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Originally posted by dragonridr
reply to post by ppk55
Wow thats funny he really has no clue about chemistry and thinks his room in his house recreates a lunar atmosphere. Theres a reason Myth Busters did this experiment in a vacuum. The lunar surface is predominately composed of materials that fall under the general category of silicates. Silica has a natural tendency to bond with other silica, forming large molecular chains. On Earth, these "exposed" bonds quickly fill with oxygen in a process called oxidation or weathering. On the Moon, with a total lack of oxygen, these bonds have nothing to attach to until an event occurs that aligns the molecules. When an object, such as an astronaut's boot, disturbs lunar dust new molecular bonds are created. The new bonds enable the dust to hold its shape, forming an impression of the deforming object. Thus, footprints can form despite the absence of water.
Von Braun had the first manned Mars mission departing Earth orbit during the minimum-energy Earth-Mars transfer opportunity in 1981. Each Mars mission would employ two identical six-man spacecraft comprising at Earth-orbit departure three Nuclear Shuttles and a Mission Module. An unpressurized forward compartment would house the two-stage conical MEM, an airlock for spacewalks, six Mars Sample Return Probes, and two Venus probes. The compartment would measure 33 feet in diameter while the MEM would measure 30 feet across its bowl-shaped heat shield.
NASA Administrator Charles F. Bolden Jr. said told a Senate Science subcommittee that he and the White House agreed with the goal of reaching Mars is "the ultimate destination." But Bolden said he couldn't set a date for that goal because research funded in the budget needs to find better propulsion and research longer-term space travel on people.
"We want to go to Mars," Bolden said. "We can't get there because we don't have the technology."
Von Braun promised the STG that "Man's first step on Mars will be no less exciting than Neil Armstrong's first step on the moon." Apollo 11 commander Armstrong had set foot on the moon just two weeks before von Braun's STG pitch (July 20, 1969). The timing of his presentation was not accidental; NASA Administrator Thomas Paine sought to exploit the excitement Apollo 11 had generated to obtain the STG's endorsement of a manned Mars program in its report to Nixon.
"We were living a hallucination," said Bolden, who said "vision without resources is a hallucination."
Originally posted by jra
reply to post by FoosM
I'm not sure I understand the point you're attempting to make in your last post. Could you perhaps explain what you're trying to get at with these quotes? Also some sources for that quoted material would be nice. Thanks.
Originally posted by wmd_2008
reply to post by truthquest
I think if you look at mythbusters they used a vacuum and the lever system they used would be more accurate to 1/6 gravity than RICHARD HEAD (DICK TO HIS MATES) stamping his foot in earth gravity and NO VACUUM
Originally posted by Komodo
If I were FoosM, I wouldn't even reply LOL.. but, I suggest you keep reading the quotes OVER & OVER & OVER.. then you be enlightened .. because it's staring at you in the face !!!!
oh and.. you can find the source links your self.. :0 I did.. took about 1 min.. you know.. just gotta Google it..
Going forward, if you post something that is not 100% your own writing or work you must use the QUOTE BOX TAG, post NO MORE THAN 15% of the original (or three paragraphs, whichever is least), and GIVE A LINK TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL. If the work you are posting is not on the internet, from a book for example, you MUST give a credit for that Book ( the title), its Author and Publisher.
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by Komodo
The point seems to be that von Braun, with his characteristic political savvy, was lobbying congress to appropriate funds for a Mars mission while the country was basking in the glow of the successful lunar landing. He was confident that the technology for such a mission could be researched and developed in twenty years. Since the funding was not approved, NASA has been unable to develop that technology. So these quotes affirm the fact of the lunar landing, the need for twenty years of research to develop true interplanetary manned spacefaring and the political failure of will to do so. It further affirms that Apollo was not hoaxed, because it would have been just as "cheap and easy" to fake a Mars landing. Maybe even easier. Is that what you got, too?
Originally posted by FoosM
Within 12 years.
Another way you can look at it is that von Braun didnt get what he wanted, and tried to pitch for more money to realize his dream. But knowing how impossible a trip to the moon was, the powers that be simply kept using Apollo as a cover for militarizing space:
and who knows what else
Originally posted by jdub297
I have by-passed this thread for quite some time, until I saw today that it was still active and growing.
Jarrah White is a fraud.
Why Jarrah White is Wrong About Apollo
Originally posted by truthquest
It doesn't matter whether Jarrah White is a fraud because all of his work is independently verifiable. What matters if whether he raises any good points (whether they are correct or incorrect). So, instead of Jarrah White's intentions and motivations its even easier to evaluate each claim based on its merits to determine whether they are correct or incorrect.
Your link sadly doesn't jump to any points but states that shuttles have radiation meters. Okay, well that does nothing to disprove anything. Maybe they are all reading 1,500 rem or so?
And why should I trust their radiation meters more than the Van Allen radiation meters? Van Allen is the guy who discovered the Van Allen belt and from what I understand they had very crispy readouts.
Originally posted by GallopingFish
Forgive me i did not read all 54 pages but is it not possible that...
They Did go to the moon, found stuff that they didn't think that the general populace should see e.g structures and evidence of previous or current occupation of the moon.
Then decided on earth to Create a moon landing that suited what they think should be on the moon. "nothing"
It ties in with some of the radio conversations about the astronauts seeing stuff.
So it would make the moon landing footage fake, but they did go to the moon!!