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Young Aussie genius whipping NASA in Moon Hoax Debate!

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posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 03:47 AM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
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How's the research coming along? Seen this video yet? It is a camera mounted on "top" of the second stage (compared to the view you posted, from the other end), for that view as the CSM stage separates and continues to orbit. Unmanned tests, of the Apollo CM reentry.

Note (as nataylor so generously offered...I'd rather hoped you'd find it out on your own, but what the heck?) you can clearly see the ullage engines on the third stage/CSM stack there....after it separates. Those THREE plumes. BTW, those are solid-fuel rocket motors, have their own individual propellant supply, unrelated to what powered the J-2 engine of the spacecraft.



You can see the film continued to run until the end of its spool.....


well.. right off the bat.. i see a problem..and how did the camera survive the re-entry ?? and the part it was attached to was burned up .. what am i missing here ?? and not only the camera ..but the FILM as well.. ??





posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 03:56 AM
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I think it actually detatches from the rocket once the film runs out and small chutes take it back to earth..
There's no re entry to worry about..



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 07:08 AM
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One thing I've always wondered.

When the time comes that the moon landing hoax is revealed. What will the world wide implications be?

Also, when would be the most opportune time for the US to reveal this.

After all the posts in this thread, It's not a matter of if, it's now a matter of when.

As each year ticks by, the photos, videos and transcripts seem more absurd by the day.

The recent videos posted here taken from space showing the alleged LM, CSM etc, look particularly ridiculous. If you were to use them in a blockbuster movie today, people would run out screaming how fake and pathetic the effects were and what a crappy movie it was.

So the big question is ... what will the world wide implications be when the hoax is revealed ?

And when would be the most opportune time for the US to reveal this?

I suppose the most damning evidence is the fact we cant even get one good close up photo of the flag, the lander and the rover, but we can take a photo of a licence plate on earth even with our annoying atmosphere in the way.



edit on 18-1-2011 by ppk55 because: more info



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 07:16 AM
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And when would be the most opportune time for the US to reveal this?


Half time at the Super Bowl.??

Though really, I haven't been convinced of the hoax yet..



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 07:19 AM
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IF they did fake it they would know at some point in the future they would be caught IT wasn't faked so they have no reason to be worried, please post an example of the pictures of the LM etc that you are being critical about

ps are you still a cinematographer
or have your bosses found you out!


And ppk55 runs away again lol was on an logs off with no answer

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posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 07:30 AM
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The genius of a Jarrah White is that he has reconveyed so many classic Apollo Moon Hoax conspiracy theories into a very large body of provocative and convincing evidence. His video presentations are home made with sincere dedications made to notable personalities in the historical canon of Apollo Moon Hoax theories. Jarrah has done everyone a great service by summarizing the long standing conspiracy theories through an exhaustive review of primary source materials.


In other words, all Jarrah White has done is plagiarize all the other morons, religious fanatics and suicidal paranoid schizophrenics who have already worked this scam.


(I noted in one of Jarrah's videos he had in his possession not 1 but 2 different copies of Michael Collins' book, "Carrying the Fire", which is one of those Apollo-essential books full of interesting anecdotes that are used by both sides of the Apollo Moon Hoax conspiracy debate.)


Too bad there is no evidence he can read above a fifth grade level. Those books are what in the trade is known as "set dressing."


Jarrah's video debate technique has continuously improved in the last two years. He is using the YouTube medium in the most efficient manner possible, he expertly combines video illustration with narration. Suffice to say that his body of work on Apollo and Nasa is perhaps his PhD dissertation in Modern Propagation of Conspiracy Theory in a Virtual Venue of Discourse.


I agree. Jarrah's propaganda techniques are textbook. He uses imagery to distract from the substance of the spoken text, masks relevant parts of the cited text to hide his cherry picking, uses repetition of insupported statements to lull the viewer into believing they've been proven, substitutes rhetoric for reason and relies heavily on mere ridicule. He deserves a PhD in propaganda from Josef Goebbels University.


Having earned his stature in the Apollo Moon Hoax conspiracy theory pantheon (e.g. Phil Plait, Phil Webb, Jay Windley, Penn & Teller, Richard Hoagland, John Lear, The Amazing Randi, Fox Television and MythBusters, Ralph Rene, Bill Kaysing, and many, many more) Jarrah White is perhaps the perfect embodiement of that spirit within us all that seeks for the truth as we deny our own ignorance.


