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Young Aussie genius whipping NASA in Moon Hoax Debate!

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posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 08:21 PM
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I didn't say NASA had doctored photos 'without making note of such'.... you said that. Putting words into my mouth.

I just said NASA has a history of doctoring and enhancing photos.

Example here about the classic Buzz Aldrin photo which was cropped and enhanced (adding the space above his head and not adding the back pack antenna, thus faking something).

history.nasa.gov...

So, according to your arguments against Jarrah... because NASA admits to doctoring some photos there is no reason why they haven't doctored all, and probably decieved us about other things too.

As for Jarrah's most compelling reason why men didn't go the moon... I'm afraid I can't pick one. There are lots I like.

All I can offer you is the reason I myself have major doubts.

Because no-one has ever repeated the feat. And independant photographic evidence of the LM on the moon just doesn't exist in a resolution high enough to believe.

So... I remain open minded. And you should stop hating Jarrah so much...




posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 09:08 PM
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So... I remain open minded. And you should stop hating Jarrah so much...


I thought you were skeptical... you know, questioning everything? Your trust in Jarrah is commendable. Why don't you trust mean old NASA in the same pure hearted way?



posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 11:04 PM
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Note: I am not taking advantage of my position at the top of this page because I have reason to believe that my worthy opponent, FoosM, being Australian, may be suffering due to recent flooding. My best wishes for him. We will resume when the playing field is more level.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:26 AM
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Because no-one has ever repeated the feat. And independant photographic evidence of the LM on the moon just doesn't exist in a resolution high enough to believe.


And the vids posted here of the landing sites have been HIGHLY enhanced...
But I'll believe they didn't go there when I see REAL proof..
You would think there would be one undeniable piece of proof, especially given this was the late 60's..
But that hasn't happened as yet..



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 08:37 AM
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But I'll believe they didn't go there when I see REAL proof..
You would think there would be one undeniable piece of proof, especially given this was the late 60's..
But that hasn't happened as yet..


Just out of curiosity, do you believe in World War II? Julius Caesar? What proof do you require? In what way are they different from the Apollo program? What makes the historical events of the 1960's any different than the 1860's? I ask because you had no trouble believing that China fired a missile off the coast of California a few months ago, despite all the evidence to the contrary. You fell for that media hoax, why are you "skeptical" about the Moon landings?

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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by manmental
 



So... I remain open minded. And you should stop hating Jarrah so much...


I thought you were skeptical... you know, questioning everything? Your trust in Jarrah is commendable. Why don't you trust mean old NASA in the same pure hearted way?


DJ... you love putting words in others mouths don't you?
I never said I was skeptical, I used the phrase 'open minded'... but I'm not surprised you don't know what that means.

As for stating I 'trust' Jarrah... dude... you invented that. I never said anything like that.

Is this how you treat all those with a different opinion than yourself?

Very sad. But, like I say, not too surprising... given your zealous attitude to defending all things NASA.

I have a healthy doubt about any outlandish claims from Government sponsered bodies, hence me doubting NASA being truthful all the time.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by Facefirst

Originally posted by manmental
reply to post by nataylor
 




Other nations such as India and Japan have confirmed some of the NASA landing sites.
Why would they lie?



Hiya Face,
Are you referring to the even more blurry photos than the NASA ones? How are they confirmation of anything at all? Unless you really want to see the LM in those photos. I see blobs and artifacts.

But while you are here Face... do you think there is a possibility that NASA faked some of the Lunar photos?



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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DJ... you love putting words in others mouths don't you?
I never said I was skeptical, I used the phrase 'open minded'... but I'm not surprised you don't know what that means.


My apologies. I misinterpreted what you said:


It is good to doubt and question.

Your own words.


As for stating I 'trust' Jarrah... dude... you invented that. I never said anything like that.


Again, my apologies, I misunderstood you when you said:


I think Jarrah is an intelligent and sincere individual and I really enjoy his videos.
He has almost convinced me we didn't go to the moon.



Very sad. But, like I say, not too surprising... given your zealous attitude to defending all things NASA.


You must be a mind reader yourself, or have read every single post I have made on this board in order to make that statement. In fact I am frequently critical of NASA and skeptical of some of their findings. For example.


I have a healthy doubt about any outlandish claims from Government sponsered bodies, hence me doubting NASA being truthful all the time.


I am also skeptical about government statements. (Or am I misunderstanding you again?) I am even more skeptical about individuals who claim they are in possession of knowledge that completely contradicts the entire accepted body of human knowledge. This is what Jarrah White does. A quick examination of his claims show them to be absolutely false. He is a confidence man who takes advantage of trusting, sorry, open minded, individuals to achieve some sort of personal gratification.

