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Young Aussie genius whipping NASA in Moon Hoax Debate!

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posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 04:41 AM

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Nixon's Eyes Wide Shut

You think Nixon was behind the elimination of the Kennedy's?
And then was in position to take credit for JFK's goals of landing men on the moon?
Twisted man.

posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 04:57 AM

In the manufacture of consent for its policies and practices abroad, the power elite of the American Empire—the dominant corporate, military, and political sectors—depends heavily on the arts of propaganda and public diplomacy. To be sure, the fist of force always lies in reserve for the recalcitrant, a fact to which recent history in Afghanistan and Iraq attests. Nonetheless, shaping public attitudes towards the means and ends of US foreign policy has proven an efficient standard practice for the expansion of global domination... a key component of the American project to shape world opinion: the US Information Agency (USIA).

We all (Hoax believers an Apollogists alike) know Apollo was a propaganda stunt. Not only to appease Americans that their nation was scientifically capable to meet the Soviets. But also, to show scientific superiority abroad. And the USIA was instrumental, to this day, in doing so. Lets look at its background:

...Created in 1955, state elites designed the USIA as an element of public diplomacy in the Cold War milieu. The mission of the agency was to present to contested parts of the world an idealized image of America that would promote foreign support for the economic and political aims of the United States. Dizard contends that until the USIA, America had no global propaganda system... Pearl Harbor made a big world seem much smaller. In response, US elites built a global communications apparatus.

The path to the USIA was a blend of international restructuring, historical conjuncture, the evolving configuration of intelligence and propaganda networks, and the personalities of leaders and sponsors. The Office of War Information (OWI) established the Voice of America (VOA) shortwave news service in February to take advantage of new communications technologies that had emerged from WWI. The overseas component of the OWI was the USIS. Nelson A. Rockefeller pushed the Roosevelt administration to embrace a larger role in the struggle against the Nazis, especially in checking their growing influence in the southern hemisphere of the Americas. Through the Office of the Coordinator of Inter-American Affairs (OCIA), which Rockefeller ran out of the State Department, the United States distributed pro-American press throughout South America and the Caribbean. Dizard credits Rockefeller with having devised the template for the USIA,the purpose of which was to penetrate Europe with pro-American propaganda in a fashion similar to US American operations.A related effort was the Coordinator of Information (COI),also created by Roosevelt in 1941. This agency morphed into the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) in 1942. The COI and OSS represented the first institutional steps towards the creation of the Central Intelligence Agency.

The principal activity of the US propaganda efforts during the late 1940s and 1950s was to counter what President Harry Truman called “imperialistic communism” and its “propaganda of slavery.” In 1948, Truman signed into law the Smith-Mundt Act, which established ideological operations as a permanent part of US foreign policy. Legislative backing played a vital role in legitimating Truman’s “Campaign of Truth,” a propaganda offensive coordinating the information services of the United States and other capitalist countries. This direction figured into the design of psychological operations that accompanied the creation of the National Security Council and the CIA in 1947. The academic community, including research units at MIT, Harvard, and Columbia, joined with the government intelligence community in designing psychological operations, in turn contributing to the development of the public opinion and public relations industry.

When Eisenhower formally consolidated the various propaganda agencies in under the name USIA, the US commercial media, which was likewise extending its influence over world markets, moved to coordinate its activities even more closely with the government. The goal of the public and private mix of information was to shape cultural attitudes and present the United States, its products and services, as an attractive alternative to communism, as well as foster the development of business climates favorable to overseas investment. USIA and corporate propaganda targeted Asia, Africa, and the Middle East, countries with which, according to Dizard, the United States had limited previous cultural engagement. The USIA used several methods to preach the gospel of Americanism abroad, including shortwave radio, leaflets, magazines, news bulletins, pamphlets, a worldwide library network, exhibits on American life, and exchange programs. The activities of the USIA overlapped with the DOD and CIA, and USIA subsidies were vital in helping US media corporations establish firms in foreign countries.

