Fifth Column Movement : The United Nations, Your Country, and Defending Your Rights...

It's about time to speak to an element most people on ATS either rarely speak about at length, barely know anything about, and or only know a very limited amount of information in regards to, on various levels across the International Community that is ATS.

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The Fifth Column Movement and how these can literally not only undermine each independent country of those countries, we as international citizens love, but as well give assistance through both direct and or indirect means, to the United Nations.

Something I believe the majority of us here on ATS absolutely do not want to have happen, in order to not only destroy our national hierarchy, but as well limit our countries through answering more to the United Nations and their bloated bureaucracy.

First, we have to not only define a fifth column movement, but as well look at many different sorts and or types of those particularly nasty organizational nightmares.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Fifth Column

A fifth column is a group of people who clandestinely undermine a larger group, such as a nation, from within, to the aid of an external enemy.

The concept, as any concept dealing with enemies, is sometimes associated with the potential for, or paranoia of, "the enemy within," rather than its actuality.

FDR Warns of Fifth Column 1940/5/27


The Fifth Column


Liberals And Democrats As Terrorists' Fifth Column


Those videos show and or speak to what the basic and or general definition of what a fifth column movement is, when defined, under a certain set of parameters.

Know that I did not pick those based upon any partisan politics but upon their plain definitions.

I say this because I am neither "left-wing" nor "right-wing".

I am as well neither a Republian nor a Democrat, but a registered Independent.

I have taken great pains to make quite certain people here on ATS understand that.

Quite simply because of the divide and conquer nature of politics itself and the partisan bickering.

I suggest for each member discussing their particular thoughts on this thread to do some research.

Specifically upon their own country, deep within their own beliefs, and as well their heritages.

The reason this fits so well into the Political Ideology forum area is because it deals directly with your level of knowledge all of our countries, and our belief systems based upon those countries, and the International Charter of the United Nations.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Charter of the United Nations

The Charter of the United Nations is the foundational treaty of the international organization called the United Nations.

It was signed at the San Francisco War Memorial and Performing Arts Center in San Francisco, United States, on June 26, 1945, by 50 of the 51 original member countries (Poland, the other original member, which was not represented at the conference, signed it later).

It entered into force on October 24, 1945, after being ratified by the five permanent members of the Security Council—the Republic of China (later replaced by the People's Republic of China), France, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (later replaced by the Russian Federation), the United Kingdom, and the United States—and a majority of the other signatories.

Today 192 countries are the members of the United Nations.

As a charter, it is a constituent treaty, and all members are bound by its articles. Furthermore, the Charter states that obligations to the United Nations prevail over all other treaty obligations.

Most countries in the world have now ratified the Charter. One notable exception is the Holy See, which has chosen to remain a permanent observer state and therefore is not a full signatory to the Charter.

If there are 192 nations, within the United Nations, this means 192 different systems of Government.

In some way, shape, and or form, defined under many levels of bureaucracy.

This falls under the body of the United Nations Security Council and M.I.C.E.

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Of M.I.C.E. and Men : United Nations, Betrayal of Country, or Currying Favors for Respect?

The acronym of M.I.C.E. is defined as follows :

Quote from : Wikipedia : Motives For Spying

There are many suggested motives for spying that an individual may have.

In general, espionage carries heavy penalties, with spies often being regarded as traitors, and so motivating factors must usually be quite large.

There have been various attempts to explain why people become spies.

One common theory is summed up by the acronym "MICE", which stands for "Money, Ideology, Compromise or Coercion (depending on source), and Ego".

Other explanations have stressed the role of disaffection and grudges, or of personal links.

Here are a few book suggestions which might either assist you in discussing this, and or find ideas, definitions, and or viewpoints, and as well keep you knowledgable, to Deny Ignorance.

List of Book Suggestions :

The U.N. Exposed: How the United Nations Sabotages America's Security and Fails the World

The Tao Of Spycraft: Intelligence Theory And Practice In Traditional China

The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy And Its Geostrategic Imperatives

Secrets Of Street Survival - Israeli Style: Staying Alive In A Civilian War Zone

Kill Zone: A Sniper Looks at Dealey Plaza

KGB Alpha Team Training Manual: How The Soviets Trained For Personal Combat, Assassination, And Subversion

IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation

The next thing we need to look at is those political ideologies and or how they can influence, feed, and or be used as a coup to build a fifthe column movement.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Political Ideology

Many political parties base their political action and program on an ideology.