Too bad the editors of Wikipedia never heard of him:


Without third party coverage of any of this, I don't see it as being particularly important to add myself.
— V = I * R (talk to Ω) 06:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree, there must by third-party coverage of this, anybody can get on youtube and say whatever they want, it's the same as citing a blog post, unless there is some special reason to think it is relevent it probably doesn't need to be added. Voiceofreason01 (talk) 18:31, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Anybody CAN get on youtube, but I doubt anyone, as a private individual, has such a well-written and produced body of work on this subject as Mr. White. Whether you agree or disagree with him, the effort is notable and should be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.177.134.118 (talk) 02:47, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
His YouTube account here shows 640 subscribers which is a fair number. Does that count as verification of notability? Man with two legs (talk) 13:43, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Not really, no. There's a guideline at Wikipedia:Notability. Independent, third party coverage is what's really important.
— V = I * R (talk to Ω) 16:41, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


When Jarrah's attempt to add himself to the list of "Notable Moon Hoax Conspiracy Theorists" got deleted, he went ballistic about "Wikipedia vandals." He just couldn't understand why a group of people dedicated to the greatest attempt to make the sum of all human knowledge accessible to mankind since M. Diderot said to his friends: "We're a really knowledgeable lot, we should all sit down together and write a nice thick book," wouldn't consider a series of amateurish YouTube videos "notable." Here's a clue, Jarrah: if YouTube hits justified an mention in Wikipedia, the piano playing cat would merit a much longer entry.


Nobody likes to be seen back peddling because they were prematurely, preemptively and preternaturally inclined or predisposed or programmed to believe in whatever other people had told them was factually the truth. The authorities, these so-called experts, they could all be wrong and they might not know anything more conclusively than your or I do. What exactly happened on Apollo 8? (Other than Frank Borman crapping his spacesuit?).


You will never find Jarrah back peddling. He simply declares victory, changes the subject or tells another lie when caught out. As for accepting things on authority, you either question what Jarrah says or you believe him on faith. When I examined his statements, I found proof that Jarrah is a liar and hoaxer.


Well, we know that Apollo 8 went around in the moon in about 6 days and came back with a .16 rad reading. While Apollo 7 orbited in LEO for about 11 days and achieved the exact same .16 rad reading.


Because space weather varies. Do you have a point?


40 years after the fact there remain so many unanswered questions about the Apollo program and what NASA claimed to have achieved with Apollo and to the extent of CIA CIA involvement with NASA during Apollo amidst a politically explosive period of bloody American history.


Every single question that has been raised on this forum has been answered. Can you think of any more? Be specific.


Skepticism. Get Some


I got mine. You need to get yours and stop acting like a sock puppet.
edit on 18-1-2011 by DJW001 because: Edit to correct typo.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by ppk55
One thing I've always wondered.

When the time comes that the moon landing hoax is revealed. What will the world wide implications be?

Also, when would be the most opportune time for the US to reveal this.

After all the posts in this thread, It's not a matter of if, it's now a matter of when.

As each year ticks by, the photos, videos and transcripts seem more absurd by the day.

The recent videos posted here taken from space showing the alleged LM, CSM etc, look particularly ridiculous. If you were to use them in a blockbuster movie today, people would run out screaming how fake and pathetic the effects were and what a crappy movie it was.

So the big question is ... what will the world wide implications be when the hoax is revealed ?

And when would be the most opportune time for the US to reveal this?

I suppose the most damning evidence is the fact we cant even get one good close up photo of the flag, the lander and the rover, but we can take a photo of a licence plate on earth even with our annoying atmosphere in the way.



edit on 18-1-2011 by ppk55 because: more info


Sorry forgot to add...

How will teachers handle this issue? For years they themselves would have believed the apollo myth and passed it on to their students. Why not, they were born and grew up watching the apollo myth unfold on live
TV.

Now students who once had only a one way avenue of information have the facts at their fingertips.