So, DOD, CIA, USIA are all interconnected.

posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 05:17 AM

During the Kennedy years, elites restructured the USIA to keep pace with rapidly changing world realities and to reflect a unified ideological response to Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev’s declaration of “wars of national liberation.” According to the US intelligence establishment, the USSR was sponsoring communists and left-wing guerrilla groups throughout the periphery of the capitalist world economy. Propagandists depicted global communism as a red army on the march. The US responded to the Soviet threat with modernization theory, a set of assumptions that posited that the infusion of Western ideals and values would, if adopted, catapult the backward peoples of the undeveloped world into modernity. The USIA scaled back operations in Europe and Japan and stepped up activities in the periphery to advance the offensive. As a point of comparison, Dizard documents that in the USIA had twenty-four posts in thirteen African countries. Four years later, there were fifty-five posts in thirty-three countries on the African continent. To give its propaganda operations more polish, the Kennedy administration brought CBS documentarian Edward R. Murrow on board. Murrow believed the agency should not just inform but persuade. He oversaw propaganda operations during such tense moments as Operation Mongoose, the covert program to sabotage the Castro regime in Cuba, the disastrous Bay of Pigs incident, where CIA-trained exiles attempted to overthrow the Cuban government, and the Cuban missile crisis in 1962, in which the Soviet Union endeavored to build missile sites in Cuba.

During the 1960s and 1970s, the USIA took advantage of several opportunities and struggled with many challenges. The agency successfully exploited the triumphs of the Apollo space program to project the image of a strong America abroad.

Advancements in civil rights, however ineffective these were in dealing with the racist heart of America, allowed USIA propagandists to claim victory in the struggle for racial justice, which the Declaration of Human Rights had made an explicit priority in . The always-present specter of nuclear holocaust continued to present problems for the USIA; the agency confronted a world that understood the problem of nuclear weapons through the prisms of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The scandalous Nixon administration and the appointment of the ideologically-driven Frank Shakespeare to the USIA, which caused the agency’s objectivity to come into question, presented still more challenges. In response to the ideological bent of the agency under Nixon, Jimmy Carter moved to curtail the USIA’s propaganda efforts by suppressing activities he deemed “covert, manipulative, or propagandistic,” and renaming the agency as the US International Communications Agency. Carter’s attempt to steer the agency back towards its original mission—as objective information disseminating agency—would be short lived.

So we can see the USIA went full blown into propaganda. Under which the Apollo missions fell.

When U.S. astronauts landed on the moon for the first time, it was the Voice of America, the radio service of USIA, that carried Neil Armstrong's words to millions here on earth.

As part of its mission to inform foreign publics of American achievements, the U.S. Information Agency (USIA) acquainted worldwide audiences with NASA activities through regular reporting of Space Shuttle flights in the daily Washington File and on Voice of America news broadcasts. Voice of America also held a live broadcast with astronauts during an Atlantis-Mir linkup. The Worldnet television service brought live interviews with astronauts in space to audiences in Africa and Latin America. For every Shuttle docking with the space station Mir, USIA officers in Moscow sent media advisories to American journalists in Moscow and organized their access to the Star City facility. Worldnet's Newsfile series carried more than 100 stories featuring NASA activities during the year. Many of these received widespread placement on television stations around the world. USIA also continued to distribute independently produced video programs about NASA's work, such as "Exploring the World Beyond" and "Lift-off to Learning."

This is controlled media. Controlled information.
When Apollogists make claims why people have not come forward regarding the Apollo hoax, how could they with a vast, worldwide propaganda machine daily at work?
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posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 06:38 AM
reply to post by FoosM

Where, in this lengthy cut and paste extravaganza, is there any evidence against the lunar landings? Clearly, this is an indirect confession that you are unable to find any direct evidence whatsoever, and are now making lame excuses. If you cannot find any evidence, why not just admit defeat and concede the "debate?"
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posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 07:09 AM

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by FoosM

Where, in this lengthy cut and paste extravaganza, is there any evidence against the lunar landings? Clearly, this is an indirect confession that you are unable to find any direct evidence whatsoever, and are now making lame excuses. If you cannot find any evidence, why not just admit defeat and concede the "debate?"
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I don't seem to recall anyone showing 100% proof that they did land yet.