In social studies, a Political Ideology is a certain ethical set of ideals, principles, doctrines, myths or symbols of a social movement, institution, class, or large group that explains how society should work, and offers some political and cultural blueprint for a certain social order.

A political ideology largely concerns itself with how to allocate power and to what ends it should be used.

Some parties follow a certain ideology very closely, while others may take broad inspiration from a group of related ideologies without specifically embracing any one of them.

Political ideologies have two dimensions:

1.Goals: How society should work (or be arranged).

2.Methods: The most appropriate ways to achieve the ideal arrangement.

An ideology is a collection of ideas.

Typically, each ideology contains certain ideas on what it considers to be the best form of government
(e.g. democracy, theocracy, etc), and the best economic system (e.g. capitalism, socialism, etc).
Sometimes the same word is used to identify both an ideology and one of its main ideas.

For instance, "socialism" may refer to an economic system, or it may refer to an ideology which supports that economic system.

Ideologies also identify themselves by their position on the political spectrum (such as the left, the center or the right), though this is very often controversial.

Finally, ideologies can be distinguished from political strategies (e.g. populism) and from single issues that a party may be built around (e.g. opposition to European integration or the legalization of marijuana).

Philosopher Michael Oakeshott provides a good definition of ideology as "the formalized abridgment of the supposed sub-stratum of the rational truth contained in the tradition."

Studies of the concept of ideology itself (rather than specific ideologies) have been carried out under the name of systematic ideology.

Political ideologies are concerned with many different aspects of a society, some of which are: the economy, education, health care, labor law, criminal law, the justice system, the provision of social security and social welfare, trade, the environment, minors, immigration, race, use of the military, patriotism and established religion.

There are many proposed methods for the classification of political ideologies.

See the political spectrum article for a more in-depth discussion of these different methods (each of whom generates a specific political spectrum).

Literally, what I see as a fifth column movement, falls into the entire list of the conspiracy theories of our genre.

Quote from : Wikipedia : List of Conspiracy Theories

The list of conspiracy theories is a collection of the most popular theories related but not limited to clandestine government plans, elaborate murder plots, suppression of secret technology and knowledge, and other supposed schemes behind certain political, cultural, and historical events.

While a conspiracy is defined by law as an agreement between two or more people to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act, a conspiracy theory attempts to attribute the ultimate cause of an event (usually major political, social, historical, or cultural events), chain of events, or the concealment of causes from public knowledge, to a secret and often deceptive plan by a group of people or organizations.

Such theories usually go against a general consensus or cannot be proven using the historical method.

Purposely excluded from this list are proven historical conspiracies, e.g. the conspiracy to assassinate U.S. President Abraham Lincoln and members of his cabinet in 1865.

Which is why we in the conspiracy theory field of society are usually silenced and or discredited.

It is quite necessary for anyone involved with a fifth column movement to make 100% certain they are not caught.

This particular thread is inspired by the following threads of other ATS contributors, other than myself.

The Arizona Bill on ILLEGALS, Answer Me This?

...and...

Imagine there's no countries - It isn't hard to do

...and...

The Economic Hit Man—The Shadow Government’s Most Useful Weapon

...and...

The Skull & Bones 322 and why America Celebrated the Passage of the Healthcare Bill on 3/22

...and...

When did KKK = terrorists?

...and...

Mind Control: The True Tale of Manipulation

...and...

Why hasn't the UN placed sanctions on the United States of America?

...and...

You will Ask to be RFID chipped, you will praise its creation and cure!

...and...

Were Confederate soldiers terrorists? CNN Continuing The Domestic Terrorist Fears.

...and...

The Tea Party Is Over - The conspiracy to kill a grass roots political movement

Deny Ignorance, On All Levels, Research, Follow-Up, Identify, and Detect.

Stop being a puppet to the United Nations wishes and free your country through passive resistance to the machine.

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The Boy Who Cried N.W.O. : Are You Watching Puppet or Puppet Master's?

