Deport Children of Illegals: Hunter

reply to post by antonia


No the child doesn't have to be legal. You must have conviently missed the part that says....

many legal immigrants and the citizen and /or resident children of undocumented immigrants can qualify for food stamps and health insurance.

Resident children of undocumented immigrants are not here legally, they are simply residents of the state.

This btw makes the state of Illinois guilty of a federal crime by aiding and abetting an illegal immigrant. So it's ok for states like Illinois to break immigration laws, but it's not ok for states like Arizona to uphold them ? I'm sorry but there is something wrong with that kind of reasoning.

Even if it were only 5 million or so people multiply that by the enormous amount of money that is spent on their health care and food , that's a whole lot of money. Money that illegal immigrants are not legally eligible to receive.

I don't believe that all illegal immigrants are receiving welfare benefits, but I do believe that it very possible that is more than 7 million. And I'm not just talking about those that receive the whole welfare package, there are those that only receive medical and food stamps, or simply one of them, it's still a drain on our economy and the tax payers.

While the cash benefits of welfare are temporary, the food stamp and medical benefits can go on for years and years. If an illegal immigrant comes here with two children ages 1 & 2 and the parents do not make enough money those (resident) children can receive medical coverage and food stamps until the age of 18. And if you dig deep into the website under medical you will see that illegal immigrants (regardless of age) are eligible for coverage for emegency medical treatment. Yeah that just makes me wanna dance in the streets knowing that I have to pay for an illegal immigrant's emergency room visit (through public aide), but if I have to go to the emergency room I can't get the same help.

Now if those parents lie and say they live with family and have no income they can receive the maximum amount which is $367 in stamps for those two kids every month. That comes out to be $4,404 a year . Now let's say that in Illinois there are 5000 illegals with two children that comes out to be $22,000,000, for food alone, I can't even begin to imagine how much their medical expences cost. I'm sorry but that's an enormus drain on our economy and tax payers. And how many of those illegals are working for cash which means they pay no income tax and therefore don't put into the system what legal citizens do, therefore they're not putting in, but they sure as hell are taking out.

Now I'm only speaking about Illinois because I don't know what goes on in other states. And while I know that not everybody scams the system, I don't find it hard to believe that someone that commited a crime to enter this country in the first place is not going to be totally honest with the system. I don't find it at all hard to believe that these same people are in fact scamming the system, I see it here everyday. Like the lady that lives down the street has 3 kids and 2 grandkids (lives in her brother's building, he's legal) and gets $900. a month in stamps & sells $300. every month. And I know for a fact that she does this because she talks to my daughter in law and has had her ask me if I wanted to buy any.

As far as the number one welfare receiptient being a white single mother you can't really legitimately make that claim unless you use the racial demographics to substantiate it. Also they use the mother's race to come up with those statistics. Maybe you don't see people whining about that because you can't compare a legal citizen receiving welfare benefits with an illegal immigrant.

And if you actually read my previous post I wasn't debating the fact of how many welfare receiptients are illegal immigrants, I was debating the fact that you said that illegals couldn't receive welfare benefits which is not true. Resident children of undocumented immigrants are not legal citizens. American citizens should not be forced to pay for the food, housing, or medical needs of illegal immigrants.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


I don't believe you're right.

Many of them would simply go home. You attach a financial penality directly to the government of Mexico and believe me, they will go home on their own, rather than face the Mexican government.

We have the facilities in place. Military bases in reasonable climates would suffice and to the exent that there was insufficient space, tents could be used. Surely conditions acceptable for our troops are good enough for criminals.

As far as the children born in the US, again, they can either become wards of the state or go home with their parents. Should they go home and renounce their citizenship, we're good. To the extent that they retain their citizenship they would be subject to US income taxes, the same way other US citizens are for income they make outside of the country. From many of the posts on this thread, many of these kids are going to become engineers, doctors, lawyers etc and not be laborers. Thats a lot of coin we should be able to collect.

Originally posted by earthdude
Just imagine if the situation was reversed. Put yourself in the place of the poor immigrant. Now tell me how you are going to survive and obey the law. Would you die to uphold the laws of Mexico?