I dare the next poster to reference the apollo lunar surface journal as a source and I will prove to you what a sham that is.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 08:05 AM
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Why don't you try to answer these questions yourself? I'd love to hear what you think. Seriously.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 08:19 AM
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Too bad the editors of Wikipedia never heard of him:


I thought the editors of wikipedia were debating whether to allow JW in..
Therefore they must have heard of him.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 08:49 AM
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Did you read the page? They first heard about him when Jarrah "Wikipedia Vandal" White tried to add his name to the list of "Notable Moon Hoax Proponents"." After some discussion, including a testimonial from Japan, they decided that he just wasn't "notable." No wonder Jarrah flew into a rage. Now his best claim to fame is the pornographic anime he's producing.

edit on 18-1-2011 by DJW001 because: Edits to correct formatting.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by Komodo
well.. right off the bat.. i see a problem..and how did the camera survive the re-entry ?? and the part it was attached to was burned up .. what am i missing here ?? and not only the camera ..but the FILM as well.. ??


The stage separation you see in that video happens at only 200,000 feet in altitude. That's still inside the atmosphere, so there is no "reentry" to survive. The film is in a camera pod that is jettisoned and and uses paraballoons to slow its fall. The first stage of the Saturn IB in that clip does not burn up.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by ppk55
I dare the next poster to reference the apollo lunar surface journal as a source and I will prove to you what a sham that is.
Let's hear what you have.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 09:19 AM
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I'd like the Mods to check this out: UK Sceptics Forum. How does this sit with T&C?



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 09:26 AM
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Now his best claim to fame is the pornographic anime he's producing.


Are you sure it's pornographic? Ranma 1/2 is a Shōnen manga. Although, I haven't' seen it myself, shōnen includes Dragonball Z, Full Metal Alchemist and Detective Conan which I have seen. I doubt any of them could be categorized as Hentai (what you call 'pornographic') I admit the picture he uses to advertise does make it look like a Hentai.

As too notability on Wiki. If Jarrah isn't there yet, he probably needs a few more mention in the mainstream press to be considered notable.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 09:34 AM
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lol. I dismissed JW same time that mod did on that other forum: When I saw him rub a balloon on his head to simulate static electricity on the moon. I think that was the same video where he ran past the flag trying to make it move.
Funny guy

I'm surprise this thread is over 300 pages here. Not sure why you think that other thread infringes on the T&C here though?



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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I'm surprise this thread is over 300 pages here. Not sure why you think that other thread infringes on the T&C here though?


The fact that the poster placed identical content on two different sites and then just walked away from the threads suggest that his intention was to advertise Jarrah White's YouTube page.


19) Advertising: You will not advertise or promote other discussion boards, chat systems, online communities or other websites on the Websites within posts, private messages, avatars and/or signatures without prior written permission from TAN. You will not choose a username that is the same as a website domain, subdomain, or URL for which you are associated. Doing so will result in removal of your Post(s) and immediate termination of your account.


In fact, Jarrah's supporters are arguably engaged in viral marketing web wide:


20a) Unauthorized Marketing: ATTENTION MARKETERS: You will not engage in efforts of viral or "stealth marketing" on these discussion boards without prior approval of TAN. If marketing activity for the promotion of any other commercial entity outside of these boards is discovered you agree that you are responsible for paying TAN $2.00 US for each "thread view" of the thread(s) in which your marketing messages are contained. Your acceptance of these Terms and Conditions of Membership for joining these discussion boards signifies your approval of these payment terms.

T & C


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posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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Here are a few more forums where the same spam was posted by Winston for Jarrah:

David Icke Forum

Mind of me forums

Scepcop forum

The GLP site has one

These are some of the most obvious ones anyway. I'm glad that the thread has more than likely had 100s of thousands of views, at $2 per view thats a lot of money for ATS. With Jarrah using his real name and being so easy to get hold of it should be quite easy to send him the invoice.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by backinblack
 


Did you read the page? They first heard about him when Jarrah "Wikipedia Vandal" White tried to add his name to the list of "Notable Moon Hoax Proponents"." After some discussion, including a testimonial from Japan, they decided that he just wasn't "notable." No wonder Jarrah flew into a rage. Now his best claim to fame is the pornographic anime he's producing.


Yes I read the page..
You can't say they "never" heard of him then go on to discuss what they say about him.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Komodo
 


I think it actually detatches from the rocket once the film runs out and small chutes take it back to earth..
There's no re entry to worry about..


Depends how high there were, parachutes dont work in a vacuum...
Though NAT said they had several cameras and not all made it through the reentry.
Here is how Corona worked:
upload.wikimedia.org...




posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 04:32 PM
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NO, won't get away with more distracting and distortion, in order to plant different ideas, and alter the facts:


Depends how high there were, parachutes dont work in a vacuum...



">..parachutes don't work in a vacuum...



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