I am not in any way interested in "defending NASA" in this thread. I am simply trying to expose Jarrah for the hoaxer he is. Hoaxes murder the truth. They make it difficult for us to understand our past, and take pride in human accomplishment. So many of the "alternative history" theories share the same assumptions as Jarrah White'd cynical propaganda. "Humans are stupid and lazy." The great pyramid at Giza was an amazing accomplishment. Since people are stupid and lazy, it could only have been built by aliens. Ancient American ruins show remarkable astronomical alignments. Since people are stupid and lazy, this can only be due to extraterrestrial help. Humanity learned to till the fields and domesticate animals. People are stupid and lazy, so aliens must have taught them. You are perfectly welcome to believe this if you wish.

Just so you don't misunderstand me:


1hoax verb \ˈhōks\
Definition of HOAX

transitive verb
: to trick into believing or accepting as genuine something false and often preposterous
— hoax·er noun

Merriam-Webster

Jarrah White uses tricks, lies and deception to convince the "open minded" that 500,000 trained scientists and engineers labored for years in compartmentalized secrecy to design, construct and publicly launch a series of the world's largest rockets in support of a vast secret team of special effects artists, none of whom have ever listed their crowning work on their resume, harvested hundreds of kilos of meteors from Antarctica to fool geologists, tricked trained radio-telescope operators into believing that a tape recording being played to them was really coming from outer space and invented millions of pages of hard data of every sort so convincing that scientists and engineers still refer to them today. Preposterous.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by manmental

Originally posted by Facefirst

Originally posted by manmental
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Other nations such as India and Japan have confirmed some of the NASA landing sites.
Why would they lie?



Hiya Face,
Are you referring to the even more blurry photos than the NASA ones? How are they confirmation of anything at all? Unless you really want to see the LM in those photos. I see blobs and artifacts.

But while you are here Face... do you think there is a possibility that NASA faked some of the Lunar photos?


The logic dictates that NASA said there were landing sites at certain locations on the moon. The Japanese and Indian probes both noted geological disturbances in those locations. That's a little too much of a coincidence in my book. The Soviets back in the Cold War would love to have embarrassed the USA with evidence of a fake lunar landing. Why didn't they speak up?

I'm going to trust the trained and knowledgeable scientists of India and Japan for third party verification over some kid from Oz with anger issues and a youtube account.

I also might add that the kid in question has no technical training or background in ANYTHING space related and therefore is just giving his opinions and speculations. And I don't trust his "expert" references as he was shown in a previous video of his to having someone play an expert! Not real expert, but someone "pretending" to be a photographer! That's deceiving and makes me have my doubts of anything Jarrah presents.

I have no idea if NASA faked some of the photos. But I would hardly call NASA liars or frauds for adding more space above Buzz Aldrin's head in order to balance a photo. Especially since NASA openly admitted to it. It's done all the time in other industries for presentation purposes and seeing just how expensive it would be to send Buzz & Neil back up for a re-shoot, I can see NASA's logic in retouching.


I also can't see multiple fake landings on the moon being kept a secret for this long. With the sheer numbers of people involved, someone would have cracked by now and come out. Yes, other programs have been kept secret over the years such as stealth tech and the A-bomb, but there is a big difference between secrecy and intentional deception. Or keeping quiet versus lying. I think if the NASA landings were fake, the guilt would be too much for some people by now.

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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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Hey DJ...
Sorry for accusing you of a zealous defence of all things NASA.

Can I ask a hypothetical question?

Does an atheist have the right to call a priest a hoaxer because the atheist doesn't believe the beliefs the priest has?

Did you ever stop to think that Jarrah might actually believe what he preaches and therefore he is just doing his best, or worst, depending on the side of the fence you are on, to give credence for his BELIEFS.

If he truly believes then isn't it a bit much to call him a hoaxer?

He may make mistakes and/or embellish details but if HE truly believes them then who the hell are you or I or anyone else to call him a hoaxer.

The only person one can really accusing Jarrah of hoaxing is himself... that is if you truly believe he as misguided as you keep repeating.

Are you religious/ spiritual by the way?



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 11:35 AM
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I'm quite sure NASA really, truly believes it landed men on the moon. So who is JW to call the moon landings a hoax?



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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Does an atheist have the right to call a priest a hoaxer because the atheist doesn't believe the beliefs the priest has?


Only if the priest knowingly fabricates something to "prove" his faith is justified. If a priest sincerely believes and practices his religion, he is welcome to his beliefs. If, on the other hand, he concocts a bogus "miracle" to persuade others to follow him he is, by definition, a hoaxer.


Did you ever stop to think that Jarrah might actually believe what he preaches and therefore he is just doing his best, or worst, depending on the side of the fence you are on, to give credence for his BELIEFS.


Initially I thought he was merely ignorant. In his first video he clearly does not understand how shadows are formed. In subsequent videos he betrays his ignorance of basic physics, and so forth. Although his errors have continually been pointed out and attempts to educate him have been made, he not only refuses to correct himself but actually grows more violent in his propaganda. If you go back and read the series of posts that begin here, you will see why it is clear that Jarrah no longer believes his claims. It is necessary for him to distort material that he knows actually contradicts him.