Rather than leave my homeland, and fight to force another society to carry my burden, or to change their way of life so they can accommodate me, and force other families to allow their laws to be broken, and their country invaded, I would see that it is most logical to change the circumstances in my home country.

You people just really don't see how insane this is.

No other country on Earth would allow millions of foreigners to come into their country illegally, and demand that they are taken care of, and that laws are broken for their benefit.

It's insane. These people are parasites. What they are doing, is against the will of the majority of this country's citizens.

People like you are simply being used and manipulated. They are "fishing" for bleeding heart, pie-in-the-sky, non-realists to champion their cause.

It is already obvious that law, and respect mean nothing to these people.
They see an easy way out of their problem, and they are running for it. And, they will continue to do so while in this country, because people like you are saying it is ok.

Why can't they go back to Mexico and make the same threats?
Because it would not be tolerated. Nor would it be tolerated in most other countries around the world.
Yet, they have no qualms about making them in our country. Why? Because people like you will protect their rights to do so.

And, on a side note: Americans have been dying to change laws, and make humane adjustments for our citizens for many, many, many, many years.

African Americans did not run off to Canada or Mexico because things were unjust here! They made a stand, and fought to create change in their own country.
And, before them, the Italians, the Irish, and the Native Americans are still making it happen. But, all were legal citizens of THIS country. All fighting, for the most part, within the letter of the law.

They did not run north or south, and force those countries to bend to their will.

So, if Americans can die to make changes within our country, why can't Mexicans do the same?

Seriously. I think this is a valid question.

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According to our laws ( flawed ones in my opinion) the children are CONSTITUTIONAL CITIZENS..that's been established. Their parents are the ones that need deportation, and the children will suffer for their illegal actions.

As far as the 'brown' issue goes, I say (D) ALL OF THE ABOVE.

Irish=OUT
ASIAN=OUT
Hispanic=OUT
Black=OUT
Anywhere from Europe=OUT
Anywhere from outside our borders=OUT

We need to enforce these laws or else we will continually crumble under the weight of Illegal Immigration and all of the 'bonuses' that come with it. It is not America's job to feel GUILT for whatever burdens they have.

They had a choice, nobody forced a gun to their head and made them come here. Yes, America made it easy for them to, and our Corporations aided in the breaking apart of some of their economies (specifically Mexicans), but they had a choice.

I sympathize with their struggles, but we have struggles of our own. And nobody wins when one's struggles become another person's. Illegal Immigration should be dealt with once and for all.

Mexico needs to fix it's own societal problems and their citizens need to go back, grow some cajones, and take their fight to their officials. The BILLIONS they siphon off of us to support their economy back home has been payment enough.

We need to end this.

I think there are a few general misconception here.

1. US citizens think that they are the only country with an illegal population in the millions. There are a few. And there are countries with hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants that are smaller than the US.

Illegal immigration

2. People in the US think that people are not being deported or that anchor babies help keep illegal parents in the US.

"Arizona led the nation in deportations, making up about a fifth of the total 349,041 illegal immigrants deported nationwide, ICE officials said. The fiscal year ended Sept. 30. "

Arizona Deportation Soar

"Based on that finding, at least 13,000 American children have seen one or both parents deported in the past two years after round-ups in factories and neighborhoods. The figures are expected to grow. Over all, about 3.1 million American children have at least one parent who is an illegal immigrant, according to a widely accepted estimate by the Pew Hispanic Center in Washington. "

NY Times article

3. US immigration policy is soft.

If you check the numbers on illegal immigration around the world you will see that most countries are about the same.

Also read up on the requirements that someone wishing to come into the country has to fill and you will see why many realize that they will not be granted permission so they immigrate illegaly. Not saying it's right but those are the facts.

4. It is a crime to be illegal in mexico

Not so but the only info I could find was in spanish. Basically saying immigration has been decriminalized since 2008.