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Remember the fallen, never let their deaths fall upon deaf ears, and investigate every conspiracy.

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Starred and flagged.

This is a high quality thread and I am impressed with the effort you put into doing the research necessary.

I agree with many of your conclusions as well on these matters.

The FDR Video was a very nice touch, I might add.

I am short on time so I will come back soon and elaborate more on this subject as I would still like to check out some of the links you have supplied above.

I'll be back soon, hope to see this thread skyrocket to the top of the page.

Very nice work SKL

I agree with Muzzle the FDR video was a surprise. In all my years I must have missed that one.

S & F

I also agree with many of the points you made. I'll be curious to read what others from around the world have to say.

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Thank you so much.

The F.D.R. reference is because of the staged coup against the White House.

Which was stopped by none other than Smedley Butler.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Smedley Butler

Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed "The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye", was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps, and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history.

During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America during the Banana Wars, the Caribbean and during World War I, he served in France.

By the end of his career he had received 16 medals, five of which were for heroism.

He is one of 19 people to be twice awarded the Medal of Honor, one of three to be awarded both the Marine Corps Brevet Medal and the Medal of Honor, and the only person to be awarded the Brevet Medal and two Medals of Honor, all for separate actions.

In addition to his military achievements, he served as the Director of Public Safety in Philadelphia for two years and was an outspoken critic of U.S. military adventurism.

In his 1935 book War is a Racket, he described the workings of the military-industrial complex and, after retiring from service, became a popular speaker at meetings organized by veterans, pacifists and church groups in the 1930s.

In 1934 he was involved in a controversy known as the Business Plot when he told a congressional committee that a group of wealthy industrialists had approached him to lead a military coup to overthrow Franklin D. Roosevelt.

The individuals that were involved denied the existence of a plot, and the media ridiculed the allegations.

The final report of the committee claimed that there was evidence that such a plot existed, but no charges were ever filed.

The opinion of most historians is that a coup was not imminent, but that some wild schemes were discussed.

Butler continued his speaking engagements in an extended tour but in June 1940 checked himself into a naval hospital, dying a few weeks later from what was believed to be cancer.

He was buried at Oaklands Cemetery in West Chester, Pennsylvania; his home has been maintained as a memorial and contains memorabilia collected during his various careers.

War is a Racket by Smedley Butler


He was a hard-charging Marine, of similar quality as Chesty Puller, and equally as courageous.

I'm also a little short on time at the moment, but find the premise intriguing to say the least. I have to be out for a while, but when I come back in, I'll start going through the listed material and educate myself, so that I can participate in a fuller, more educated manner here.

S+F

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This is the United Nations, and there are a couple of things to note about its logo pictured above. That is a Greco Roman Laurel Wreath that surrounds the World. A world with a grid super imposed on it, a grid that is very much like the bars that one sees when locked inside of something.

The United Nations exists to install a one world government, through a series of treaties aimed at whittling away at each individual nation’s sovereignty and locking it into an international system, controlled by Rome, which is why you see the Roman Laurel Wreath surrounding the imprisoned world. It signifies that the world belongs to Rome.

Every significant nation but one has ratified the U.N. Charter and treaties and that sole hold out happens to be the Holy See! They have permanent observer status, but are not a signatory to any of it, or bound by any of it. Even though every nation on earth is bound in some way or another to Rome through 2,000 years of contracts that gives the Holy See great power and wealth over the world.

In other words, the United Nations is a Roman invention that Rome simply oversees and observes, because the world contractually has been almost entirely taken over by it.

The United Nations is that instrument that allows Rome to continue to govern all the nations, and Sheppard them into a one world government, through the agreements the member states, including ours here in the United States keep signing with it.

5 Days ago I published an epic thread here on ATS to discuss Rome and how All Roads Lead to Rome and it discusses, well all of what Rome has done to drive us to a one world Government and how the United Nations is a key part of that.

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The Roman Empire has never died, and it means to use the United Nations to create a One World Government.

As always my Spartan friend and good King, excellent research and a very important and rellevant topic and thread.

Thanks for inviting me to join in and mention, too, my own similiar work here on ATS to expose the plans for a one world government.