But I do think the thread has been done to death..
All it is now is a star feast as I've stated before..

If anything new comes along then a new thread sounds like a good idea IMO..

posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 08:44 AM

This flight to the Moon received great scrutiny. “This is the greatest week in the history of the world since Creation,” President Richard M. Nixon enthused upon greeting the Apollo 11 crew when they returned from the Moon. Christopher Flournoy recalled that as a five-year-old when the mission occurred he may not have understood much of what took place but nonetheless was excited by the experience. He remembered his father saying that “he was never more proud of being an American than on the day our flag flew on the Moon.”

One seven-year-old boy from San Juan, Puerto Rico, said of the first Moon landing: “I kept racing between the TV and the balcony and looking at the Moon to see if I could see them on the Moon.” As a fifteen-year-old I sat with friends on the hood of a car looking at the Moon and listening to the astronauts on it. These experiences were typical. “One small step,” hardly; Neil Armstrong nailed it with the second phrase of his famous statement, “one giant leap for mankind.”

The flight of Apollo 11 met with an ecstatic reaction around the globe, as everyone shared in the success of the astronauts. The front pages of newspapers everywhere suggested how strong the enthusiasm was. NASA estimated that because of nearly worldwide radio and television coverage, more than half the population of the planet was aware of the events of Apollo 11. Although the Soviet Union tried to jam Voice of America radio broadcasts most living there and in other countries learned about the adventure and followed it carefully.

Lets take a look at the effect of this mission and Voice of America around the world:


Five thousand Hungarians walked through American Embassy in
Budapest July 21, picking up pamphlet usiaMan on the Moon.

In Romania, bouquets were tossed through U.S. Embassy fence to
foot of flagpole and several Romanians reported large numbers of
Bulgarians were crossing border to watch live TV coverage of
Apollo 11.

Cuban government decided not to jam Voice of America broadcast
of Apollo 11 lunar landing. In Algiers news was ignored except for
announcement in government-controlled newspaper that "the man is
on the moon." In Ghana, village chief listening to voa broadcast
feared astronauts might fall off moon if not careful.

In Bangkok, freedom for 622 pardoned prisoners was delayed be-
cause guards refused to leave TV sets showing Apollo 11.

Lunar landing stole top play in Israel and Egypt, from accounts of
their fierce fighting at Suez Canal.

In Singapore, girl born half hour after lunar landing was named
Luna. In Pakistan, boy baby was named Apollo.

Prime Minister, Mrs. Indira Gandhi, and Indian Parliament gave
standing ovation to Apollo 11 astronauts at opening of day's business
in New Delhi July 21.

In Japan, Emperor Hirohito called off customary daily stroll and
interrupted lunch to watch Apollo 11 on TV.

Iroquois Indians in Brantford, Ontario, Canada, feared lunar land-
ing might plunge earth into darkness and release monsters from
earth's core. Their medicine man and chief, Joseph Logan, Jr., had
said moon was sacred to his people and "we are not supposed to dis-
turb her."

In Taipei, Formosa, Nationalist China Parliament member Hsieh
Jen-chao invited Apollo 11 astronauts to attend Moon Festival honor-
ing rabbit which Chinese legend said lived on moon and could provide
eternal life.

Some devout Moslems in Somalia refused to believe Apollo 11
lunar landing was reality. Following radio, press, and word-of-mouth
announcement, fist fights broke out July 21 in Mogadiscio streets
between believers and disbelievers.
Parents of baby boy born on lunar
landing day broke with Muslim tradition and named child Armstrong
Abdurahman Osman.

In Brussels workers in radio and TV studios suspended strike dur-
ing transmission of Apollo 11 mission film.

In Brazil several thousand persons cheered as they witnessed tele-
vised lunar landing at Museum of Modern Art in Rio de Janeiro while
church bells rang outside. In Santiago de Chile people rushed out of
restaurants to look at moon, forgetting it was midafternoon when
they learned of lunar landing.