Despenaliza México la migración ilegal

illegal's are a problem, but they are a small problem the truth is the people in government and all business owners capitalize off illegals by way of cheap work that destabilizes the work for the ones that are leagal, and also the ones that are in office like the drug czars and others make a huge profit off the drug trade. Building walls never worked it just makes the problem more complex. The truth is illegals are more profitable then citizens, and again they are a small problem. You all got yourselves in this mess when you gave the power to those that dont give a rats ass abouth america as long as they get rich, if you want to see them they are in the news everyday they are the people you worship. All true capitalistic society's will eat themselves up, and get taken over by the barbarian's, and no illegal mexican dudes aren't the barbarians they are just the ones getting used by the mexican government and the usa government for the profit of the few among the many. What the # do you thing people like carl marx and lenin were fighting against when they came up with communism, they were against the social injustice of the have and the have not's, only back then the haves called themselves the aristocracy the kings and queens of europe. Illegals and there children is not a huge problem, the problem is the idiots that believe its a huge problem, they are used by the powers that be for profit. You make a problem set a wild animal loose in the streets a wolf or something then you go to the sheep and you say look theres a wolf and if theres one wolf there will be more loose on the streets, but if you all give me your vote and some money ill take care of it, then rinse and repeat. Voila you have solved a problem, the problem of how to use idiots to make yourself rich. This seems like a internal problem not an external one.

reply to post by antonia


I think that you will be hard pressed to find any place in either of my previous posts where I claimed that the vast majority of people getting benefits are illegal. Frankly, I also have no idea how many the PAC's and Lou Dobbs are or have claimed are on welfare. That really has nothing to do with my posts at all.

The fact is, it IS a question of what you want to believe because you are the one making the claim that illegal immigrants don't get any welfare and you have been offered explanations that contradict your claim and you are still trying to claim that you know better than those of us with the personal experience that proves otherwise. My posts have nothing to do with arguing any numbers, just correcting the misinformation that you posted as it relates to illegal immigrants being able to get welfare benefits in the state of Illinois.

So, the problem in logic is not mine. As to dishonesty, the fact that you claim in your post that I am the one to sit there and blame it all on illegals, when that is absolutely and provably false, shows that I am not the one here with the dishonesty problem. If you have to lie to make your point, you don't have a point worth making.

Yes, illegal immigrants in Illinois CAN and DO get welfare subsidies, to claim otherwise is just flat out untrue. Stop doing it.

Take care,
Cindi

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


People that say that Illegal Immigration is a "small problem" USUALLY don't live in a border state or border city. I don't know if you do or not, but usually that's the case.

I live in Los Angeles County. This county alone has the population of some small STATES. If you came here and told ANYBODY, including Illegal Immigrants, that it was a"small problem" you would get laughed at, or ignored.

It's always a "small problem" to someone else, who doesn't deal with it DAILY. I deal with it EVERYWHERE I step in Los Angeles. It's all around us. There are only a handful of places it doesn't affect. I can literally step out of my front door and run into 20 Illegal Immigrants on my way to the store.

It costs border states HUNDREDS of billions. And those numbers are just minimal figures. Nobody even really knows the true all over impact of it. Illegal Immigration could very well have tentacled out into so many different areas of our society, that there is no way of tracking it all.

Billions of dollars to state or COUNTY budgets may not be a big deal to you, but it can mean the difference between a happy and unhappy population. It can mean the difference between having enough to survive or completely going broke.

For anyone who feels this is not a big deal, PLEASE come to Los Angeles and stay here for 5 years. Let's see how you feel then. Let's hear how much 'compassion' you have after that time. I can almost guarantee any "politically correct" notions or romantic views you have, will be gone.

We the PEOPLE, in the border states need all the help we can get. It is a MAJOR deal for us.

BY the way, I know plenty of Illegal Immigrants in REAL LIFE. I have been friends with a good enough amount to know what the deal is.

There are MANY that make over $25 an hour. They come onto a skilled trade at a low wage, but they are usually employed by another "immigrant owner" , who feels he can't replace him because he knows the ins and outs of the business. After 6 years on the job, the Illegal is making pretty good money (for this economy).

They do NO all make below minimum wage. Many of them here drive Escalades and other HUGE SUV's with all the toys to go with it. They're not all 'poor'. It's only the BRAND NEW Illegals here that are just starting out that are the ones at the 'low wage' levels.

ALl the other ones who make more have worked on their accents, dress more "American", established themselves more in the communities, but they're still ILLEGAL.