Big star and a flag and a hearty thank you for your great work and research.

Thanks for the mention!

The fifth column is a very interesting conspiracy. I think this has been done to the tea party movement, trying to make them look bad. Sending Sarah Palin to be the "leader" has really changed them. (after rereading, I realized that was mentioned)

This is one reason I research so many ideologies, even if they are heard of as bad. Many ideas, such as Anarchism and Communism have gotten a bad reputation due to the countries like North Korea, China, USSR, and many other countries (which are mainly nationalist communists). People think of Anarchism due to the word anarchy.

It is great that you brought this up. S & F

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In a follow up after thinking through some of your data. Washington is like an infested head. Full of Millionaire Lice. I can't speak to the rest of the world. But I can say that those millionaires are looking out for their interests and investments probably in China and not here at home and absolutely not looking out for the middle class Joe Sixpack.

The Fifth column is all smoke and mirrors and a crutch in which Our Government on this side of pond uses like a sledge hammer wielding it against the masses in order to carry out their agenda. ----spit!


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So.. I'm confused.. who's the Fifth Column? Conspiracy Theorist? That would make us bad people, the fifth column being the people siding with outsiders?

Or the media?

Conservatives?

Liberals?

Then, doesn't it depend on your own bias? I'm pretty right wing, and after checking some of the threads you list, I'd see people say, against illegal immigration as for America, those who "don't believe in borders" to be the traitors, or fifth column. But then I'm sure they probably think the same thing of me.

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The UN was founded by nations involved in WWII .. specifically, the US. It's headquartered in New York, New York. Italian nor Latin is an official language. Per GDP, wealth, population, military power etc.. the Vatican is among the lowest ranked. The Holy See also was not an original signer etc..

I don't know what it is with your hatred of Italians. Catholic Italians specifically.

Also that grid is Longitude and Latitude looking from the North Pole, hence the cross section.

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Originally posted by nenothtu
I'm also a little short on time at the moment, but find the premise intriguing to say the least. I have to be out for a while, but when I come back in, I'll start going through the listed material and educate myself, so that I can participate in a fuller, more educated manner here.

S+F

I believe you will find everything both interesting and as well intriguing.

The thread will be here for your return and I believe it will be pages deep.

Quite soon.

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My friend, Roman, and compatriot, what you mention is definitely right up there.

That these salacious bastards in the United Nations believe they can erase our boundaries, and that we as citizens of each country will stand for it, is tantamount to as much sheer stupidity as that of the sheep in the field too stupid to run.

For when the wolves are hunting in a pack as ravenous and cunning predators, you are either the eaten, or the survivor, or perhaps the man leading away from danger.

Much of this comes through one of the dirtiest of crimes against humanity.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Human Trafficking

Human Trafficking is the practice of people being tricked, lured, coerced or otherwise removed from their home or country, and then forced to work with no or low payment or on terms which are highly exploitative.

The practice is considered to be the trade or commerce of people, which has many features of slavery, and which is illegal in most countries.

The victims of human trafficking are used in a variety of situations, including prostitution, forced labor (including bonded labor or debt bondage) and other forms of involuntary servitude.

The sale of babies and children for adoption or other purposes is also considered to be trafficking in those children.

The Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish Trafficking in Persons, especially Women and Children (also referred to as the Palermo Protocol) is a protocol to the United Nations Convention against Transnational Organized Crime and defines human trafficking as the "recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation."

As of September 2008, the Protocol has been signed by 117 countries, and there are 124 parties.

Human trafficking is the fastest-growing criminal industry in the world, with the total annual revenue for trafficking in persons estimated to be between USD$5 billion and $9 billion.

The Council of Europe states, "People trafficking has reached epidemic proportions over the past decade, with a global annual market of about $42.5 billion."

The United Nations estimates nearly 2.5 million people from 127 different countries are being trafficked around the world.

Trafficking victims typically are recruited using coercion, deception, fraud, the abuse of power, or outright abduction.

Human trafficking across international borders requires cooperation and collaboration between states if it is to be tackled effectively.

The OSCE (Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe), an ad hoc intergovernmental organization under the United Nations Charter, is one of the leading agencies fighting the problem of human trafficking, with an area of operation that includes North America, Europe, Russia, and Central Asia.

