involved in EVERY DETAIL of Apollo.



posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
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posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 06:04 AM
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They used wires and the revolving (or tilted) room trick to get the gravity effects in the NASA Apollo clips


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posted on Oct, 8 2011 @ 06:10 AM
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You can now stop pretending like the CIA wasn't involved in EVERY DETAIL of Apollo.


And given that the events you just described happened in 1965, you can now stop pretending that Dick Nixon had anything to do with it.



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