"Jobs Americans won't do"????? HAHAHAHAHA Do you know how many MEXICANS I know that laugh at that statement. They know it's a joke. THEY don't even believe that. Sure, the lawn mowing and fruit picking stuff...not much else. They know it's the WAGES Americans can't take.

Housekeepers made decent wages at one time. And LANDSCAPING was an art which got good money, until Illegal took over the whole industry. Now they're CUTTERS< PLUMBERS, INSTALLERS for HVAC, SECURITY SYSTEMS INSTALLERS, AUTO DEALERS, AUTO SALES, RESTAURANT OWNERS, RETAIL OWNERS, I could go on and on.

Jobs Americans won't do?????????????????????????????? HUH?????????

Let's see....an American single male who lives alone.... or a married MEXICAN with 6 people in the home, including his brothers, his cousins, nephews, and wife.
Who do you think has a better chance of making their money last?

It's laughable. Do you people even know how many CITY EMPLOYEES here are Illegal? Yes....the friggin CITY EMPLOYS them. They sit at desks and have their own cubicles and phones and speak 'pretty good English"...but they came over the border in their teens, now they're in their 30's making 20-30 an hour for the CITY, because they forged all the right documents and established a seemingly AMERICAN identity.

The brand new Illegals pull up to the county service offices in BRAND NEW CARS. The Armenian Illegals here drive BMWs and MERCEDES BENZ for Christ sake. They run Credit Card scams, or their family member owns a car dealership and they get OUTRAGEOUS deals on new cars. Illegals driving around in BMWs and clothes even I can't afford!

Poor Illegals?????

And the Hispanic ones go to county services (medical building) to get what?
Take a wild guess one of the TOP "services" they are there for at taxpayer expense....

WANNA KNOW? F**KING VIAGRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you believe it? VIAGRA???
By the loads. Why? Because they're usually Catholic, don't believe in birth control and are OBSESSED with their sexual performance.

This is just a TASTE of what happens here. I could write a friggin book about it all.

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reply to post by Prove_It_NOW


Well said. I can see you know what you're talking about as opposed to a lot of armchair "sympathizers" around here. Many similarities here in S. Texas.

My question is, how many little Chapo Guzmans, Vicente Carrillo Fuentes', Pablo Escobars and "Scarface" types are setting themselves up on our side, taking shipments from their counterparts over there. With the vast sea of illegal aliens, it becomes very difficult to find these types. Soon El Paso, San Antonio, Laredo, San Diego, LA and Phoenix will be like Ciudad Juarez and Monterrey.

Originally posted by 1SawSomeThings
reply to post by Prove_It_NOW

 

Well said. I can see you know what you're talking about as opposed to a lot of armchair "sympathizers" around here. Many similarities here in S. Texas.

My question is, how many little Chapo Guzmans, Vicente Carrillo Fuentes', Pablo Escobars and "Scarface" types are setting themselves up on our side, taking shipments from their counterparts over there. With the vast sea of illegal aliens, it becomes very difficult to find these types. Soon El Paso, San Antonio, Laredo, San Diego, LA and Phoenix will be like Ciudad Juarez and Monterrey.

Setting themselves up? they have been moving 10's to 100's of billions of dollars a year for the last 20 or 30 years within US borders.

do the math - why the illegal business is thriving

How to find these types within the vast sea of illegal aliens?

Well they are not the ones standing in a parking lot waiting someone to offer them some work.

Probably living in multi-million dollar mansions. Yachts, fancy cars, private jets. Don't bother looking for them they probably also have cops, judges, DA's and even border patrol agents in their pockets.

One more thing they may not be Latino.

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What a scary and serious slippery slope people are advocating. What is the next step? If someone decides they don't like someone, they start questioning lineage.

The very same people who are afraid of communism are now trying to set the foundation for it.

Originally posted by OldDragger

We in California pretty much know Hunter is a moron.
Blatantly and without a shadow of a doubt unConstitional!
The Constitution is crystal clear that anyone born in America is a citizen!
Aw, the freedom loving "patriots" of ATS the LOVE The Constitution
(when it suits them) have obviously never read it!

