It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by FoosM
How's the research coming along? Seen this video yet? It is a camera mounted on "top" of the second stage (compared to the view you posted, from the other end), for that view as the CSM stage separates and continues to orbit. Unmanned tests, of the Apollo CM reentry.
Note (as nataylor so generously offered...I'd rather hoped you'd find it out on your own, but what the heck?) you can clearly see the ullage engines on the third stage/CSM stack there....after it separates. Those THREE plumes. BTW, those are solid-fuel rocket motors, have their own individual propellant supply, unrelated to what powered the J-2 engine of the spacecraft.
You can see the film continued to run until the end of its spool.....
The genius of a Jarrah White is that he has reconveyed so many classic Apollo Moon Hoax conspiracy theories into a very large body of provocative and convincing evidence. His video presentations are home made with sincere dedications made to notable personalities in the historical canon of Apollo Moon Hoax theories. Jarrah has done everyone a great service by summarizing the long standing conspiracy theories through an exhaustive review of primary source materials.
(I noted in one of Jarrah's videos he had in his possession not 1 but 2 different copies of Michael Collins' book, "Carrying the Fire", which is one of those Apollo-essential books full of interesting anecdotes that are used by both sides of the Apollo Moon Hoax conspiracy debate.)
Jarrah's video debate technique has continuously improved in the last two years. He is using the YouTube medium in the most efficient manner possible, he expertly combines video illustration with narration. Suffice to say that his body of work on Apollo and Nasa is perhaps his PhD dissertation in Modern Propagation of Conspiracy Theory in a Virtual Venue of Discourse.
Having earned his stature in the Apollo Moon Hoax conspiracy theory pantheon (e.g. Phil Plait, Phil Webb, Jay Windley, Penn & Teller, Richard Hoagland, John Lear, The Amazing Randi, Fox Television and MythBusters, Ralph Rene, Bill Kaysing, and many, many more) Jarrah White is perhaps the perfect embodiement of that spirit within us all that seeks for the truth as we deny our own ignorance.
Without third party coverage of any of this, I don't see it as being particularly important to add myself.
— V = I * R (talk to Ω) 06:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree, there must by third-party coverage of this, anybody can get on youtube and say whatever they want, it's the same as citing a blog post, unless there is some special reason to think it is relevent it probably doesn't need to be added. Voiceofreason01 (talk) 18:31, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Anybody CAN get on youtube, but I doubt anyone, as a private individual, has such a well-written and produced body of work on this subject as Mr. White. Whether you agree or disagree with him, the effort is notable and should be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 02:47, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
His YouTube account here shows 640 subscribers which is a fair number. Does that count as verification of notability? Man with two legs (talk) 13:43, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Not really, no. There's a guideline at Wikipedia:Notability. Independent, third party coverage is what's really important.
— V = I * R (talk to Ω) 16:41, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Nobody likes to be seen back peddling because they were prematurely, preemptively and preternaturally inclined or predisposed or programmed to believe in whatever other people had told them was factually the truth. The authorities, these so-called experts, they could all be wrong and they might not know anything more conclusively than your or I do. What exactly happened on Apollo 8? (Other than Frank Borman crapping his spacesuit?).
Well, we know that Apollo 8 went around in the moon in about 6 days and came back with a .16 rad reading. While Apollo 7 orbited in LEO for about 11 days and achieved the exact same .16 rad reading.
40 years after the fact there remain so many unanswered questions about the Apollo program and what NASA claimed to have achieved with Apollo and to the extent of CIA CIA involvement with NASA during Apollo amidst a politically explosive period of bloody American history.
Skepticism. Get Some
Originally posted by ppk55
One thing I've always wondered.
When the time comes that the moon landing hoax is revealed. What will the world wide implications be?
Also, when would be the most opportune time for the US to reveal this.
After all the posts in this thread, It's not a matter of if, it's now a matter of when.
As each year ticks by, the photos, videos and transcripts seem more absurd by the day.
The recent videos posted here taken from space showing the alleged LM, CSM etc, look particularly ridiculous. If you were to use them in a blockbuster movie today, people would run out screaming how fake and pathetic the effects were and what a crappy movie it was.
So the big question is ... what will the world wide implications be when the hoax is revealed ?
And when would be the most opportune time for the US to reveal this?
I suppose the most damning evidence is the fact we cant even get one good close up photo of the flag, the lander and the rover, but we can take a photo of a licence plate on earth even with our annoying atmosphere in the way.
edit on 18-1-2011 by ppk55 because: more info
Originally posted by Komodo
well.. right off the bat.. i see a problem..and how did the camera survive the re-entry ?? and the part it was attached to was burned up .. what am i missing here ?? and not only the camera ..but the FILM as well.. ??
Let's hear what you have.
Originally posted by ppk55
I dare the next poster to reference the apollo lunar surface journal as a source and I will prove to you what a sham that is.
Now his best claim to fame is the pornographic anime he's producing.
I'm surprise this thread is over 300 pages here. Not sure why you think that other thread infringes on the T&C here though?
19) Advertising: You will not advertise or promote other discussion boards, chat systems, online communities or other websites on the Websites within posts, private messages, avatars and/or signatures without prior written permission from TAN. You will not choose a username that is the same as a website domain, subdomain, or URL for which you are associated. Doing so will result in removal of your Post(s) and immediate termination of your account.
20a) Unauthorized Marketing: ATTENTION MARKETERS: You will not engage in efforts of viral or "stealth marketing" on these discussion boards without prior approval of TAN. If marketing activity for the promotion of any other commercial entity outside of these boards is discovered you agree that you are responsible for paying TAN $2.00 US for each "thread view" of the thread(s) in which your marketing messages are contained. Your acceptance of these Terms and Conditions of Membership for joining these discussion boards signifies your approval of these payment terms.
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by backinblack
Did you read the page? They first heard about him when Jarrah "Wikipedia Vandal" White tried to add his name to the list of "Notable Moon Hoax Proponents"." After some discussion, including a testimonial from Japan, they decided that he just wasn't "notable." No wonder Jarrah flew into a rage. Now his best claim to fame is the pornographic anime he's producing.
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Komodo
I think it actually detatches from the rocket once the film runs out and small chutes take it back to earth..
There's no re entry to worry about..