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Young Aussie genius whipping NASA in Moon Hoax Debate!

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posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 07:04 AM
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Al Worden's interview on Coast to Coast is kind of interesting. He says he orbited the moon 75 times, when he was on the dark side of the moon, he could see so many stars. Of course he never thinks to take a nicely exposed picture of these stars with one of the many cameras on board the Endeavor command module.


www.nasaimages.org...:Apollo-15-Zodiacal-light-views




posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 07:12 AM
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You're starting to sound a tad egotistical IMO..


I thought your job was to be completely neutral and point out when people were starring each other for making silly posts. Sayanara and FoosM have spent nearly two days doing that and you have said nothing. I, on the other hand, am genuinely asking them which of their many red herrings they want me to respond to. They have completely evaded the very simple question as to whether or not they eat meat. It's a simple yes or no question. Why do they refuse to answer it?



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 08:14 AM
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How can you or anyone else claim that the 1970's public were losing interest in Apollo when the glaring fact is that NASA stopped having post-splashdown press conferences after Apollo 11


Can you document that statement?



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 08:18 AM
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Clinton's rock is only claimed to be a moon rock. That could change *after* the rock has been examined in a lab. Until then it could be volcanic basalt plucked from Hawaii or a lunar meteorite snatched from Antarctica. There is nothing about Clinton's rock that proves it is a moon rock.

Show me the Provenance!


Why don't you actually follow up on this, the way I am with the Apollo press conferences. Why don't you start by e-mailing whoever is looking after Bill's stuff and ask if you can arrange to have it tested. Then take it to a lab. Why not? Are you just lazy... or afraid?



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
 



How can you or anyone else claim that the 1970's public were losing interest in Apollo when the glaring fact is that NASA stopped having post-splashdown press conferences after Apollo 11


Can you document that statement?


Document what exactly? If its regarding to public support for the missions, I have already done so in this thread.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
 



Clinton's rock is only claimed to be a moon rock. That could change *after* the rock has been examined in a lab. Until then it could be volcanic basalt plucked from Hawaii or a lunar meteorite snatched from Antarctica. There is nothing about Clinton's rock that proves it is a moon rock.

Show me the Provenance!


Why don't you actually follow up on this, the way I am with the Apollo press conferences. Why don't you start by e-mailing whoever is looking after Bill's stuff and ask if you can arrange to have it tested. Then take it to a lab. Why not? Are you just lazy... or afraid?


Riiiiight. Not the same thing DJ. One is simply asking a question, the other is pursuing an investigation.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by backinblack
 



You're starting to sound a tad egotistical IMO..


I, on the other hand, am genuinely asking them which of their many red herrings they want me to respond to.


LOL


Why dont you first identify our red herrings and explain why you think they are red herrings?



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
 



Al Worden's interview on Coast to Coast is kind of interesting. He says he orbited the moon 75 times, when he was on the dark side of the moon, he could see so many stars. Of course he never thinks to take a nicely exposed picture of these stars with one of the many cameras on board the Endeavor command module.


www.nasaimages.org...:Apollo-15-Zodiacal-light-views


I think the key here is:



nicely exposed picture of these stars



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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Barbara Cohen, Recent Improvements to Selenochronology by Samples and Missions
(after her official presentation is over the Q&A section is where we discover that there is an implicit understanding amongst the attendees that THERE ARE SERIOUS ISSUES CONCERNING THE PROVENANCE OF APOLLO MOON ROCK SAMPLES)


Thank you for sharing this link. Anyone who views the question and answer session can tell that all of the scientists posing these questions clearly are of the opinion that the materials returned from the Moon are lunar in origin. The question of provenance refers to where on the Moon the materials were formed. Loose rocks could be ejecta from an impact event, ejecta from a volcanic event or meteoric in origin. One of the central problems in selenochronology is determining whether the materials in question represent the original crust of the planet, an upwelling of deeper material or a bit of passing, unrelated solar system debris. This is what is meant by "provenance." So much good research has been done in the past forty years that scientists are no longer asking basic questions, like how much aluminum and iron does the Moon contain, but much deeper, more detailed questions about the various geological processes that have been at work on the Moon at various epochs. Here is a link to Cohen's speech. The Q&A starts around 18:00:

connect.arc.nasa.gov...



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 08:47 AM
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Document what exactly? If its regarding to public support for the missions, I have already done so in this thread.


Sayanara explicitly stated as fact that there were no post-flight press conferences after Apollo 11. I am challenging him to prove that statement.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 08:48 AM
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Riiiiight. Not the same thing DJ. One is simply asking a question, the other is pursuing an investigation.


Which is which? Are you admitting that hoax propagandists just ask questions but refuse to actually investigate?



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
what do you make of big muley ? what about the zaps ?


Fake and faker?


based on what exactly. can you document the study done on muley specifically that came to that conclusion ? and of course I'm sure it is a peer reviewed study, and not a youtube video.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 09:32 AM
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Why dont you first identify our red herrings and explain why you think they are red herrings?


www.abovetopsecret.com...

