Let's see working without paying taxes, free heath care, sucking the life out of Social Security, I might jump the border and then come back in illegally, so the tax payers can pay for me too. Illegal is illegal bottom line. Go AZ, about time someone decided to step up, in trying to stop an epidemic of breaking the law. For those south of the border coming into America the right way, Kudos, welcome to America.

Originally posted by Locutis
Let's see working without paying taxes, free heath care, sucking the life out of Social Security, I might jump the border and then come back in illegally, so the tax payers can pay for me too. Illegal is illegal bottom line. Go AZ, about time someone decided to step up, in trying to stop an epidemic of breaking the law. For those south of the border coming into America the right way, Kudos, welcome to America.

Please explain to me the details of how all that happens.

Where in Arizona do you live by the way.

Okay for one working under the table,which means not paying taxes, which in return does not pay into social security, meaning more going out not enough coming in to keep it afloat. Been to an ER lately, no one gets denied, guess who pays for the doctor visit. No not from AZ profile says OHIO.

I wasn't speaking about migrants I am speaking of illegals.

Ok first of all this is plain racism. Your concluding that just because one person happened to be a criminal, stealing identity, the whole hispanic race seems to follow the act. Greedy Americans want to send all illegals back to their original country because they think that us hispanics are causing nothing but trouble and ruining the country. Well the truth is hispanics have the same rights as any other American. California originated from Mexico and so did most of the southwest. Illegals pay taxes whether they want to or not. Any product in the store happens to have tax and many of the things available in life. So what im trying to get to is no one really has the right to acuse Illegals or hispanics of a crime or anything related to that matter. If i remember good, it was just 2 months ago where a white man stole my identity and purchased goods over the internet using my credit card. The guy was dumb enough to put his real information on the purchases and the bank tracked him down. Just because of that i cant blame the whole white race of being identity theifs. Illegals use fake identities for a reason; to stay out of trouble from racist immigration officers who think all latinos are illegal and live the dream life they always wanted. No american that has lived their whole life in the united states knows how tuff the Mexican life without money can be. They visit Mexico and the government has no problem with it. Many choose to stay and even cause problems. What would happen if a natural catastrophy occured and the entire US was in danger. Most of them would haul their lazy selves and go to Mexico and seeing what most of you are saying, Americans wouldnt even belong there themselves. Yet theyll stay without proper papers and rest while things get resolved. Its like the day after tomorrow where everyone crossed to the mexican border ilegally to help themselves. My main point is dont put your hate towards one race you think doesnt belong, because the truth is everyone is equal. Every race commites some kinds of crime individually not whole. You should all be putting your thoughts on something other than illegals because this country is on its ups and downs with the new changes from Obama.

I think everyone should be implanted with a microchip and without the chip your not a person. This is the only way the USA will be able to weed them out, Just think of it, A world of only approved people doing approved work that's the corporate way = Just kidding.

I support AZ and their new law, but I don't like where this is going, the USA is already a prison with so many laws that you break them everyday not even knowing it, we have more people in prison then the rest of the world if I'm not mistaken. what is the answer to this issue? take over Mexico? I feel for them because I've see their country and it's depressing, But working in construction I've see what they are doing here! taking jobs from Americans, and poor quality unskilled work they do, most of the illegals I've worked with are good people that just want to make money to live and they resent the work they have to do here and I think that is why the poor quality.

Just think about how to prevent this issue? A state or fed ID card to open a bank account and all paychecks direct deposited? Not far from a cashless country and a micro chip in the head.

The greedy business owners here in the USA are where we start first they hire illegals because they can make money off them.

1. No taxes
   
2. No health care
   
3. Less pay
   
4. No SSI
   
5. No lip
   

and if they hire someone with fake papers or with no papers? the employer should have to pay a BIG fine and all the taxes and SSI that the illegal would have made. And if the states go over business taxes correctly no one could get away with hiring an illegal.

People need to make up their minds either no big brother or full on chip in the head and NO SOUP FOR YOU if you gots no chips.

Originally posted by Locutis
I wasn't speaking about migrants I am speaking of illegals.

In my experience - - even other Mexicans don't know who is legal and who isn't.

Unless you are a very close family member or had something to do with acquiring fake papers - - ya don't know.

It is not something they talk about in first person.

We all know that police are ordered to release illegal aliens criminals wile detaining and imprisoning citizens for the same crimes.


If people really knew how many illegals caught committing crimes are released without charges they would freak out.

most of the time the crimes are never documented because the cops know they will be turned loose, so the cops wont even make the arrest.

Those folks who say that this law will be abused so this law must be racist needs to apply reality a bit more to there thinking.

Its abusive to citizens to have double standards for criminals based on citizenship, Im surprised there has not been out right war due to this neglect by the federal gov.

Arizona must act in the interest of the people it serves.

Give him a trial???? Good God! The person was here illegally. He stole someone's identity. He is most likely a dirtbag in his own country. WHY SHOULD U.S. CITIZENS TAKE CARE OF ANOTHER COUNTRY'S CRIMINAL??

They are not citizens!!!! Apply like the good immigrants did and earn your way into this country!

Originally posted by Wildbob77
Personally, I think that he should be given a trial.

If found guilty, he should have to pay his fine, do his time and then immediately be deported.

So let me get this straight, you want to PAY HIS COURT AND DETAINMENT COSTS? No, absolutely NOT. send them back and let their own country, be it Mexico, Canada, Bolivia, Saudi Arabi, ect..., pay to keep them in jail and their lawyer costs. I'm tired of having our tax money spent on other peoples problems. If they are CONFIRMED illegal, send their @$$ back to their own country of origin.

We are NOT responsible for taking care of other countries issues, but yet a majority of our population thinks we should. Why, you ask? Because they think their 'moral compass' is better than the blind justice of the 'legal compass'.

If I break the laws, my butt is paying a fine, sitting in jail, and getting hit hard later in life. THESE ILLEGALS DONT HAVE LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES. They'll just get a new FAKE S.S.N. and start hurtng more people as soon as they get out of jail, if we don't take the neccessary measures to ensure this is stopped. It will take some time, but it will get fixed if we stop worrying about the well being of convicted illegal alien criminals, and focus on the well being of the LEGAL AMERICAN POPULATION!

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I believe it's true of Arizona and many other states that there are plenty of "Laws" on the books forbidding the reporting of illegals. For example schools, hospitals aren't allowed to report an illegal when they show up. If the "Government" was sincere about the problem they would repeal "Laws" not fabricate new ones. What this law does is fool the public into thinking they are addressing the problem when they are using the problem to create further attempts at universal control.

Anyone who harbors an Illegal by any means is really involved in treason against their state. By the language of Mexico, they are harboring the enemy. Claims of entitlement to be in the uSA are a declaration of invaders and an act of war. The people who are actively supporting illegals should be treated as traitors and agents of a foreign power. They should really be stripped of state sovereignty and departed. If they have children the children should go with them with an option to return as adults.

A lot of these issues get caught up in misdirection. The real problem is not limited to the illegals but the traitors within the state that support them.

I think the issue is that immigration officials are unable to respond correctly, or are just unwilling. I think that police have enough on their plate to have to deal with immigration problems. Law enforcement should deal with just that, law enforcement. Illegal immigration is a problem for sure, but it should be dealt with by people with the proper training. If the response you get from them (INS) is that they are not interested in dealing with a known illegal immigrant then the issue lies with them, not with the powers granted to law enforcement officials.