IFPI Suggests Using CP to Counter Internet Piracy

reply to post by kerazeesicko


This is the single greatest post in the history of ATS !

*LMFAO*



[edit on 28/4/2010 by Retrovertigo]

reply to post by kerazeesicko


I for one believe censorship and communication monitoring are a very slippery slope that can easily lead to abuse of this power. It happened countless times in history, it is happening now (even in australia, for example), and just 20 years ago it was happening all over my country, so I recognise this danger very well.

I believe that ISP's should monitor people. They can't monitor everyone at the same time so they would most likely use a program that would bring up a red flag that would point to a certain IP address if certain keywords are looked up. If you are doing nothing wrong then why worry or are you? Is that why you fear ISP's spying on you? Are you people up to no good....shame on you

It is not about what I am doing, it is about the principle and a right to privacy. I should have a right to watch my daily dose of german fecal porn industrys newest creation without my ISP knowing . I guess we agree to disagree.

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[edit on 28-4-2010 by Maslo]

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
reply to post by v3_exceed

 

I am not fighting for anything...but if I was....it would be the children not your rights. Like I said previously...I don't care if they censor books, what you watch, the internet and etc... (by the way "sheeple" is not highly original, just a name that people come up with when thier arguments are weak,

I believe there are subjects out there that should be censored,

We can never get rid of hatred if your allowed to openly talk about it...we can never get rid of child porn if efforts to censor the internet are not tried..etc.

[edit on 28-4-2010 by kerazeesicko]

Ahhh Comrade I commend you.
In your tirade you have expressed what the peoples party has been stating for years. WE MUST CENSOR INFORMATION. Use any methods available any straw man argument, but find a way to protect the people from harmful information. Comrade Stalin would be so proud of you.

"those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it." ~George Santayana

You might read those words a couple of times, before you doom those same children you profess to want to protect, to a life of oppression and misery.

The problem in basing your entire argument on what you "feel" is right, is that your "feeling" is limited to the entirety of your understanding of the concept, which in this case is extremely limited. No one here is "for" child pornography, but we are at least conscious enough to understand that the real issue isn't the alleged child porn, but using that as a tool to further oppression.

And people still wonder how the world got to be run by religious fanatics of all faiths. gawd.. Since you chose to comment on "Sheeple" which was coined to connect sheep and people...a couple of pointers. An opening bracket is paired with a closing bracket.... and spell check is your friend.

..Ex

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I think anybody who reads a book of fiction and takes it as fact should not be allowed to have a say in how the world is run. I say cenosr religion(all not just yours) and all it preaches...make it so that you can only practise it at home.

Hm.. as a fellow atheist, I disagree, again. Religious freedom is important, otherwise we are no better than religious fanatics trying to shove their opinion down others throats.

Originally posted by v3_exceed

Since you chose to comment on "Sheeple" which was coined to connect sheep and people...a couple of pointers. An opening bracket is paired with a closing bracket.... and spell check is your friend.

..Ex

Thats it.. Ouch my ego.... I still assert that sheeple is term used by those with weak arguments and so is the spelling/grammer game. Rights only matter when they concerns yours not others...is that not what you are saying. Don't tell me you are for the people because that's a lie...it is all about you....or will you be arguing for the rights of american born latinas rights also, you know the story....Arizona and start of racial profiling of latinas.

Originally posted by kerazeesicko

Thats it..

Ouch my ego...

. I still assert that sheeple is term used by those with weak arguments and so is the spelling/grammer game. Rights only matter when they concerns yours not others...is that not what you are saying. Don't tell me you are for the people

because that's a lie...it is all about you....or will you be arguing for the rights of american born latinas rights also, you know the story....Arizona and start of racial profiling of latinas.

Actually, I'm Canadian. I spelling and grammar "game" is about not writing like an illiterate fool.

My argument has nothing to do with me, except that I completely disagree with both your position and your lack of any kind of supporting material for your argument. The "save the children" speech has really run its course, and you haven't rebutted even one of my supporting points.