The next this happens through corporations like Destron Fearing.

Quote from : Destron Fearing Website

Destron Fearing is a global leader in innovative animal identification.

With presence in over 40 countries worldwide we seek to provide real world ID solutions to match the ever increasing complexity and opportunities related to animal identification.

Since 1945 we have provided innovative products addressing the needs of livestock producers, companion animal owners, horse owners, wildlife managers and government agencies.

Destron Fearing provides a full complement of radio frequency identification products and software solutions to automate the collection of critical livestock production and carcass information.

Individual and herd information can then be easily transferred between all parties involved in the production and retail of meat products.

Information sharing allows the food industry to meet the discriminating demands of the market place.

Notice, 40 countries, already united, and this organization has been working since 1945?

This is because of the sheer bureaucracy and paperwork necessary to fulfill all of their plans, for a unified world, under one government, under a cashless society.

Through the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime this paperwork is documented.

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Quote from : Wikipedia : United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime

The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) is a United Nations agency that was established in 1997 as the Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention by combining the United Nations International Drug Control Programme (UNDCP) and the Crime Prevention and Criminal Justice Division in the United Nations Office at Vienna.

It was renamed the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime in 2002.

Clever is it not that their acronym is the U.N.O.D.C.?

Two faces, the United Nations, and the United States, selling dualistic programs.

The bio-chip through Verichip, Digital Angel, and Applied Digital Solutions is pushed through duplicitous and dual sources.

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The United Nations handles the bureaucracy while legislation in the U.S. pushes the bio-chip.

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By pushing us through "portals" they get it done quickly, quietly, and quizzically.

Originally posted by Phlynx
Thanks for the mention!

The fifth column is a very interesting conspiracy. I think this has been done to the tea party movement, trying to make them look bad. Sending Sarah Palin to be the "leader" has really changed them. (after rereading, I realized that was mentioned)

This is one reason I research so many ideologies, even if they are heard of as bad. Many ideas, such as Anarchism and Communism have gotten a bad reputation due to the countries like North Korea, China, USSR, and many other countries (which are mainly nationalist communists). People think of Anarchism due to the word anarchy.

It is great that you brought this up. S & F

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I agree with you on that because I have been saying since the inception of the "Tea Party", that Sarah Palin, was nothing more than an Agent Provocateur, slitting the throat of that grassroot movement.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Agent Provocateur

Traditionally, an agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs, French for "inciting agent(s)") is a person employed by the police or other entity to act undercover to entice or provoke another person to commit an illegal act.

More generally, the term may refer to a person or group that seeks to discredit or harm another by provoking them to commit a wrong or rash action.

By acting in the best interest of the people who willingly invited her in, she can destroy those loyal to the new party, and thereby guarantee the two-party system is sustained.

I have often said if we have but two choices, we have no choices.

The lesser of two evils, is still evil, and by choosing the lesser, you still pick evil.

I'll go out on a limb here and state that it appears to me as if perhaps Congress and the Executive Branch might be a fifth column according to the definition stated. Flame on

gj

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I dunno, especially after Spartans last post.. to me, it seem Liberals are the Fifth Column. They are the ones who hate borders, who love the UN, tout the mythical "International Law" every chance they get, prefer the destruction of culture, hate laws restricting illegal immigration, believe in sharing wealth (with the World) .. the list goes on.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
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The UN was founded by nations involved in WWII .. specifically, the US. It's headquartered in New York, New York. Italian nor Latin is an official language. Per GDP, wealth, population, military power etc.. the Vatican is among the lowest ranked. The Holy See also was not an original signer etc..

I don't know what it is with your hatred of Italians. Catholic Italians specifically.

Also that grid is Longitude and Latitude looking from the North Pole, hence the cross section.

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Actually it was founded by the nations of World War I after we refused to ratify the Treaty of Versailles and the League of Nations after the machinations of the Europeans were exposed in Congress after the War. The Rockefeller foundation through it's guise of the Council for Foreign Relations, infiltrated the State Department of the U.S. Government between the wars, and laid the ground work for the U.N. including donating the land for it in Manhattan.

