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If they are given amnesty, that means they become legal and are then allowed to vote!
Like the guy earlier stated, IF they are granted amnesty for being an illegal immigrant, which is their only offense here, it means they now become a legal immigrant. They, as the LEOs would be concerned with, would then be considered a citizen with FULL citizsenship... meaning they'll be able to vote.
Originally posted by aboveandbeyond
Illegal means illegal, so no matter how we decide to sugarcoat it, the problem is still there...
Originally posted by beyondsense
I think that, maybe except for some other nationalities, Mexicans have every right to cross the border and remain in Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, California, etc., as long as they want, however they want, it's really their land as the U.S took it illegally from them. In other words, they're reclaiming what it's truly still theirs. Why do you think Los Angeles is called as such and not "The Angels", or Nevada isn't called "Snowed"? These are Mexican names. If anything the Americans who live there need to get the hell out and learn that they are living in occupied territory.
Originally posted by Identified
reply to post by Seitler
Amnesty only means they would now be able to adjust status. It doesn't give them citizenship it only would give them the ability to file for citizenship.
I am against general amnesty because it is a slap in the face to all those who worked to come here legally and often had to wait many years to do so. While these people just skipped across a border and now have the same rights??
Originally posted by vipertech0596
My idea on illegals...
Give them 45 days to present themselves to a law enforcement agency and pay a $2,000 fine. At that point, issue them an identity card and require them to present themselves again in three months at which time they must show a proficiency in English and a knowledge of United States History.
Originally posted by sdcigarpig
The question should be, what would have happened if he was a legal citizen of the United States of America, what would the penalty be? As he is an illegale immigrant and he did violate the laws, ruin someones credit, I would say, first confiscate all of his belongings and sell such, take all money he may have had on him, the proceeds going to the victim of his crime, then deport him, after getting as much information from him. Then send the Mexican government a bill for the damages he caused, demanding reparations for the trouble. If they don't pay, well then sue them for trillions of dollars of damages against the citizens of the United States of America perputrated by their citizens against our country. Cut the aid and assistence.
Originally posted by mishigas
Call me insensitive but racial profiling is not the worst thing that can happen to a person. Not by a long shot. And the fact that it is an issue that can be so easily avoided by carrying the correct ID makes it even more of a non-issue.
Catch a plane, show your ID. Get a job, show your ID. Use your credit card, show your ID. I mean, what's the big deal?
Originally posted by belidged
reply to post by rcwj1975
The time in our history has come where it is ever present that the Federal Government has proven to the people that the people's best interest is not the main objective. In the past 9 years we have seen a rapid degradation in the value of our currency and our standard of living, and a rise in the willingness of our ever expanding government to demonize the people of this country.
We shouldn't let the "Fed" tell the states or the people what to do. The states should be telling the "Fed" what they should be doing about this issue just like Arizona did.
I don't think it should end there. In order to accurately fix the immigration problem we need to end the phony war on drugs because PROHIBITION DOESN'T WORK!
Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by richierich
Posts like yours make me howl with laughter. I can count on one hand the number of times I have been "harassed" by a cop. ONE, and that was only because he thought I was trying to steal a car (my friend had locked her keys in it and we were trying to open it)
99 times out of a 100, when a cop "harasses" you...its because you are doing something to arouse suspicion.