Originally posted by Exuberant1
It is obvious you are losing this debate.
You still haven't quite got the hang of this "burden of proof' thingy, have you? Tell us, Exuberant1, what is your proof
that I am
And while you are at it and to give you some practice, PLEASE CITE where your Frank Byrne 'quote' comes from.
Otherwise you wouldn't still be trying to win it.
I'm afraid that makes no sense. (What a surprise.) If someone keeps making wrongful claims, I should just let them go, should I?
Are you moderating, now, or just playing "he who should be obeyed"?
And what kind of person argues with moon hoax believers?
Oooh, I KNOW this one!! People who DON'T believe it was a hoax.
That was actually a pretty easy one.
Consider that one for a moment.
(You'll note I am NOT snipping bits out I don't want to answer. Try that sometime, Exuberant1.)
If it is so obvious that we went and everyone knows
Putting words into my mouth. When did I say that - CITE please, Exuberant1...?
Yes, it's obvious that we went to anyone with a decent science background and a logical approach to research
. That is clearly not everyone,
Exuberant1 - just check the mirror...
what would motivate a person to spend several hours typing posts in a thread in attempts to convince everyone of something everyone already
Repeating your claim that I think everyone knows it happened just looks downright silly.
You must feel like you are not wasting your time or something.
It's quite amusing that you would post this, right after I explained what is so gratifying to me
- namely that a newcomer to the topic might
find their way here, and see how the denier's claims are ripped into tiny shreds by those who actually know the topic well.
*Anyhow, you are probably still sore about the fact that No other nations have been able to see the Apollo landers.
I wasn't sore before, and I'm not now. That's because, unlike you, I know what the resolution issues are, and what spacecraft have been sent up
there to date. Unlike you, I had no ridiculous expectations that Hubble, or Chandrayaan, or...) could do it. It's all pretty basic, simple stuff,
for those that know what they are talking about. But the landers have been clearly resolved by LRO. Eg, here's Apollo 11, 12 and 17:
LRO - Apollo 11 landing site
(If you know your Apollo, you can see the boulder field near West crater than Neil flew over to avoid, and you can work out where the flag is, the
EASEP, the LRRR, the PSEP.. I'll bet Exuberant knows what all that means..
LRO - Apollo 12 landing site & Surveyor 3
LRO - Apollo 17 landing site
...and those results will be verified by others as time progresses - indeed much of it (eg the terrain and the trails) has *already* been
Previous to that, there was overwhelming evidence from the Jaxa/Selene/Kaguya 3D terrain mapping, and the images from Chandrayaan showing Apollo
trails, to name just two.. Here's those links:
Jaxa/Selene - Apollo 15 3d
Chandrayaan - Apollo 15
But Exuberant1, these were posted earlier - do you just tune out anything you don't want to discuss? (Rhetorical question..)
Now, I'd like to see you actually address this point:
Did these countries (Japan, India) lie or fabricate this evidence?
Did someone send special little spacecraft up to the moon to lay a large number of trails, in several locations, that perfectly matched all the
And how exactly did NASA, in 1969, have access to accurate terrain mapping of the Moon? They *must* have had that info, to create the perfect
'backdrops', that you think were used. And yet it didn't exist. More secret missions? - gee this conspiracy just keeps getting bigger to the
point of being unmanageable.
OCKHAM? - Where are you?
And do provide any evidence to back up your claims. Or you could consider saying "OK, I was WRONG".
Only American spacecraft can see the Apollo landers
So far, more or less correct... But the missions were just a teensy little bit more than just landers...
only the accused (NASA) has been able to provide evidence that their spacecraft are present on the moon.
But, wait... you just said it was only the lander. Now you have extended that (hoping no-one would notice) to the entire body of evidence?
Nice try. And THANK YOU for demonstrating my point so perfectly, about the techniques being used by deniers.
Even the Mighty Soviet Union couldn't take a picture of the landers - even if they were there.
Neither could... the New Zealanders
- why, their spacecraft aren't even close to doing this sort of stuff!! That's exactly the same silly
reasoning as you just gave.
Some of us don't have unrealistic expectations, and therefore we understand why things happen when they do. We understand why, no matter how big a
telescope you put in your back yard, you won't be seeing any Apollo lander...
If a spacecraft has the required resolution capability and images the region under suitable lighting conditions, it *will* resolve the landers. LRO
has done that. Jaxa had terrain mapping, so it verified the terrain. Chandrayaan, despite failing early in its mission, had sufficient resolution to
show the trails, and the terrain. That was what the spacecraft were capable of.
What is it that you can't comprehend, Exuberant1? I'm happy to try to help you gain a little more knowledge on the topic.
... Because OTHERS will benefit from it.
PS - Now don't 'forget' this time, Exuberant1 - you need to CITE that Frank Byrne quote.
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