Of the 49 original U.S. Delegates to the United Nations Charter Conference in San Francisco 47 of them were CFR members, and on Rockefeller's payroll.

In addition the man who headed our delegation and chaired the Charter Meeting of the U.N., Alger Hiss also a CFR member was also convicted of being a Soviet Spy, and sentenced to 10 years in prison a few years later.

I don't know what your problem is with the truth, except that it sets people free.

By the way, the grid over the Roman World surrounded by the Roman Laurel Wreath looks just like the one on my Barbeque Grill is that longitude and latitude too?

It's all in your face people, just like rockpuck!

Resist emotional exploitation and people feigning outrage, dare to know and speak the truth.

The United Nations is a plot to submerge the sovereignty of all nations and drive them to a One World Empire including our own!

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Nice layout SKL.

I just wanted to interject what the Founders of this nation saw as the problems in their time and their purpose of creating the form of government they did.

They knew of all types of intrigue and power. They may not have known all the ways of the corrupt and scheming but they knew of only one way to try and subvert these machinations before they even began.

Libertarianism and individual rights. To limit the power of those governing over those governed. Also to place as little power in the government as possible, while at the same time leaving the power of self determination in the individual.

I refer to the true meanings behind their words and meanings as ORIGINAL INTENT. Anytime I try and argue the merits or components of the Constitution, I try and frame my thoughts and reflections on this one tenet of Original Intent.

They trusted no one with power, no one. Even themselves. It did not take long for them to realize that the Constitution as written did not deter the power hungry and corrupt and it took only a few years for them to realize that they HAD TO create the Bill of Rights to further protect their intentions.

We see it today, our courts including the Supreme Court completely subvert the true meaning of this great Libertarian document. You could say the courts of this past century and a half, were one of the greatest fifth column victories, to ever be devised.

We now have the "priest class" of lawyers and academicians furthering the demise of this country and it's founding documents. I have argued with many a lawyer and others that the Original Intent is the ONLY way to interpret the Constitution. We now have people and lawyers stating that the "elastic clause" emboldens our government to pass any and all legislation to further the government's position of it's interpretation of the document.

They even go so far as to state that the rights of the government, if they have substantial interests, will outweigh the rights of the citizenry. Even if those rights take away the very rights of the citizenry.

Oh this raises my ire. The Original Intent of the Constitution in no way shape or form places the rights of government above the rights of the citizenry. It is such a grievous position and argument that I am amazed the Constitution does not burst into flames when asshats state such drivel.

A video explaining exactly what I am saying-

Rule of Law and indefinite detention.




This is one of those times that the Constitution, WRITTEN ON HEMP by the way, should have burst into flames. Look at it this way, if the Founders would want 20 guilty people to go free so that no one innocent person would go to jail, what would you say was their Original Intent would be.

I would argue that they respected the fact that society at large would have had to deal with those 20 guilty at a later time, so that the one innocent would not be subjected to tyranny.

I am slightly going off on a tangent here so back on track. I think Beck gave me the idea that TRUST is the current problematic component in our country today. When politicians have a worse favorability rating than say terrorists, I would say he is right. Take a gander at the favorability of Congress, the last poll was at what, 7%? I wonder if they did a poll on terrorists? Do you think maybe it would be higher than 7%?

I could list a huge number of politicians that BALD FACE lie, and people give them a pass! I am just going to post this video to prove my point-




Now we have this piece of #, forming the legislation to "supposedly" regulate the financial industry. They are not passing this legislation for actual regulation. It is the same thing day in and day out, they are creating controls to keep those in power, in power. Period. Next up, or is it part of it, Cap and Tax.

If anyone would like to look into "WHO" has the Carbon Credits components all set up and ready to go, it may open your eyes to what the hell is going on. Goldman Sachs and a bunch of politicians and other corporations are all set up to implement the largest TAX SCAM ever to rear its bloody head in the history of mankind.

Let me reiterate the Original Intent of the founders. They did not trust big government. They did not trust power in anyone's hands. They did not want the people to give up their God given right of self determination for the "supposed" security our government now uses, to define it's very existence and power.