Thus why we have an "illegal" problem....BECAUSE of that one sentence in the Constitution.....
In any other country, people would not be ALLOWED to stay long enough to HAVE CHILDREN.....I couldn't do it in Sweden.....couldn't do it in Canada,,,,,Germany....most place, (last I checked) only allow you to stay for a few months without applying for a green card...or whatever...

And how lame to accuse people who feel enough is enough in this "illegal immigration" situation...if being racists.....personally...I don't care WHERE they came from.....you don't have a green card and you've over stayed your welcome.....buh-bye....or off to jail for you.....

Originally posted by Cornczech
Thus why we have an "illegal" problem....BECAUSE of that one sentence in the Constitution.....
In any other country, people would not be ALLOWED to stay long enough to HAVE CHILDREN.....I couldn't do it in Sweden.....couldn't do it in Canada,,,,,Germany....most place, (last I checked) only allow you to stay for a few months without applying for a green card...or whatever...

And how lame to accuse people who feel enough is enough in this "illegal immigration" situation...if being racists.....personally...I don't care WHERE they came from.....you don't have a green card and you've over stayed your welcome.....buh-bye....or off to jail for you.....

Illegals sneak in without visas or have overstayed their visa. So yes there are illegals in Sweden, Canada, Germany and most places and yes they are having babies and yes most countries recognize a baby born within its borders a citizen of that country.

There is nothing wrong with feeling enough is enough but it is the Constitution and since many Americans hold it to be inalterable then in the context of this thread there is not much to do.

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Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by 1SawSomeThings
reply to post by Prove_It_NOW

 

Well said. I can see you know what you're talking about as opposed to a lot of armchair "sympathizers" around here. Many similarities here in S. Texas.

My question is, how many little Chapo Guzmans, Vicente Carrillo Fuentes', Pablo Escobars and "Scarface" types are setting themselves up on our side, taking shipments from their counterparts over there. With the vast sea of illegal aliens, it becomes very difficult to find these types. Soon El Paso, San Antonio, Laredo, San Diego, LA and Phoenix will be like Ciudad Juarez and Monterrey.

Setting themselves up? they have been moving 10's to 100's of billions of dollars a year for the last 20 or 30 years within US borders.

do the math - why the illegal business is thriving

How to find these types within the vast sea of illegal aliens?

Well they are not the ones standing in a parking lot waiting someone to offer them some work.

Probably living in multi-million dollar mansions. Yachts, fancy cars, private jets. Don't bother looking for them they probably also have cops, judges, DA's and even border patrol agents in their pockets.

One more thing they may not be Latino.

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Russians, Middle Eastern (Saudi , Jordanian, Yemen), and Armenians are here, and they live EXACTLY like that. They BOUGHT their way into Los Angeles. They employ their relatives who just got here (fresh off the boat).

They'll own a car wash, and their nephew or cousin comes over, they will let him work the car wash, but pay him a little more than his employees that he's not related to. Or he'll employ his whole family and friends, and their family and friends, to work at the car wash.

One of them saves up money, they buy a business of their own, and the process is repeated. Suddenly, you have 100 employees who all know each other from a small village somewhere in Russia, Korea, China, wherever.

Then those small businesses occupy a whole block somewhere and the surrounding neighborhoods become occupied by the nationals.

Soon you have places like Koreatown, Chinatown, "Little Armenia", "Downtown Los Angeles" , which then become little city states within American borders. Then you have yourself a voting block or political action groups, who take their best LEGAL citizen that is sympathetic to their cause, you make him a Congressman or involve him in the district politics.....rinse....repeat.

This is the story of subversion. This is how we have "Sanctuary City" laws in our FACE. This is how major cities have been overrun with "border friendly" lawmakers on their boards and in their institutions.

Before you know it, you have whole cities practically RUN by Illegal Immigrant pockets spread out on a large scale.

Illegal Immigrants have their representative forces which include Churches (Catholics which have the $$$), Politicians, Congressmen/women, Lobbyists, Business Owners who themselves are illegal but bought their way in, action groups, Chamber of Commerce members, businesses, Corporations.....