He may make mistakes and/or embellish details but if HE truly believes them then who the hell are you or I or anyone else to call him a hoaxer.


Someone who truly believes has no need to invent lies. Jarrah lies.


Are you religious/ spiritual by the way?


I practice Soto Zen, it aims to remove delusions. The world is so filled with fundamental delusions I grow impatient with people who invent lies to intentionally create more delusions. It is literally demonic, from the Buddhist perspective.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 01:11 PM
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As for not returning to the moon:
Think of those annoying habits humans have:
1) They want to breathe
2) They want to eat/drink
3) They want to defecate
4) They want to survive (A few missions to mars didn't quite work out. If we had humans on those they would be dead)
5) They want to return home
6) In what field did technology *really* improve since the 60ies? Automation and building robots

So, it really saves a lot of money to send robots instead of people. And compared to the 60ies there are very, very few things robots could not do.
Look only at point 5: That one alone reduces cost by 50%
Look at point 4: It is declared NASA (and other Space Agencies) Strategy to send lots of cheap probes, and risk that some of them fail. Another big cost saver.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by manmental
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I didn't say NASA had doctored photos 'without making note of such'.... you said that. Putting words into my mouth.

I just said NASA has a history of doctoring and enhancing photos.


The defintion of "doctoring" in this context:

" : to alter deceptively"

So your own statement says NASA edited photos without making note of it. That is exactly what "doctor" means.


Example here about the classic Buzz Aldrin photo which was cropped and enhanced (adding the space above his head and not adding the back pack antenna, thus faking something).


At the link you supplied, NASA SPECIFICALLY STATES that they edited the photo on the magazine cover immediatedly below the photo itself!




"The simple answer is that when Neil took the original photograph, AS11-40-5903, the top of Buzz's OPS was at the top edge of the field-of-view and, therefore, that the original image necessarily does not include the antenna. When the image was prepared for release for publication soon after the mission, it was cropped at the bottom and sides and a black area was added at the top to give the released version visual balance."



So, according to your arguments against Jarrah... because NASA admits to doctoring some photos there is no reason why they haven't doctored all, and probably decieved us about other things too.


As I pointed out, NASA has "doctored" no photos. They have edited many for specific purposes (press, panoramic, etc), but every time that occurs, it is noted as such.


As for Jarrah's most compelling reason why men didn't go the moon... I'm afraid I can't pick one. There are lots I like.

All I can offer you is the reason I myself have major doubts.

Because no-one has ever repeated the feat. And independant photographic evidence of the LM on the moon just doesn't exist in a resolution high enough to believe.

So... I remain open minded. And you should stop hating Jarrah so much...


So you have nothing to add. Jarrah has been caught out lying multiple times, and yet he keeps on doing it, why?

Dozens of countries have been involved in sending probes to the moon, and every one has confirmed that Apollo did happen. What make you and Jarrah smarter than all the scientists and engineers in those "independant" countries?

And how about this, I'll stop "hating" Jarrah when he stops lying and apologizes for his previous misdeeds.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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I ask because you had no trouble believing that China fired a missile off the coast of California a few months ago, despite all the evidence to the contrary. You fell for that media hoax, why are you "skeptical" about the Moon landings?

I didn't fall for anything..The california event STILL hasn't been proven beyond doubt to be anything..
Same goes for the Norway spiral..
There's plenty opf proof WW11 happened but not so much proof as to WHY it happened and some of the events..

The world and history are full of mystery..History is written by man..Man lies...



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 03:14 PM
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BTW, I think in going back to your zealous attack on anyone you THINK is attacking NASA's story you actually read my post WRONG..

Note what I said and what you attacked.


But I'll believe they didn't go there when I see REAL proof..



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 03:25 PM
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Sorry, you're right. It somehow registered as a double negative in my brain,



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by DJW001
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Sorry, you're right. It somehow registered as a double negative in my brain,

No worries.


To be fair, I pointed out pages ago that you guys do seem to automatically attack..
I guess I can't blame you in one sense but It's still damn annoying to new posters..
Maybe take a break and lighten up..



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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This thread is SO long that it needs an index page..

Being new in the thread I know probably any question I have has already been discussed..
Would be great to have like,

pg 1-20 intro
pg 21-50 radiation
pg 51-75 shadows
pg 76-79 one Weedwhacker post..

lol, sorry weed. had to do it but an index would be good..



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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www.dailymail.co.uk...

Signals from seismic sensors left on the lunar surface by Apollo astronauts



It's an unlikely marriage between state-of-the-art and 40-year-old technology that has yielded extraordinary results.

Signals from seismic sensors left on the lunar surface by Apollo astronauts in 1971 have revealed that the Moon has a liquid core similar to Earth's.

Scientists at Nasa applied contemporary seismological techniques to the data being emitted from sensors placed by their colleagues during the U.S. space program's heyday.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... #ixzz1AODmkHBt


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