Original Intent

I would say one more thing SKL, at what point in time do we say the 5th column is the very government, that rules over us in the name of the tyrants our founders warned us about?

To end my spiel, one more video-



edit to add, S&F and a little editing for gramma

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reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Actually the United Nations and the League of Nations are two different entities, both of which were spearheaded by the USA. The US drafted the ideas of the League of Nations but isolationist in Congress blocked it's ratification .. thus Europe entered it without the US. Afterwards we saw WWII and isolationism dissolved, giving rise to the United Nations.

Of the 49 original U.S. Delegates to the United Nations Charter Conference in San Francisco 47 of them were CFR members, and on Rockefeller's payroll.

Actually it was 50 signers in San Fransisco .. 1 was not present, Poland, who signed later.. total of 51 signers. The CFR is a group of PEOPLE, not COUNTRIES ..

In addition the man who headed our delegation and chaired the Charter Meeting of the U.N., Alger Hiss also a CFR member was also convicted of being a Soviet Spy, and sentenced to 10 years in prison a few years later.

Wouldn't doubt it, the UN is, has, and always will be a repository for Liberal activist.. no self respecting Liberal would ever support the UN nor communist ideology. Our delegate to the UN being a communist spy is funny, ironic, and not all that surprising.

By the way, the grid over the Roman World surrounded by the Roman Laurel Wreath looks just like the one on my Barbeque Grill is that longitude and latitude too?

Roman World? Pretty sure it was just the World. Maybe it's a conspiracy they are trying to turn us into roasted barbecue chicken.

It's all in your face people, just like rockpuck

I don't know what that's supposed to mean. But you're history was once again a wee bit off.

The United Nations is a plot to submerge the sovereignty of all nations and drive them to a One World Empire including our own!

I fully agree.

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Originally posted by SLAYER69
In a follow up after thinking through some of your data. Washington is like an infested head. Full of Millionaire Lice. I can't speak to the rest of the world. But I can say that those millionaires are looking out for their interests and investments probably in China and not here at home and absolutely not looking out for the middle class Joe Sixpack.

The Fifth column is all smoke and mirrors and a crutch in which Our Government on this side of pond uses like a sledge hammer wielding it against the masses in order to carry out their agenda. ----spit!


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Agreed.

The fact that Wall Street, lobbyists, and special interests run this country is obvious.

All of my life I know I was, and most likely you as well, taught that we are represented.

Representation is supposed to mean that we have a voice in politics.

If we know our voice is not listened to, as evidenced by SkepticOverlord's thread, seen below, then are we not only not being represented, but sidestepped as nations?

"Damn The Country, Obama Must Fail"

Bill, specifically went to Washington D.C., in regards to Internet Privacy.

And he came back and showed us exactly how we were not only silenced, but laughed at.

I find this troubling to say the least, and worrisome to say I have had many sleepless nights.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
So.. I'm confused.. who's the Fifth Column? Conspiracy Theorist? That would make us bad people, the fifth column being the people siding with outsiders?

Most definitely not, Rockpuck.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Or the media?

You're getting closer.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Conservatives?

Liberals?

Not necessarily, in fact deep and covert actors within, people with hidden agendas.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Then, doesn't it depend on your own bias? I'm pretty right wing, and after checking some of the threads you list, I'd see people say, against illegal immigration as for America, those who "don't believe in borders" to be the traitors, or fifth column. But then I'm sure they probably think the same thing of me.

Rockpuck, that is just it, there are so many levels to this, it is literally depressing.

It begins with events like Lincoln's assassination.

Next, we go to Jack the Ripper, and the British royalty.

Following that we go to Harry Houdini and his uncovering conspiracy.

The Secret Life of Houdini: The Making of America's First Superhero

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Amazon Review :

Handcuff King. Escape Artist. International Superstar.

Since his death eighty years ago, Harry Houdini's life has been chronicled in books, in film, and on television.

Now, in this groundbreaking biography, renowned magic expert William Kalush and bestselling writer Larry Sloman team up to find the man behind the myth.

Drawing from millions of pages of research, they describe in vivid detail the passions that drove Houdini to perform ever-more-dangerous feats, his secret life as a spy, and a pernicious plot to subvert his legacy.