"Rights" aren't something that others can take away, those are called privileges. A right is something that each of us have by way of simply being part of this world.

You have no argument, only an opinion. It is your "right" to have an opinion, but it seems to be a right that you would easily throw that away. How about we try it your way. You may no longer post any response to this thread. You are now "Censored"...... Pissed off yet? I know I would be...

The fact that you cannot fathom what exactly the rest of us are talking about ..is truly entertaining. Thank you for that.
Back to your bridge now...

..Ex

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If aI am not mistaken...the internet is not a right but a privilege ..so basically they can do anything they want. No more replies to you..you seem to be getting angry and I hate dealing with angry children I do understand what you arguing for...and I don't care about your privilages when it comes to childrens rights. Maybe they are just using the child porn as a cover but it still will help some children.

[edit on 28-4-2010 by kerazeesicko]

Actually when I think of it....the internet is not even a privilage...its not only available to a select few....it's available to people who can pay for it. It still is not a right..I mean they change what it is used for any time they want....they can filter whatever they want..they can monitor who ever they want. There are few laws set in place for the internet...so they can make them whenever they want as needed.

[edit on 28-4-2010 by kerazeesicko]

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
reply to post by v3_exceed

 

If aI am not mistaken...the internet is not a right but a privilege ..so basically they can do anything they want. No more replies to you..you seem to be getting angry and I hate dealing with angry children

I do understand what you arguing for...and I don't care about your privilages when it comes to childrens rights. Maybe they are just using the child porn as a cover but it still will help some children.

[edit on 28-4-2010 by kerazeesicko]

Hello again troll boy.
It appears that you too do not like to be censored. Not surprised, you are in fact mistaken, the internet isn't a right, nor a privilege, it is simply a service that we all subscribe to.

The reality is, the internet will not be censored for me, but it will for you. Through efforts of seriously misguided people like yourself the internet as you know it will eventually be censored. There is far more to the internet than I suspect you are even aware. Archie, Veronica and Gopher are probably just names in a comic to you. Regardless you have already proven my point several times, and since you are incapable of supporting your half of the debate, I bid you good day.

..Ex

It's actually a basic human right. Like food and shelter. At least here in Finland

Hmmm, I'm not sure I'm happy about a mod changing the title of the thread... I know it had the words child and pornography in it, but I didn't think it was that bad, it was accurate if maybe a little eye catching.

Now it's pretty lame, who on earth will know what IFPI and CP are without finding out?? - Oh well, it's not important enough to kick up a stink about.

The State must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.

ADOLF HITLER


It's so painfully obvious they're really not after the paedophiles, they're after control of ALL information.
I really hope they don't succeed in shutting down thepiratebay, and if they do I really hope us youngins make some noise about it.

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LOL

I was wondering what happened to the thread.

I got home and could not find it. Then I tried searching. I tried “according to this guy” at first trying to remember but that came up with nothing. Next I tried “child porn okay” Which I really did not want to do but I wanted to find this thread. Now I need to delete my searches and clean my laptop.


Anyway back on topic.

I am a bit thrown off by the Christian bashing on this thread. What exactly does wanting to end child porn have to do with Christianity being bad and shoving their morals down someone’s throat? Really I would have thought that everyone would want to end child porn.

Next how is censoring religion any better than wanting to censor the internet? Am I the only one here that sees how oxymoronic that thought is? Really if you are against censorship you should be against all censorship. I will say though finding a way to end child porn is a form of censorship and one that I think most of us stand behind.

Now as for ending child porn I do not think censoring the internet is the key. That is ludicrous to say the least. I see no need to start tossing out censorships on anyone. If someone wants to see some nudity they should have that right (so long as it is not a child or someone underage). If you start to allow censorship in one way they will only move to place other things in that area as well. Before long we will have state ran news only and we will be no better off than China. The censorship that goes on in China is very dangerous to everyone including Christians.

