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Arizona immigration law could drive Latinos out of state

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posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 12:54 AM
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Got to keep some humor in these threads, seemed to me it was getting a little heated up, hope you all didn't mind!




posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 01:20 AM
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Do you understand that making minimum wage is MUCH more than what they can make back home? And yes they do get by, and have been for a very long time.


Look man if you can not compute in your brain the idiocy of what you are saying I can no longer talk to you. For me to continue in this line of discourse I would be picking on a mentally handicapped person. And i might be a foul mouthed dissident but if there one thing I wont do it pick on the mentally handicapped.

So let me try to explain this to you at the worlds standard 3rd grade elementary school level which is equivalent to Americas high school senior level of education. I am doing this to see if there is a slight spark of intelligence in your brain, although i'm very doubtful i'm not one to judge a mans ability to think based on his astoundingly heart breaking forum posts.

So here we go.

Mexico = A

USA = b

The illegal immigrant = X

If (X) earns 10 dollars a month in (A) but the cost of living is only 5 dollars a month in country (A), (X) has a remainder of 5 dollars a month to save.

Now if (X) moves to country (B) and easily finds a job in the same day (X) got to country (B) and starts earning 200 dollars a month but the cost of living is 195 dollars a month in country (B), (X) has a remainder of 5 dollars a month.

(X) is a sad panda because (X) is still only able to provide 5 dollars to his family back home in country (A) so (X) tries to cut his cost of living in country (B) by moving in with another 15 (X)'s in a small tiny little room.

the only benefit of working in the US and earning money in the US is to send it back to mexico where it is worth more. The money earned in the US if spent in the US is worth exactly the same amount as if you made money in Mexico and spent it in Mexico.

In other words.....



I Drink your milkshake you sniveling cry baby.


And i will continue to drink your milkshake SLERRRRRPPP! until you learn to use your head and get your government to stop using my people as cheap labour.

I'll say it again, stop projecting your insecurities on defenceless people your country duped into Illegally immigrating to with Welfare and easily given jobs and start taking responsibility and telling your government to STOP!

Slerrrrrp!!



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 01:26 AM
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Correct. Illegal immigration has been a net economic loss for many years. In many cases no taxes are paid for their employment. Most of the money is shipped back to Mexico and other third world countries and US taxpayers have to foot the bill for the crime, hospital bills and the education of their youth.

If CA got rid of their illegals their books would be back in the black within a year. Any nation with common sense is selective to some extent with regards to immigration. Also let's not forget that some of those so called Mexican illegals are actually Al Qaeda operatives.



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 01:32 AM
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Mind?!?!


By no means friend, I am truly grateful for your contribution to this thread.


It helps make these so call Latinos, understand that they will always be Mexican no matter where they hide or how far they run to......



*izzy wipes a tear or joy from his eye*

It's just so true.



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 01:41 AM
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posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 01:42 AM
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Originally posted by hinky
I enjoy the financial loss statements I've been hearing on the news and within this thread.

How much money will the state save everyday from illegal health benefits, false unemployment claims, and welfare fraud. I guarantee you it's more than their perceived loss. You will not hear this number reported as it is politically incorrect to point out how illegal immigration is a leech on society.

California would save billions if they had the balls to do what AZ is doing.

No one also mentions how AZ unemployment rate will drop as jobs open up with illegal aliens forced to return to their land of origin.



California would be the last to do such a thing or not do it at all. Pretty soon Latinos will be the majority (if they are not already). Politicians in California know there is a huge Latino base so naturally most politicians with be sympathetic because their seat dependent on it.

Just a fyi from someone who lives here and perhaps has a little bit better understanding of my local political environment.



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 02:07 AM
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Originally posted by Izarith
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Do you understand that making minimum wage is MUCH more than what they can make back home? And yes they do get by, and have been for a very long time.



the only benefit of working in the US and earning money in the US is to send it back to mexico where it is worth more. The money earned in the US if spent in the US is worth exactly the same amount as if you made money in Mexico and spent it in Mexico.


Funny how with your ridiculous tirade you ended up proving my point. If there wasn't a benefit (more money) they wouldn't be coming here.

Hopefully you see how that does NOT compare to slavery in the least.



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 02:27 AM
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Oh is that the point you were trying to make?

That Illegal Mexicans getting paid the cheap Chines sweatshop wages you slop to them manage to send as much as they possibly can (which you after the previous education, I supplied for you at no cost, should now know that after the cost of living is a very small portion or what they actually earn).