While rest of world focused on lunar landing, one quarter of world's
population labored through sixth moon of Chinese lunar year unaware
of event. Approximately 800 million people in Communist China had
heard no news of lunar landing.
Only deviation from "total blackout
on space exploration" was July 17 story of Astronaut Frank Borman's
visit to Moscow, reported by New China News Agency.

Nixon had to solve that issue.
"I think I need to make a trip to China..."

posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 09:13 AM
reply to post by FoosM

This flight to the Moon received great scrutiny.

Great scrutiny. It seems only Islamic fanatics found anything wrong with it. What does any of this have to do with Jarrah White and his deliberate lies and attacks? Are you implying that Jarrah is churning out propaganda like the USIA? If so, you're flattering him. Most of what the USIA provided overseas was true. Nothing that Jarrah says is.

posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 11:12 AM
Some here claimed there was animosity between the Russians and the Americans.
This article says otherwise. That is, if you believe in the propaganda?

A View from Moscow

I arrived in Moscow as a correspondent for The New York Times in February 1969, and was named bureau chief in July. This was Cold War Moscow, where the KGB kept tabs on all Western correspondents, and news--except for that provided by Tass, the official Soviet news agency, and the various Communist Party-controlled newspapers and journals--was hard to come by.

So, needless to say, I was curious to see how the Soviets would report what was sure to be one of humankind's greatest achievements: the landing of men on the moon planned for later that month by the United States, the Soviet Union's superpower nemesis.


The mood in the Soviet capital in 1969 was tense.

Nevertheless, Americans were regarded positively by most Russians, many of whom remembered the U.S.'s role in defeating the Germans in World War II, and who generally liked the few Americans they met. It also helped that there were no crises involving Washington and Moscow at the time.

But it became clear that the planned July launch of Apollo 11 for the moon was going to be a problem for the Soviet Union. Like the U.S., it had turned the exploration of space into a kind of Cold War Olympics.

American journalists in Moscow at the time, myself included, had no idea how desperate the Soviet Union was to salvage some prestige from its faltering space program. (In fact, it was only after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 that we learned that the Soviets had tried to send a cosmonaut to the moon, but the rockets repeatedly failed in preliminary tests.)

Correspondents from European Communist Party publications based in Moscow had been telling their American colleagues for some time that the Soviets were planning a "surprise," and on July 13, out of the blue, Tass announced that an unmanned Soviet craft named Luna 15 was on its way to the moon. This prompted speculation both in Moscow and at Cape Kennedy that the Soviets were trying to steal Apollo 11's thunder by having Luna 15 land on the moon, scoop up some moon rock or soil, and return to Earth. (After the Soviet Union's demise, Russian scientists confirmed that this, indeed, had been the goal.)

In my front page story on July 14, I reported that the launch was seen by "observers here as a deliberate effort by the Soviet Union to steal some of the moon publicity away from the U.S. and demonstrate that it is still very much in the space business."

The initial announcement was followed by a deafening silence from Tass and Baikonur, the Soviet space base in Kazakhstan: For three days there were no updates about Luna 15.

On July 16, I listened on shortwave radio, along with other Americans in Moscow, to theVoice of America, the broadcast news service from the U.S., as it described the launch of Apollo 11. Moscow TV remained silent about its own moon mission, but it did run five minutes of tape from Cape Kennedy a couple of hours after Apollo 11's launch. And while that five minutes of tape seems very grudging, at the time it was highly unusual for Soviet TV to show any footage from the U.S. that was positive in tone.

James F. Clarity, my Times colleague in Moscow, reported that a young woman on the street gave a thumbs up when asked about the moon landing, and many other ordinary Russians shared the world's sense of accomplishment. The Soviet Union offered official praise. Pravda, the Communist Party paper, put it on the front page, and for a day or two, there was a pleasant truce in the Cold War.

I have a personal footnote to this story. Page One of The New York Times of July 21, 1969--with a big banner headline, "Men Walk on Moon"--is one of the most "historic" front pages, reprinted in countless books and commemorative editions.