You can't beat them if you allow this game to continue. Soon, all the urban areas in every border state will be run and owned by the wealthy Illegal Immigrants who will vote out ANY dissent against them..... and pay huge amounts of money to make the laws friendly to them ONLY. Americans will become second class.

How do I know? 30+ years of living in Los Angeles and seeing it daily.

This WILL happen to you, not can happen. It is not IF but WHEN. The Illegals won't stop unless you stop them. But you have to stop them on ALL SIDES. On the border, most importantly at their workplace, on the streets, anywhere they hide. Or else this country will be usurped by other countries and at least all the border states will lose their Constitutional Laws.

The news media (Liberal or Conservative) has not even come CLOSE to how big this is. No major films or documentaries even TOUCH how wide spread this is. Most of you have no clue. If I had millions to make a film about it, you would # yourselves at what goes on.

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Take the following video for instance. This video is of Downtown Los Angeles, yet it doesn't even BEGIN to show what goes on. This is only a small sample. These types of things go on ALL OVER Los Angeles and California.

It's not a question of if this will happen in your town, only WHEN. This WILL happen to you if you don't stop them.

Observe:



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Consider this:

Qualification to be a United States Senator:

# at least 30 years old.
# a U.S. citizen for at least nine years at the time of election to the Senate.

So person A, who was a citizen because he was an anchor baby in the 1980's, has a special place in his heart for Illegal Immigrants. His mother is one, his father is one.

He turns 30 and decides he wants to run for office. His whole town loves him. They all speak Spanish, live the Mexican culture, many friends he grew up with and love are Illegals, his whole community is depending on him to "represent them". The district he comes from is comprised of MANY Illegals and their families.

He's one step away from being a U.S. Senator......still feel lucky America?

Take person B: He wants to be a Congressman:

#For the House of Representatives, a candidate must be at least 25 years old
# a citizen of the U. S. for at least 7 years

Person "B" lived the same life and has the same "allegiances". He's 25 years old, just barely old enough to drink.

Still feel safe America? Think this isn't in the minds of Illegal Elites and their LOADS of cash and Lobby money they have set aside for 'their guy'? Think again.

Qualifications for Mayor:

# At least 25
# A qualified voter
# A member of his/her political party
# A resident of the territory for at least 1 yr. prior to the election

Qualifications for Governor:

# U.S. citizen and resident of California for the 5 years preceding the election.

At the lower levels of Government on the LOCAL level, qualifications are more lax than that.

Do you think Illegal Immigrants and their friends, families, neighborhoods....don't know this?

They're not stupid.

Enforce the laws or be taken over. It's that simple.

reply to post by Prove_It_NOW


You are 100% correct but that is how every group of immigrants have worked it since the founding of the US.

Don't know how historically correct the movie Gangs of New York was but that is exactly what the Irish immigrants ended up doing. The Natives fought and bled to keep this from happening but couldn't.

Most big cities end up with their different ethnic neighborhoods but I will say that for the most part after a generation or two they are asimilated into the american culture. The thing is that if new immigrants keep coming from that particular country then it seems as if they never adapt but you have to remember they are first generation immigrants.

reply to post by daskakik


Yes, Immigrants did this since the founding of our country, even my ancestors when they got here.

The problem I didn't mention is that these days, the "immigrants" aren't even assimilated. They still have allegiances to their old country. Many of them don't see America as anything more than a resource for survival of THEIR people.

Even our LEGAL Immigrants are not assimilating like they used to. The whole Immigration process has to be reformed, down to the Legal ones. We need to cut numbers across the board and do it in waves.

reply to post by Prove_It_NOW


There are some variables that have to be taken into account for this lack of asimilation. Especially in border towns/states.

The first is the issuing of seasonal work permits to agricultural workers. So they migrate to work for a couple of months out of the year and then go back to Mexico. Never have to adapt to American culture because they are not really part of the US.

The other thing is what I have already mentioned which is that if a fresh wave of immigrants is present every year it makes it seem like they never adapt.

Also ethnic neighborhoods can give the impression that adaptation is not wanted but like I have said most big cities have them and they are not really seen as a threat to the american way, for example the various chinatowns, Little Italys,

Here's a list:

List of named ethnic enclaves in North American cities