Aldrin is a celebrity. What does his personal life have to do with anything?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Ditto.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Just a tad off-topic.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

What does Biosat have to do with the materiality of the lunar landings? It was an arbitrary, gratuitous and hypocritical attempt by Sayanara to smear NASA. Shoddy, transparent propaganda... but what do you expect from someone who comes from a country where the entire population is descended from prostitutes, Jarrah included. See... I just did what he did and it only makes me look ugly. Sayanara is doing great work making the hoax propagandists look like rabid fanatics.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

What evidence did that little rant establish?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Evasion and shoddy propaganda.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is one of my favorites. Why did you bring up MOL? Do you actually believe that MOL was a real project? You've swallowed the disinformation campaign hook, line and sinker if you do. One would think that with your ability to sniff out a hoax, you would have spotted all the flaws in the MOL story in an instant.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So what?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Pretty sure we've already "done" Antarctica here before.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Spam, spam, spam, spam....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Why don't you find out, or design and submit a protocol?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Sayanara just doesn't know when to quit, does he?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Not the "radiation argument" again! The spacecraft is the shielding. The skin is shielding. The instruments are shielding. The couches are shielding. The cameras are shielding. The food lockers are shielding. The fuel tanks are shielding....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I thought you wanted to discuss Jarrah's rock videos. Why this sudden renewed interest in radiation?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Back to "missing telemetry tapes" again? What about Jarrah's video?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Wait... now its about landing unmanned craft on the Moon?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Now it's about historic preservation?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So... why didn't Worden spill the beans?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

More sloppy propaganda from Sayanara.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Oh dear. Not this again. They had practice, PPK.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And we're back to the freaking "no stars" argument! Now which of these scattered pellets do you want me to address first?



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by FoosM
 



Why dont you first identify our red herrings and explain why you think they are red herrings?


www.abovetopsecret.com...

Aldrin is a celebrity. What does his personal life have to do with anything?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Ditto.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Just a tad off-topic.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

What does Biosat have to do with the materiality of the lunar landings? It was an arbitrary, gratuitous and hypocritical attempt by Sayanara to smear NASA. Shoddy, transparent propaganda... but what do you expect from someone who comes from a country where the entire population is descended from prostitutes, Jarrah included. See... I just did what he did and it only makes me look ugly. Sayanara is doing great work making the hoax propagandists look like rabid fanatics.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

What evidence did that little rant establish?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Evasion and shoddy propaganda.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is one of my favorites. Why did you bring up MOL? Do you actually believe that MOL was a real project? You've swallowed the disinformation campaign hook, line and sinker if you do. One would think that with your ability to sniff out a hoax, you would have spotted all the flaws in the MOL story in an instant.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So what?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Pretty sure we've already "done" Antarctica here before.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Spam, spam, spam, spam....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Why don't you find out, or design and submit a protocol?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Sayanara just doesn't know when to quit, does he?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Not the "radiation argument" again! The spacecraft is the shielding. The skin is shielding. The instruments are shielding. The couches are shielding. The cameras are shielding. The food lockers are shielding. The fuel tanks are shielding....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I thought you wanted to discuss Jarrah's rock videos. Why this sudden renewed interest in radiation?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Back to "missing telemetry tapes" again? What about Jarrah's video?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Wait... now its about landing unmanned craft on the Moon?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Now it's about historic preservation?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So... why didn't Worden spill the beans?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

More sloppy propaganda from Sayanara.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Oh dear. Not this again. They had practice, PPK.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And we're back to the freaking "no stars" argument! Now which of these scattered pellets do you want me to address first?


LOL! Sayanara... You've been PWNED!

IRM



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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DJ accused us of throwing out red herrings.

A red herring is

diverting attention away from an item of significance; (or introducing) a false protagonist



Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by FoosM
 



Why dont you first identify our red herrings and explain why you think they are red herrings?


www.abovetopsecret.com...

Aldrin is a celebrity. What does his personal life have to do with anything?


How is this a red herring?
He is one of the main protagonists in the hoax.
We need to know as much as possible about him, and not was is cleaned up and sold to the public.




www.abovetopsecret.com...

Just a tad off-topic.


No, it was in line with the conversation. Actually, I brought it back on topic as I focused it back to the moon landing.




www.abovetopsecret.com...

What does Biosat have to do with the materiality of the lunar landings?




The question at issue is why NASA is torturing monkeys in June of 1969 when Apollo 8 had already showed humans going to the moon and back...? The A8 astronauts returned in superb health did they not?


Dont see how that is a Red Herring. Its a valid question.

The rest pretty much the same.
All you did was go through the last pages and call all the points we brought
up "Red Herrings". Your post calling our posts is a actually a "Red Herring" .
Instead of debating the points, you prefer to distract other readers by making generalizations.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by FoosM
 



Document what exactly? If its regarding to public support for the missions, I have already done so in this thread.


Sayanara explicitly stated as fact that there were no post-flight press conferences after Apollo 11. I am challenging him to prove that statement.


What!? You are the one assumes they exists. None of us cant find them. So if you know a source where to watch these conferences then just say so. Probably what has happened is that you asked NASA for these post flight press conferences and you came up craps. Now you want SJ to prove a negative.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 02:47 PM
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What!? You are the one assumes they exists. None of us cant find them.


Hmmmm...



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by jra

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
The two GRAIL satellites are measuring gravity anomalies on the moon by measuring the distance between the satellites using lazers....


GRAIL does not have a laser.


It appears that you are correct. I cant find anything on these missions carrying a laser.
Maybe SJ confused it with another mission.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:02 PM
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It appears that you are correct. I cant find anything on these missions carrying a laser.
Maybe SJ confused it with another mission.


That was very gracious of you. Have a star.



posted on Sep, 25 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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Part of the Apollo 12 press conference can be found here. You should watch the whole video but 0:40:00 would be a good place to start.
www.youtube.com...

You might want to listen to what Godwin says beginning around 00:42:00. Just because you can't find it on the internet doesn't mean it doesn't exist.



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