In the first edition of that day's paper, which I have never seen, my story about Luna 15's being just 10 miles from the moon was in the lower right corner of the front page, which would have ensured me some kind of journalistic immortality,

But by the time the later edition (the one that is always reproduced, including in this article) came out, my story was moved inside the paper, and a poem by Archibald MacLeish, "Voyage to the Moon," had taken its place on Page One. My little version of poetic injustice.

We have to look at the whole spectrum of the moonlanding hoax.
How could so many people be duped?
We now see that the US via the USIA coordinated an effort to make the US look good. Powerful. Advanced.
So that previously unbelievable feats, like landing on the moon, began to seem plausible.

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posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:38 PM

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

This is how NASA does science. They tortured a monkey and a few weeks later Apollo 11 lands on the Moon.

And thats why we get articles like these:

Nasa to irradiate monkeys to study effects of long space trips on humans
Little research has been done on this sort of long-term exposure to low doses of radiation.
Rats and mice have been exposed to this sort of radiation before, but that gives only a hint of what the effects would be on humans.
Eleanor Blakely, a biophysicist at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, said: "Obviously, the closer we get to man, the better."

What did NASA actually use the monkeys for if not to study radiation out past LEO?

The space agency has previously used 17 primates, mainly chimpanzees, to test the effects of launch G-forces and microgravity on humans, among other things.

Exactly what one might need if they would conduct extended LEO trips.

posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 12:42 PM

Originally posted by DJW001

Are you implying that Jarrah is churning out propaganda like the USIA? If so, you're flattering him. Most of what the USIA provided overseas was true. Nothing that Jarrah says is.

Hey! Wow, looks like we have here an expert on the USIA.
You wouldn't be working for them would you DJW001?

Now tell me, you said "Most of what the USIA provided overseas was true." Which means they lied about SOME things. Tell us what they lied about.

posted on Sep, 12 2011 @ 06:48 PM

Originally posted by FoosMHey! Wow, looks like we have here an expert on the USIA.
You wouldn't be working for them would you DJW001?

And when all else fails... Accuse people of being part of the conspiracy.

Credibility: Zero

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 02:44 AM

Originally posted by FoosM

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Nixon's Eyes Wide Shut

You think Nixon was behind the elimination of the Kennedy's?
And then was in position to take credit for JFK's goals of landing men on the moon?
Twisted man.

Well I'm not making big statements like that. Just establishing some facts. Like answering the questions:

Where was Nixon during the Apollo 11 launch?
And why didn't he go to the launch at Kennedy Space Center to be present for - what is frequently claimed to be - "Mankind's Greatest Achievement".

He had to have good reasons. And thanks to Google News and Nixon's Presidential Diary we have found the answers to those questions. It's always a good thing to add historical context; whether it be understanding Apollo in the context of the Cold War... or to understand Apollo from the perspective of Richard Nixon.

Nixon knew that Monday, July 21st was going to be a very spectacular news day. Buried beneath the huge Apollo headlines, page after page of Apollo coverage, was the death of Mary Jo Kopechne on the Friday night, July 18th, 1969.

But there was another suspicious death in the United States before the Apollo splashdown occurred in the Pacific Ocean on July 24th. Slain civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. had a younger brother who went by the name A.D. King.

On July 21, 1969, nine days before his 39th birthday, A. D. King was found dead in the swimming pool at his home after a long bout with alcohol and depression[3]. The cause of his death was listed as an accidental drowning.

Many people might argue that Nixon was a goon and he hired goons and "couldn't handle a simple burglary".

I would immediately counter-argue that The Watergate break-in was a cover, Nixon did not want to be caught, to leave office after committing such atrocities as the Viet Nam war and the Apollo mind control program.. his involvement with JFK assassination and the numerous other examples of his corruption, up to and possibly including the murders of Mary Jo Kopechne and attempted murder of Ted Kennedy.

Nixon was a paranoid. He needed to get out of the White House quickly under the circumstances of a petty crook, not as a killer, not an assassin, not as a war criminal, not as the guy who gives the go-ahead for the Apollo Propaganda Project.

He leaves the presidency as a petty crook. This is a motive. This is why all the Apollo Moon Landings occurred under Richard Nixon's presidency.

