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Originally posted by g146541
My view is, we are in a time of war folks. they are non uniformed insurgents.
I think the Juneva Convention has a perfect solution.
Originally posted by PapaKrok
reply to post by Wildbob77
Jail? I work in the county jail here... why should the county, state, etc have to foot the bill for his incarceration at $30,000 a year? Why should we allow them to take up space, clog the legal system and continue to present a financial drain on the local economy???
DEPORT. Let Mexico deal with it.
Originally posted by grey580
1. Yes. I'm sure you would. There would have to be a mechanism in place for processing those illegals. You wouldn't just poof insta legalize them.
2. Those legalized would need to also have their immediate families rolled into the immigration process along with the illegal immigrant. We need to fix the issue of why people illegally come into this country. And that's to make money to send back and support their families. If we get the illegals and their families legalized. They now have to pay taxes. Paying into the system and supporting local busineses.
3. We currently have a system in place to handle illegal immigrants. It is glaringly obvious that the system in place does not work. Punishing illegals by deportation doesn't work. They really don't have anything to lose. It's time for a different approach to immigration.
And lastly You are dead wrong. I don't own my own business. I'm not in politics. I'm not rich. While white I'm also hispanic. Both sides of my family came legally to this country back in the 60's. Columbia from my moms side. And Costa Rica from my fathers. Both sides of the family trace back to Spain.
You on the other hand aren't really looking to fix the problem. And the Closing the borders and deporting illegals approach does not work. And it will never work as long as the rewards outweigh the punishment.
Now if you still do not like my approach to solving the issue. Maybe I can offer an alternative.
The reason why most illegals come to this country is to work and send money back to their home country.
How bout we pass legislation that prohibits anyone not a citizen from sending money out of the country.
Make it a 10,000 dollar fine to send money on behalf of an illegal.
Make exceptions for people with travel or student visas or other legal immigrants.
Do this and you can manage some of the influx of illegal immigrants. It's not a perfect solution but it might help a bit.
[edit on 29-4-2010 by grey580]
Originally posted by TrudgeOk so if we made lets say 20 million illegals legal right, and then we brought all there family over, um we would then be adding around 100 million or more??????? I don't agree with that.
The sending money thing sounds good but there are to many ways around that. For one the post office can't open peoples mail being sent out of the United States. They could also get money to Mexico without it being sent in the mail. It might work if they wire money but not if they get a money order and send it in a letter or are able to cross back into Mexico or have a legal family member bring it back to Mexico.
Third, I do want to fix the problem and the only way I see to fix it is to stop illegals from comming into the United States. Making 20 million illegals legal in my opinion is a very very bad idea.
Originally posted by Flatfish
Sounds to me like we should also eliminate ICE. From what I've read in this thread, it sounds like we are paying for immigration enforcement and they "are not interested." Does anyone see a problem with this attitude.
For years, as a union rep., I too made numerous request to immigration enforcement officials to show up and check the legal status of employees that were being utilized by our competition. I even offered to meet them at the site and I agreed to provide coffee and donuts for the LEOs. Never once did they show up, even after telling me that they would be there.
After five years of lobbying the Washington offices of Immigration Naturalization Services to at least do a check for compliance regarding I-9 employment forms on both, our union and our competition, They did. The union had the highest compliance rate of any U.S. employer at the time. Our non-union competition was found to be 75% non compliant. No arrest were made and no deportations followed. All the while, the union continued to lose jobs to these illegal employees and their illegal employers.
If we are serious about wanting to solve this problem of illegal immigration, then we must demand Mandatory Jail Time For Employers, found to be guilty of employing illegal immigrants. Never once have I seen an employer go to jail for violating this law. At best they are fined and the fines are cheaper than hiring Americans. Put these unscrupulous employers in jail and you will solve this problem. So long as we continue to only focus on the illegal immigrant and ignore the employer we are fundamentally pissing into the wind, if you know what I mean.
Originally posted by desireforyou
reply to post by mryanbrown
Actually no, that's where you're wrong.
Anyone that is here that had to apply for citizenship has to carry around something that shows that they are a legal citizen, proof to show anyone like a police officer in case they are pulled over. Don't you carry around a drivers license? These people would too if they where legal, what says that they shouldn't? Do they not get to abide by ANY law of ANY land? Do they get to be the people on this planet that have no law affect them at all?
WHOOPEE LETS LET THEM BE FREE. FREE TO DO ANYTHING.
Originally posted by grey580
1. Oh I don't know. 100 million new americans. let's look at the pluses.
They will need housing. so that means more jobs in the housing market.
More housing means that the government gets more in property taxes.
The immigrants will need to buy things. that means local busineses will make more money. they will need more employess. more stores will need to be built to handle the load. more jobs and more jobs. more opportunities more innovation. I don't see it as a bad thing.
Sure there will be growing pains. But we are no strangers to growth and expansion.
2. no one sends cash in the mail especially to another country. It would get lost so fast your head would spin. And btw. Not all illegal immigrants are from mexico. You have some 20 other countries south of mexico and we aren't even counting the chinese that come in illegally into this country or other nations from the east and west.
Sure there are ways around sending money back to your home country. My solution isn't going to stop it. but it will put a dent in how much goes back home. And it will also make people think twice about comming here if they can't get money back home.
3. Let me be very clear about this. You cannot stop illegals from entering this country. It is 100% impossible to do this. The countries borders are too big. We don't have the man power to do this. You need to wake up to that fact. You cannot stop illegals from entering.
So guess what. You know have to find a different solution to the problem.
We can't shoot illegals on site. That would be immoral.
Deportation doesn't work. They just come back.
Detention doesn't work. Locking them up costs us money.
You need a different solution. Legalization is the way to go man. Just like we did in the late 1800's and early 1900's with the european immigrants comming into this country.
My agency owns three 50 person buses and it has already been calculated that laoding them up with 150 ILLEGALS, driving them to south texas and unloading would Cost $3200. Housing the same 150 ILLEGALS will cost us $11 a day EACH....thats $1650 a day for them, or $49,500 a month to house 150 ILLEGALS. Or again $3200 for a round trip to TX....so our plan was simple...ROAD TRIP
First states have no authority over immigration matters that power was given by the founders of this country to our legislative branch. You know the same constitution you choose to uphold when you enforce the law?
NOT TO MENTION IT'S NOT A CRIME TO BE HERE ILLEGALLY
Yes you found someone who was illegal, guess what they are everywhere. Not all of them are criminals.