That was your point?

Well no poop sherlock, what did you think that they go up there for the pizza?

And what of it? are you a Communist? Does it pain you so much that a man who has worked as a SLAVE and slept in conditions I would not care to see an animal live in actually manages to send a few bucks to His wife and children?

Does it?

Just because Black slave master provided better working and living conditions for it's slaves does not mean this is not slavery. Just because Illegal Mexicans are forced not only BE SLAVES but to also PAY FOR THERE OWN SLAVERY does not make it right.

you too have proven my point about the genetic mutation of your blood line caused by the years upon years of being slave masters. That very same gene will be the demise of your country, it is also the very same cause of this whole mess. You and those like you have looked for and found the Slaves you have always wanted, and you can bet your ass you are now and forever will be stuck with them.



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 03:15 AM
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Originally posted by Izarith
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Oh is that the point you were trying to make?

That Illegal Mexicans getting paid the cheap Chines sweatshop wages you slop to them manage to send as much as they possibly can (which you after the previous education, I supplied for you at no cost, should now know that after the cost of living is a very small portion or what they actually earn).


LOL.

A maid working in Mexico makes $2.50 per hour
An illegal immigrant maid in the US makes $6.25 per hour cash
Average Chinese wages for all workers - $0.85 per hour

Another winning comparison!




Does it pain you so much that a man who has worked as a SLAVE and slept in conditions I would not care to see an animal live in actually manages to send a few bucks to His wife and children?


Do you actually KNOW any illegals? I lived with plenty as neighbors in L.A. and the picture you're trying to paint isn't even close to reality.




Just because Black slave master provided better working and living conditions for it's slaves does not mean this is not slavery. Just because Illegal Mexicans are forced not only BE SLAVES but to also PAY FOR THERE OWN SLAVERY does not make it right.



An estimated 100,000 illegal immigrants have left Arizona in the past two years as it cracked down on illegal immigration and its economy was especially hard hit by the Great Recession.


Boy, that's the first I've ever heard of SLAVES as you call them allowed to pretty much go where they wanted. Actually, that doesn't sound much like a slave at all.


Standing near potted trees and bushes for sale at a Home Depot in east Phoenix, Diaz, 35, says he may follow three families in his neighborhood who moved to New Mexico because of the law. He says a friend is finding plenty of work in Dallas


What's this? NO, not more SLAVES having actual choices in where to move and work?!?!?!?!!? Say it isn't so!!!!


Jose Armenta, a 33-year-old illegal immigrant from Mexico's western coast, is already planning to move to Utah within the next 20 days because of a combination of the economy and the new law.


WHAT???!?!! Doesn't he know he's a SLAVE??!?!?!?!?! How can this be?



"Mexico doesn't have a lot of opportunities," she says. "Here, we work honestly, and we have a better life."


Oh, that tears it! She's in such deep denial about being a SLAVE she doesn't know this CAN'T be a better life!!!




posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 03:30 AM
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Like I said...I am not a man who picks on the mentally handicapped....

You right little Timmy, America is a wonderful country and even more illegal immigrants should go there.


*Izzy pats Soloist on the head and sends him on his way*

Oh but please remember one last thing......



Slurrrrrrrp!



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by Izarith
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Like I said...I am not a man who picks on the mentally handicapped....

You right little Timmy, America is a wonderful country and even more illegal immigrants should go there.




Please show where I ever have said we need more illegal immigrants here.
If you cannot do that, then surely you can find a post where I am for illegal immigration.

I'll be waiting. Perhaps it is you who should be wearing a helmet, eh?


Give up yet? I *don't* agree with it, I think they should all be deported and any companies that use them should be prosecuted/fined. There is a path to citizenship in this country, and giving these people blanket amnesty is unfair to those who have worked their butts off for 2-3 years(some many more) just to get the CHANCE of becoming a citizen.

My opposition is towards your serious misuse of the word slavery, and your obvious ignorance about the topic at hand.



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 11:05 AM
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I have a radical idea to solve all of this:

How about we open BOTH SIDES of the border. Allow any American to go down to mexico and buy up all the property and businesses they want to because it's way cheaper than doing it here.

Fair is fair ...

The other benefit of doing this would be that the mexicans would no longer need to sneak into the U.S. because HERE would be THERE.