Take a look also at the crucial changes of top leadership at NASA from the Apollo 1 fire to the Apollo 8 lunar expedition. This is why GE's Thomas O. Paine is brought into NASA in 1967 as deputy Administrator. This is why Webb leaves suddenly mere days before Apollo 8 launches to the moon. This is why Nixon nominates Paine in March 69. This why Shakespeare drops CBS to work for Nixon's overseas propaganda agency USIA at the crucial time.

The Sacred Apollo Scriptures tell us something about what happened up there. Other historical records of the time period also tell us what happened. ($250,000 Westinghouse cameras). My aim, as should be the aim of every Apollo skeptic, is to reconstruct what really happened up there... we do this for the sake of human history.

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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:02 AM
Nixon has the 3 astronauts trapped in a Mobile Quarantine Facility.

Nixon: Nell, Buzz, and Mike. I want you to know that I think I'm luckiest man in the world. And I say this not only because I have the honor to be President of the United States, but particularly because I have the privilege of speaking for so many in welcoming you back to Earth. I could tell you about all the messages we received in Washington. Over one hundred foreign governments, Emperors, and Presidents and Prime Ministers and Kings have sent the most warm messages that we have ever received. They represent over 2 billion people on this Earth. All of them who have had the opportunity through television to see what you have done. And then I also bring you messages from members of the Cabinet and members of the Senate and members of the House and Space Agency. And in the streets of San Francisco where people stopped me a few days ago, and you all love that city, I know, as I do. But most important, I had a telephone call yesterday. The toll wasn't, incidentally, as great as the one I made to you fellows on the Moon. (Laughter) I made that collect, just in case you didn't know. But I called the three of, in my view, three of the greatest ladies and most courageous ladies in the whole world today, your wives. And from Jan and Joan and Pat, I bring their love and their congratulations. We think that it is just wonderful that they could have participated, at least through television, in this return; we're only sorry they couldn't be here. And also, I've got to let you in on a little secret - I made a date with them. (Laughter) I invited them to dinner on the 13th of August, right after you come out of quarantine. It will be a state dinner held in Los Angeles. The governors of all the fifty States will be there, the ambassadors, others from around the world and in America. And they told me that you would come too. And all I want to know - will you come? We want to honor you then.

Armstrong: We'll do anything you say, Mr. President. Just anything.


Just to be clear. Nixon has the 3 astronauts trapped in a Mobile Quarantine Facility.

Nixon's real thoughts about San Fransisco.

But it's not just the ratty part of town. The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time — it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine, with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco.
Decorators. They got to do something. But we don't have to glorify it. You know one of the reasons fashions have made women look so terrible is because the goddamned designers hate women. Designers taking it out on the women. Now they're trying to get some more sexy things coming on again.
Tapes from 1971 as presented in "All the Philosopher King's Men" by James Warren in Harper's Magazine (February 2000) Source

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And establishing Nixon's credibility with regard to these statements is this photo.

July 23, 1967: Reagan, Glenn T. Seaborg and Nixon at breakfast at Owls Nest Camp, Bohemian Grove, a 2,700-acre campground owned by a private San Francisco-based men's art club known as the Bohemian Club. In mid-July each year, the Club hosts a three-week encampment of some of the most powerful men in the world. The feeling of the place was documented in the poem, "Johnson's Cabinet Watched by Ants" by Robert Bly, first published in The Nation in 1968. Source

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posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:28 AM

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by FoosM

This flight to the Moon received great scrutiny.

Great scrutiny. It seems only Islamic fanatics found anything wrong with it. What does any of this have to do with Jarrah White and his deliberate lies and attacks? Are you implying that Jarrah is churning out propaganda like the USIA? If so, you're flattering him. Most of what the USIA provided overseas was true. Nothing that Jarrah says is.

The USIA was responsible for getting the message of Apollo out to under-developed countries and countries which were determined to be under-served by American propaganda efforts.

Nixon appointed a 20 year executive of CBS to manage the USIA.

Do you deny these historical facts DJ?

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 06:56 AM
reply to post by FoosM

Hey! Wow, looks like we have here an expert on the USIA.
You wouldn't be working for them would you DJW001?