As for putting a team in charge of hunting down child porn on the internet, well there are things to consider. If you have ever seen the movie 6MM you will know what I mean. They talk about how some of the things you see you can never forget. Some things if watched enough on e could start to like. Meaning that you team could become a team that likes child porn themselves. I believe that to be true.

There should be some way of hunting those who produce child porn down though. Maybe some computer program that searches for it and then checked by yet another program and later a human. If found to be true child porn they should be hunted down and put on some isolated island prison to fend for themselves.

I believe child porn laws are not prosecuted as strongly the same reason that child molestation is not prosecuted strongly. That reason is that I believe a great deal of those in power practice and reveal in the stuff themselves. Only those that are small time and working class or poor are ever put in jail for the stuff. But those with power and money are sure to be in it as well. The only problem is that they have what it takes to keep people away from them.

By the way I am a Christian. How did I just push any morals down your throats?

Raist

The government using emotional issues to get a knee jerk response from the public...typical. The only way to get rid of child pornography or atleast most of it is for the government to have complete control over the internet...im sorry but i would rather have my free internet even with all the negatives than go down that path!

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I agree with what you just said, some censorship is of course needed to protect children.

I used the word "religious fanatics", not normal, mostly harmless christians, like you seem to be:

Hm.. as a fellow atheist, I disagree, again. Religious freedom is important, otherwise we are no better than religious fanatics trying to shove their opinion down others throats.

Reply to post by Maslo

I think you misunderstood my post. I am not for censorship and I am a Christian.

Censorship will not help this matter, and I certainly do no wish religion to be censored either.


Raist


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Reply to post by Maslo

I think you misunderstood my post. I am not for censorship and I am a Christian.

Censorship will not help this matter, and I certainly do no wish religion to be censored either.


Raist


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reply to post by kerazeesicko

OH MY GOD WHERE DO YOU PEOPLE GET THIS *BLEEP*!

If aI am not mistaken...the internet is not a right but a privilege

Driving isn't a right it's a privilege.
Flying isn't a right it's a privilege.

NOTHING ANYMORE is a RIGHT it's a PRIVILEGE!

THAT'S JUST SO SICK!!!

MY GOD Don't you people see the box you're painting yourself and others into OR DO YOU LIKE IT THAT WAY! Because it's SAFE and you don't have to THINK and others tell you what to DO!

And who in the *BLEEP* are the ones telling us what a RIGHT and a PRIVILEGE IS!

THE PRIVILEGED DO!

WAKE UP MUTTON HEADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



On topic - Internet Censorship has NOTHING to do with child pron.
Anyone who thinks so?
WAKE THE *BLEEP* UP!

peace

Edit: Ok, so now the color isn't working.
Well isn't that just freaking dandy.
I suppose that's a PRIVILEGE too huh!

[edit on 29-4-2010 by silo13]

reply to post by Raist


Sorry, I meant to say that monitoring is needed, not censorship. Of course, only after a judge decides so. Then you can use this monitoring to acquire evidence against the suspect, and other people/servers he shares illegal content with.

The problem is the lack of understanding of what the internet is or how it works by many posters in this thread.

You can gloat & whine all you want about how the internet should be controlled, but the fact that you think it can be controlled just exposes your ignorance of this technology we call the internet.

The Internet is a just communication medium. It's all 0's & 1's whether it's your text response on this thread, a voice over IP phone conversation or a picture of your dog.

While much of the Internet we use is and can be censored or policed the fact is as long as you allow it to exist there will always be people that will exploit the technology for illegal purposes.

Perhaps though if you people are so damn smart, why don't you go after the camera companies and ask them why they can't make their 1's & 0's not turn in to illegal porn pictures? Shall we force all camera makers make their camera's route all their images to the camera police and then after they decide your picture is approved they will send it back to you and allow you to save it on your memory card? Of course the black market camera makers would make a killing then, wouldn't they?

You people just don't have a clue.



Nope, censorship just censors fools.


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