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Originally posted by broahes
I personally hate our Federal Government, and I blame them for Arizona passing this bill due to their inaction. I have to say that I am afraid that this bill will lead to harassment of legal citizens that may not be carrying any ID. You shouldn't have to carry the kinds of paperwork that they will be looking for if you are a legal citizen.. for those of you that think that it's fine that they want you to carry these papers.. I respect your right to believe as you want to, but please respect my right to disagree. Freedom is a choice that we must all make at some point, and it must always be a choice that we make alone. There is no freedom but individual freedom.
Originally posted by broahes
reply to post by Logarock
Well for one, who's to say that they will only be asked for ID when being stopped for traffic violations?
No one should have to carry ID on them if they don't choose.
You can have a driver's license and still be illegal. That is one of the things that I could never understand. You shouldn't be able to get a driver's license without proof of citizenship, which in a lot of states you still can. All Arizona would have to do is make it mandatory to be a citizen in order to get a license.. and if it is mandatory there, then I don't see why they would need more than a license.. making the point of this bill moot.
Again, why should you have to carry ID on you in your own country?
Thank you for at least asking a good question. I welcome your opinion.
Originally posted by Miracle Man
reply to post by Logarock
Do you realize how easy it is for illegals (all of them, not just mexican) to get a drivers license and a ssn?
Go to any construction job site where the majority is mexican and ask for a drivers license and a ssn card.
I promise all of them will have one and from personal expieriance 90 percent of them are fake. I know of a construction company who hires illegals and then charges a small fee to get them both forms of ID.
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by Miracle Man
reply to post by Logarock
Do you realize how easy it is for illegals (all of them, not just mexican) to get a drivers license and a ssn?
Go to any construction job site where the majority is mexican and ask for a drivers license and a ssn card.
I promise all of them will have one and from personal expieriance 90 percent of them are fake. I know of a construction company who hires illegals and then charges a small fee to get them both forms of ID.
Yes in fact a relative was dating a Mexican guy here in Ohio. This guy lived in a house full of guys that were laborers.
They had everything right there in the home to make fake IDs including stolen SSN and the works. I looked into this and found that its part of Mexican organized crime. One of the Cartels down there is the largest sourse of fake IDs in the US. If you know these guys they can even make your white ass one for a free.
Also these workers had to pay a % of their wages to the "handler" that got them here to beginn with.
This whole thing is major corruption. With US officals in on it as well. I would think the Arizona Gov has added security this mounth.
This is where I will add that my wife despises what illegal immigration from her country has done to the United States, as do I.
1) Look at Mexico's immigration laws. The Mexican government is hypocritical at every turn of this debate. What do they say when the US tries to involve themselves in internal matters? They have no right to complain about our laws, and look stupid when they try to talk about our immigration laws, when they have some of the toughest.
2) The Mexican people are quick to come here and protest our laws and our government, when they are generally complacent with doing anything to change their own government. Corruption in Mexico is rampant.
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by Miracle Man
reply to post by Logarock
Do you realize how easy it is for illegals (all of them, not just mexican) to get a drivers license and a ssn?
Go to any construction job site where the majority is mexican and ask for a drivers license and a ssn card.
I promise all of them will have one and from personal expieriance 90 percent of them are fake. I know of a construction company who hires illegals and then charges a small fee to get them both forms of ID.
Yes in fact a relative was dating a Mexican guy here in Ohio. This guy lived in a house full of guys that were laborers.
They had everything right there in the home to make fake IDs including stolen SSN and the works. I looked into this and found that its part of Mexican organized crime. One of the Cartels down there is the largest sourse of fake IDs in the US. If you know these guys they can even make your white ass one for a free.
Also these workers had to pay a % of their wages to the "handler" that got them here to beginn with.
This whole thing is major corruption. With US officals in on it as well. I would think the Arizona Gov has added security this mounth.
Just wait until this is challenged
if it is upheld
the practice can migrate to other things, that have nothing to do with illegals
Such a bad thing, I really wish you could see that
look what the terrorism fixes have unleashed upon the concept of privacy...
[edit on 29-4-2010 by Janky Red]
What exactly has illegal immigration done that she despises?
Agreed...but what difference does it make? When people bring this up...I don't know what their angle is. People are always say "look at Mexico's immigration laws"...yes they are tough...to the point of almost being inhumane...why would we want to look to them as an example?
Risking their lives by crossing a desert doesn't seem very complacent to me. If you lived in Mexico and your wife is from Mexico...then you know the government. Hell...we have Americans on ATS every day crying that they can't change the government...in the LAND OF THE FREE...they say this. But you expect the poor to somehow challenge the corrupt government of Mexico??? You know who has a good chance of fixing the corruption in Mexico...wealthy families like your wifes...not the poor. The poor has one daily goal...how do I feed my family.
First, let me say thank you for your long and thoughtful reply.
I don't think we disagree more than we agree.
I am tired tonight
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by Miracle Man
reply to post by Logarock
Do you realize how easy it is for illegals (all of them, not just mexican) to get a drivers license and a ssn?
Go to any construction job site where the majority is mexican and ask for a drivers license and a ssn card.
I promise all of them will have one and from personal expieriance 90 percent of them are fake. I know of a construction company who hires illegals and then charges a small fee to get them both forms of ID.
Yes in fact a relative was dating a Mexican guy here in Ohio. This guy lived in a house full of guys that were laborers.
They had everything right there in the home to make fake IDs including stolen SSN and the works. I looked into this and found that its part of Mexican organized crime. One of the Cartels down there is the largest sourse of fake IDs in the US. If you know these guys they can even make your white ass one for a free.
Also these workers had to pay a % of their wages to the "handler" that got them here to beginn with.
This whole thing is major corruption. With US officals in on it as well. I would think the Arizona Gov has added security this mounth.
Just wait until this is challenged
if it is upheld
the practice can migrate to other things, that have nothing to do with illegals
Such a bad thing, I really wish you could see that
look what the terrorism fixes have unleashed upon the concept of privacy...
[edit on 29-4-2010 by Janky Red]
I hear you and know what you are saying but it reamins to be seen. Not going to be afraid of that just yet.
As far as the terrorist fixes. What fixes do you mean? Speak plainly man.
The illegal problem in this country has to do with shadow operations and operators, organized crime and payoffs of many sorts. So some believe it is part of an large play. ok I can see that, they need a reason ect.
Only a bunch of dumbasses would let untold numbers of illegals move around unquestioned out of fear that a crack down will result in part of a plot comming to pass. We can do two things at once we can watch both.