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 11:09 AM
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Mexico is to blame for this sad state

Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:

?in the country legally;
?have the means to sustain themselves economically;
?not destined to be burdens on society;
?of economic and social benefit to society;
?of good character and have no criminal records; and
?contributors to the general well-being of the nation.
The law also ensures that:
?immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
?foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
?foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country's internal politics;
?foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
?foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
?those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

But when it comes to sending their own people here they have an official government department to assist them with maps a booklet and advice on how to deal with the US Border Patrol... the agency is called "grupo beta"
why would they encourage her people to come here?

Money... the money illegals send back home accounts for the second largest source of foreign dollars and just over 2% of their GDP.. they don't want their people back hell they want to add to the 12 to 20 million already here
And if that's not in the least bit true someone explain to me what "grupo beta" real mission is???

[edit on 29-4-2010 by DaddyBare]



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 11:27 AM
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Well, you have put up quite a few more replies. Isn't it nice to be a US citizen, and have a right to speak about what you believe?

Even people with twisted ideals, have a right to express their opinion.

One thing that struck me though, after mulling your responses, trying to get your point across, you had not much to say about the US, that was positive.

Now being that you are a hispanic, who is a legal resident, with not much nice to say, I'd like to know why YOU are still here?

If you are so unhappy, and all of us residents are in the dark, uneducated, and stupid, why do you surround yourself with us?

Perhaps, JUST PERHAPS, there is no place for you to go to that is better? Because THERE IS NO BETTER COUNTRY in the world. Please, if there is, move there!

If America doesn't do it for you? Who can?

Pretty much, all you have said is meaningless, because no where else, in the entire world, would you have been given the opportunity to speak out as you have against the country, YOU are living in!

Don't think so? Try somewhere else and see if you are allowed the same freedom of expression.



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 12:41 PM
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Yet another youtube hero. Try reading a book...you could start with The Skin of the Sky. I'm still trying to figure you out, but from what I read you are from mexico? So you're angry our government does not do more to control illegal aliens, but you are mad about arizona's bill? I'm just trying to figure you out. It just seems you are upset that all these people are leaving your violence riddled country.

It's easy to see that you have a very little grasp on knowledge of business. I would put up my 3rd grade american education against yours any day. I guarantee the college I attend just about blows away any sort of education you received. Speaking of which do you have any idea how much illegal immigration is affecting our school systems here? No of course not you only look at a few things such as the illegals paying rent, and businesses benefiting, and what else? You do not look at the whole spectrum of things. The bad by far outweighs the good. Here in wisconsin the largest city is milwaukee( 75-90 miles north of chicago). The city is really struggling with their education system, but not only are they dealing with citizens of the united state's kids but now also illegal immigrant's children. A lot are coming here from chicago as of recently. This is not in alighn with the rest of the state which is well known for having very high test scores as compared to the rest of the nation. I know all this because I wrote a 15 page report on it for my frosh english class 4 years ago. So not only are illegal immigrants hurting us by taking needed jobs, not paying taxes, still using many public services, crime, but also dragging down education in big cities.

And seriously what is up with the america equals b mexico is A crap equation. Really? You're not as smart as you think you are and whit isn't always the best way to try and appear smart. Why not just state the facts without acting stupid?


 
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posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 12:48 PM
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You really think you are that smart don't you? Like I said start by reading the skin of the sky. I have yet to see one intelligent thing from your very misguided views.


 
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posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 01:04 PM
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China's illegal immigration issue, sound familiar??????/


www.atimes.com...

[edit on 29-4-2010 by freetree64]



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 01:31 PM
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Take a look at Mexico's own illegal immigration laws, I should post a separate thread on the subject.

They make our new Arizona law look weak and overly kind hearted.

Where we give them a free bus ride to the border, the Mexican equivalent starts out with 2 years in jail, talk about them being hypocrites.....



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 03:07 PM
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Whatever the current situation is in Arizona, is in opposition of the law, and the state it would be in if the illegals were not present.

Even if they are making money from the illegals, they are not being forced to pay the same tax dollars that legals citizens are making.
They do not adhere to the same level of state responsibility that legals are.
Whomever is making a lot of money off of the illegal immigrant population is, in effect, doing so illegally.

If there are going to be painful changes to make, then so be it.

You don't keep a situation based on breaking the law, continuing, just because it is easier to do so, and because certain people are making money from it.



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