You know so much about propaganda. Who are you working for?

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 07:00 AM
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

The USIA was responsible for getting the message of Apollo out to under-developed countries and countries which were determined to be under-served by American propaganda efforts.

Nixon appointed a 20 year executive of CBS to manage the USIA.

Do you deny these historical facts DJ?

The USIA was also responsible for broadcasting American pop music, sports scores and international developments censored by the state controlled media of the totalitarian countries they targeted. Were these hoaxes cooked up at the highest level too?

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:25 PM

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by FoosM

Hey! Wow, looks like we have here an expert on the USIA.
You wouldn't be working for them would you DJW001?

You know so much about propaganda. Who are you working for?

So you are not denying it?
Please tell us what the USIA lied about, Apollo?

You know they also were the ones who sponsored trips?

On July 24, 1969 the three astronauts returned to Earth. After being released from a
21-day quarantine, they embarked on another journey. The celebrations began in New York
City on August 14, 1969 with a massive tickertape parade along the "Canyon of Heroes,"
Broadway and Park Avenue to City Hall and United Nations headquarters.

The US victory lap continued westward with a huge party with President Nixon and many
Hollywood stars at the Century Plaza Hotel in Los Angeles CA. President Richard Nixon
authorized their use of the presidential aircraft (Boeing VC-137B - modified 707, tail
number 86970) for this round-the-world astronaut Goodwill Tour designated as "Project
Giantstep" and dubbed the "Giant Leap" tour.

From September 29 through November 5, 1969 the astronauts and their wives made
landings in 24 worldwide cities with mostly overnight visits. At least 100 million people
saw the space crew and as many as 25,000 shook their hands including Pope Paul VI.

"Air Force One" is the air traffic control call sign of any United States Air Force
aircraft carrying the President of the United States. Colonel Ralph Albertazzie was the
Aircraft Commander of President Nixon's Boeing VC-137B and Lieutenant Colonel Carl A Peden
was second in Command. For the first leg of this Astronaut Goodwill RTW Tour, Lt Col Peden
was the Aircraft Commander with Major David H Shaw and Major Lester C McClelland as

The "Giant Leap" 37 day round-the-world flight tour ended with an overnight stay at
the Nixon White House. Shortly thereafter Armstrong set off again, this time as a special
guest on Bob Hope's 1969 USO tour with stops in Germany, Italy, Turkey, Taiwan, Guam and
Thailand as well as Vietnam.


Departed Washington DC 09/29/69
01 Mexico City, Mexico 09/29-30/69
02 Bogota, Columbia 09/30-10/01/69
Brasilia 10/01/69
03 Buenos Aires, Argentina 10/01-02/69
04 Rio de Janeio, Brazil 10/02-04/69
05 Las Palmas, Canary Islands 10/04-06/69
06 Madrid, Spain 10/06-08/69
07 Paris, France 10/08-09/69
08 Amsterdam, Netherlands 10/09/69
09 Brussels, Belgium 10/09-10/69
10 Oslo, Norway 10/10-12/69
11 Bonn, Germany 10/12/69
West Berlin, Germany 10/12-14/69
12 London, England 10/14-15/69
13 Rome, Italy 10/15-18/69
Vatican 10/16/69
14 Belgrade, Yugoslavia 10/18-20/69
15 Ankara, Turkey 10/20-22/69
16 Kinshasa, Zaire 10/22-24/69
17 Bombay, India 10/24-25/69
18 Dacca, Bangladesh 10/25-26/69
19 Bangkok, Thailand 10/26-28/69
20 Tehran, Iran 10/28-31/69
Perth, Australia 10/31/69
21 Sydney, Australia 10/31-11/02/69
22 Agana, Guam 11/02-03/69
23 Seoul, South Korea 11/03-04/69
24 Tokyo, Japan 11/04-05/69
Elmendorf AFB Alaska 11/05/69
Arrived Washington DC 11/05/69

Spreading Apollo material around the world:

Accountability for Command Module 106 was transferred to the Smithsonian Institution in April 1970 just prior to its shipment to Europe for a display tour under the auspices of the United States Information Agency. Following display in several counties (including the USSR, France and the Netherlands), in 1978 the spacecraft was place on loan to the London Science Museum, where it has remained on public display.