The Secret Life of Houdini traces the arc of the master magician's life from desperate poverty to worldwide fame -- his legacy later threatened by a group of fanatical Spiritualists led by esteemed British author Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

Initiating the reader along the way into the arcane world of professional magic, Kalush and Sloman decode a life based on deception, providing an intimate and riveting portrayal of Houdini, the man and the legend.

[url=http://www.amazon.com/review/R2LKNDNMQYXMKK/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm]SKL's Amazon Review

Then we jump to the Reichstag fire.

Next is J.F.K.'s assassination.

The Oklahoma City Bombing is right up there.

And September 11th.

And now the "Bailout", "Swine Flu", and Poland's President dieing mysteriously.

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Actually the United Nations and the League of Nations are two different entities, both of which were spearheaded by the USA. The US drafted the ideas of the League of Nations but isolationist in Congress blocked it's ratification .. thus Europe entered it without the US. Afterwards we saw WWII and isolationism dissolved, giving rise to the United Nations.

Spear headed by United States Oligarchs and Industrialists, and secret societies like the Masons all beholden to Rome.

The league of nations was rejected by the U.S. Congress after World War I and quickly folded without a U.S. presence.

That's all historical fact, my overly emotional friend.

Interesting to see a Mason who's order claims to have saved the New World from Roman and Catholic hedgemony now defending the Vatican and Rome's machinations.

As you have displayed in numerous threads, your propensity to boil down, significant portions of history into pretty little soundbites by ignoring thousands upon thousands of pages of Treaties and Accords and hard evidence, is as disengenuous as it is false!

The U.S. Government was dead set against the League of Nations, and voted against the Treaty for it, it was the U.S. Oligarchs who wanted it, the same Oligarchs who wanted the Federal Reserve act and would benefit off of that too.

Cordell Hall the Secretary of State during World War II was a CFR member, the evidence is extensive when it comes to showing the manipualtion, including the manipulation that led to the fighting of both World War I and II, to foist the notion of a protective body like the U.N. on us.

The U.N. publishes millions of pages of important information every year that effects us all and has been since the mid 40's and your explanation of it is a paragraph long attacking anyone that questions the real truth and knows it?

My first impression of the material provided...

It is possible that we, the conspiracy theorists, are (unwittingly) a "Fifth Column Movement"... that all of the information we have (whether fact or fiction) has been given to us in order to stir up dissent and/or cause confusion and chaos.

Call me paranoid, but something tells me "TPTB" are prepared for the various potentials. They don't have just one plan, but many. They're not stupid. They believe they can turn almost any scenario in their favor.

There is serious mainstream dissent against our governments, banks, corporations... the TV is "waking people up", they're getting fired up, but many are still not interested in personal research and critical thinking. They still want to hold onto some particular ideology.

I'm not sure where I'm going with this... but it's a little frightening how unquestioning and easily-led the majority is. Personally, I am reluctant to believe anything, even my own opinions/ideas.

Which way is up again?

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I have to say, you have placed the exact reasoning behind my stance on Libertarianism and why power cannot be given to anyone but ourselves.

They have so many plans, how can we fight them.

The only way possible, to take the very power they want and have, out of their hands and place it where it belongs, in ours.

We as a people (the world, not anyone country or entity like the U.N.) need to step up and take our power and our responsibility seriously. If we do not, they will. Whomever you would put into that descriptor-they.

I believe this is the only way out of the machinations they embolden. I believe that is why the huge push on collectivism.

"They" can control a collective, but "they" cannot control individuals.

That is why the sovereignty movement is so vilified. They know that they cannot control sovereign individuals. They can only control the collective. That is why I was hoping that the TPM would not fall for any leader. They cannot kill something that has no head.

The Art of War. How do you kill an army, by going for the head not the body. If no head, you cannot kill it. Since no one was stepping up to be the head, as SKL put it, they placed someone at the head.

You are seeing people from the TPM and people like me not falling for it. I at first was tricked. I have to admit it, her initial homegrown attitude threw me. But, once the grooming began by the media I so distrust, it proved the meaning behind her attempts at directing the movement. Also the very backing of RINO's like John McCain proved it further.

Anyway, remove their power and no matter who "they" are, "they" will be stopped.