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But another question I did ask and it seems to be lost in the thread is,
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"Why would NASA fake it, for what purpose?"
To me, that is the hardest question to answer..
The scenario does seem odd and no answer I've seen so far fits perfectly but that's not to say there isn't one...
I see NO reason for NASA to fake the situation and my only quibble is when people say it is solved/explained..
It isn't but I'm not convinced it really matters..
Originally posted by hateeternal
Originally posted by backinblack
"The astronaut turned and put the sampler away behind him"
I know this is your option DJ and if it was here on earth,driving a dune buggy, then I'd buy the idea but being on the moon is a different story..
Hmm ok, So now you agree that they are really on the moon?
I have given 3 examples of places where he might have put down the sampler...
And therefore will have to admit that what we have here is proof of NASA making a mistake.
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by DJW001
OK..Let's look where we are with these 3 pics..
The main question appears to be the disappearance of the sampler..
But here's a few things that have been asked and my opinion..
"The 4 sec time frame is not correct..."
I'd have to say from many posts that it is close to correct as the pics seem to show a similar scene..
Having said that, NASA isn't perfect and who's to say there isn't a few seconds error in the transcript?
"The astronaut threw the sampler away"
I asked how important and delicate the sampler is..
I wouldn't expect astronauts to treat equipment that way but maybe someone can show where they did on a previous occasion..Also, if the astronaut DID throw it away then I might expect that to be mentioned in the conversation..
"The astronaut turned and put the sampler away behind him"
I know this is your option DJ and if it was here on earth,driving a dune buggy, then I'd buy the idea but being on the moon is a different story..
It would be difficult to turn with the full EVA suit..Not just how awkward it would be but also the mass of the suit is quite high as you know..Turning and stopping, then turning back and stopping with a 25kg backpack is NOT that easy in 1 second..
Their gloves would make it difficult to locate and lock away anything quickly and even their vision was not that flash with helmet and visor on..
But another question I did ask and it seems to be lost in the thread is,
"Why would NASA fake it, for what purpose?"
To me, that is the hardest question to answer..
The scenario does seem odd and no answer I've seen so far fits perfectly but that's not to say there isn't one...
I see NO reason for NASA to fake the situation and my only quibble is when people say it is solved/explained..
It isn't but I'm not convinced it really matters..
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by FoosM
And therefore will have to admit that what we have here is proof of NASA making a mistake.
Please explain how you being able to understand something so simple is proof that NASA made a mistake? Doesn't it simply prove that you lack the imagination to figure the situation out correctly?
For me, NASA has to prove without question that they landed men on the moon by getting confirmation via true independent research, examination of evidence, repeating the experiment, and addressing the many anomalies that have been brought up. This has not been done.
Originally posted by DJW001
I know this may come as a stunning blow to your ego, but, frankly, NASA doesn't care what sort of "proof" you want.
it is only a handful of under-educated conspiracy theorists who have any problem with the historical record.
1. It was a scientific endeavour.
Originally posted by FoosM
Its because of my imagination, and power to look at the whole picture, I clearly see that NASA
and the USGOV have used APOLLO as a propaganda stunt to gain power and money for various military and intelligence operations. It was not a scientific endeavor so it didnt even have to be real. It just have to be perceived as being real. I took the red pill.
To your satisfaction, no. To the satisfaction of thousands of independent scientists for forty years, some wielding tools that weren't even invented in 1969, yes.
For me, NASA has to prove without question that they landed men on the moon by getting confirmation via true independent research, examination of evidence, repeating the experiment, and addressing the many anomalies that have been brought up. This has not been done.
Originally posted by 000063
reply to post by FoosM
Speaking of the Vietnam war, the Communists were supporting the other side. If they had evidence the US faked the moon landing, why not just force them to pull out? Y'know, assuming that the people smart enough to pull off this massive conspiracy involving thousands were dumb enough to decide to just hand the USSR such a long-term advantage in the Cold War.
Pawns in the Game is the culmination of a lifetime of research. If understood it shakes the beliefs of most readers to their core. The amount of documentation Carr found is staggering. The occasions where he produces it are the times when it’s absolutely necessary to make what he says believable. Communism was created and funded by American bankers. Members of the same group were Roosevelt’s advisors during World War II. Carr produces enough evidence to make it believable. Hitler tried to form an alliance with Britain in order to hunt down financiers from that same group. He didn’t want to fight England. It makes sense. England and Germany were never natural enemies. Germany was the first nation to recover from the great depression. That’s well known. Carr explains why. Hitler broke away from the International Bankers and enacted a system of monetary reform. Austria (Hitler’s home Province) had enacted a similar system in the years that followed World War I. It was successful until the Rothschilds raised trade sanctions against them. Hitler’s actions provoked the bankers to the point where they initiated war against him. Carr produces solid evidence when he states these cases. Much of what he has to say contradicts most of what we spend our lives being taught. But, when placed alongside historical events most of us know about what he says makes sense. The events we knew about end up making more sense as well.
Originally posted by hateeternal
isnt that the missing sampler??
Originally posted by hateeternal
reply to post by FoosM
There is nothing there on the 1st or 2nd pictures. and that looks very much like the "cup" on the top of the sampler...it has that orange tone to it on the interior, that you can see on the 2nd picture.
I'll put up all three with nice resolution for you to see:
www.hq.nasa.gov...
www.hq.nasa.gov...
www.hq.nasa.gov...
and the timeline is:
168:47:03 - the 1st of three pics is taken with Jack jumping into the Rover.
You can see here that is says the 1st pic was at 168:47:03 .
somewhere between 03 and 08 he takes the 2nd. picture, then jack puts down the sampler by is side as you can see on the last picture.
168:47:08 Schmitt: Ready? (Pause)
( and then he takes the last one.)
168:47:12 Cernan: I got three of them that time.
168:47:03 Cernan: Get on there one time. (Pause)
Gene goes to the front of the Rover to take pictures of Jack jumping in his seat
168:47:15 Schmitt: (Laughs)
If we could leave the condescension and empty rhetoric behind for awhile,
Originally posted by 000063
reply to post by FoosM
If we could leave the condescension and empty rhetoric behind for awhile, it seems that you claim is that the entire system of communism was a hoax, perpetrated by the Jews.
This is only a small part of the book though. Carr traced the history of the money lenders from their beginnings through to the formation of the Illuminati by Adam Weishaupt. He also traced the House of Rothschild from their beginnings as the head of the group of Goldsmiths that financed the English Revolution.