Protecting cultural property:

The United States is joined with many other countries in an international effort to protect cultural heritage globally. USIA, which oversees the U.S. role in protecting international cultural property, is the lead agency in carrying out decision-making responsibilities under the Convention on Cultural Property Implementation Act.

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 03:48 PM

Knowing where the moon's gravity is stronger will enable the United States and other countries to better pinpoint landing locations for future explorers, whether robot or human. The gravity on the moon is uneven and about one-sixth Earth's pull.

Zuber said the Grail findings should eliminate cliffhangers like the Apollo 11 landing in 1969 by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin. They overshot their touchdown site in part because of the subtle gravity changes in the moon's surface below; they almost ran out of fuel before safely touching down on the Sea of Tranquility.
"It will be easier next time," Zuber promised.

For now, NASA has no plans to return astronauts to the moon, Earth's closest neighbor at approximately 240,000 miles away. That program, called Constellation, was canceled last year by President Barack Obama, who favors asteroids and Mars as potential destinations in America's future without the shuttle.

I thought they overshot their touchdown cause Neil saw that they were landing in a crater.
edit on 13-9-2011 by FoosM because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 11:23 PM
There's again with their headlines, not mine. Even thinks it's " — oddly — "

Article: NASA to Reveal Planet-Hunting Telescope's Discovery Thursday With Sci-Fi Help


NASA will announce a new discovery by its Kepler planet-hunting telescope on Thursday (Sept. 15), in a press conference featuring astronomers and — oddly — a representative from Industrial Light & Magic (ILM).

Speaking at Thursday's briefing will be:

Charlie Sobeck, Kepler deputy project manager, Ames Research Center
Nick Gautier, Kepler project scientist, NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
Laurance Doyle, lead author, SETI Institute, Mountain View, Calif.
John Knoll, visual effects supervisor, ILM, San Francisco
Greg Laughlin, professor for Astrophysics and Planetary Science, University of California, Santa Cruz, Calif.
The event will be held at NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif., and broadcast live on NASA TV.

For those of you who enjoy sc-fi, take a look at some of John Knoll's credits as Visual Effects Supervisor.

2009 Avatar Visual Effects Supervisor
2009 Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince Digital Artist
2009 Confessions of a Shopaholic Visual Effects Supervisor
2008 Speed Racer Visual Effects Supervisor
2007 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End Visual Effects Supervisor
2006 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest Visual Effects Supervisor
2005 Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith Visual Effects Supervisor
2003 Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl Visual Effects Supervisor
2002 Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones Visual Effects Supervisor
2000 Mission to Mars Visual Effects Supervisor
1999 Deep Blue Sea Visual Effects Supervisor
1999 Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace Visual Effects Supervisor
1996 Star Trek: First Contact Visual Effects Supervisor
1996 Mission: Impossible Visual Effects Supervisor
1994 Star Trek Generations Visual Effects Supervisor
1994 Baby's Day Out Visual Effects Supervisor
1991 Hudson Hawk Visual Effects Supervisor
1991 Hook Visual Effects Supervisor
1990 The Hunt for Red October Visual Effects Supervisor
1989 The Abyss

posted on Sep, 13 2011 @ 11:52 PM

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

You have no idea who John Knoll is.

John isn't just some VFX junkie. John Knoll and his brother, Thomas, have been involved in image analysis for over thirty years now. He has created and been involved in some of the staple image analysis and editing applications of our time - including photoshop. This is someone that understands all of these concepts on a mathematical and theoretical level which makes him perfect for dealing with actual image analysis, forensic, creative or otherwise. People like himself wrote the applications that allowed people like Russ to write the book on these subjects.

There is nothing unusual about persons with VFX credits working for astro photography organisations etc ... Nor is there anything unusual about persons with VFX credits working in forensic imaging and survey data areas. I doubt a defense lawyer is ever going to say 'oh, but your honor, she worked on Star Wars'.

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