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Noah's Ark Found! 99.9% sure!

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posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by LeoVirgo
reply to post by K J Gunderson
 


All I can tell you is to not take my word for it.

Its funny....people that read the books and soaking up all the knowledge of mans past....they all have different interpretations of what the good book says. Look at how many religions and sects of each religion has been created.


That is kind of my question. How do you know which is telling the truth?


But if you look at the conclusion of beings that have set the books aside, who sought without the preconceived beliefs of 'what god is'.....they all come to the same conclusions....through the nature they experience in their seeking.


I do not see that. I do not see all people coming to the same conclusion that dishonoring my father is a crime punishable by death per the lord or the vast majority of other rules needed to follow in order to actually get into God's grace.

If you are saying that all organized religions are all wrong and the only way to God is without them...then that just leads to many many many more questions.


They all conclude God is not jealous, is not wrathful, is not a demanded or needer of worship, desires us to find 'why' a better path is better and not just accepting what another man tells us is a 'good path'. They conclude very much the same things....not needing a label of a religion...not needed to create different sects because they all see things differently. Spiritualist basically experience the exact same nature of Spirit when truly seeking.


I do not understand where you get this. How do you know what they all conclude? Have you really spoken to every person that believes in God but put their books aside? Honestly, what good are statements like this when reality pretty much concludes you are just guessing at best and wishing at worst?


For me, my experiences cant be explained by any scientist, by any priest, by any book. Its not about accepting something...its about understanding something.

We have to understand....jealousy,greed, pride, and lust...are all things that are natural occurrence due to this body, and this body being around many other body's, the illusion of that we are all separate, creates grounds for competition, for rankings, the true tests are not being given by some 'satan'...but are entwined in the experience of spirit within the body of flesh. Its meant to be...its not a mistake we experience these things. But its also not a mistake we have the ability to have guilt, regrets, and remorse.


I am starting to think real answers are not to be found here.


I have never had a experience of Satan....so...I dont have any reason to believe there is one. There could be lost souls in between carnations that cause some troubles....but each mans wrongs are souly his own.

I cant really explain to you what I experienced, it is other worldly, there just arent words...and my words should not convince you of 'truth'. Each person has the opportunity to really seek the path that is, and only the person themselves knows if they are ready to do so. I though I was ready for a long time...but realized, I kept seeking for the image that was in the book. My view and my nature has been changed forever.

I could tell you I have understanding of why the Bible is, why man has done things, why God's nature is what it is....but these are things a person should find out for themselves. The intention of living for the life of Spirit.....is that a person seeks on their own....for this is what shows the Holy Spirit, the heart is willing to be honest and humble. It may take a while. I was shown I had to fast...and I had to go through a lot of forgiveness of mans past and my past. Not because God demanded I forgive....but because there was understanding...through accepting man and mans past...as well as understanding in accepting my past.

The path of understanding is a life time journey. It never ends, at least not in this life.

All I can say...is seek for yourself.


You have your own ideas and for some reason you think that all other spiritual people who forsake books believes exactly as you do and that is why you know you are right? Got it. Nevermind.




posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by XyZeR
Serious question:
There is zero evidence of a worldwide flood. Let's put aside the fact that a great flood would have been physically impossible and that there are no geological records indicating one ever happened, at least while humans existed, and just use our logic on this one.

an example
Here's what the Dallas zoo needs every single day.
* A ton of hay
* 35 pounds of fish
* 50 pounds of meat
* 100 stalks of celery
* five pounds of red onions
* 100 pounds of carrots
* 25 pounds of spinach
* 15 pounds of kale
* 10 pounds of mixed vegetables
* 150 pounds of sweet potatoes
* 10 heads of cabbage
* 48 heads of romaine
* 30 ears of corn
* four loaves of wheat bread
* 24 eggs
* a pound of yogurt
* 40 pounds of bananas
* eight pounds of blueberries
* 170 oranges
* 500 apples
* 36 cantaloupes
* four papayas
* 250 rodents (the variety pack)
* 6000 mealworms
* 600 wax worms
* 7500 crickets

Remember, it rained for 40 days/nights, and then they had to wait around for the water to drain away (again, where did it go?) for some more weeks. This list of food is what the Dallas Zoo needs every day. Multiply this by 50 or 60 days... Say that Noah only needed half a ton of hay a day. That's 30 tons of hay for the whole cruise. Exactly where did they keep this? How did they gather it all in advance of the rain? If you gathered 100 pounds of hay every day, it would take you 20 days per ton. So you'd have to do nothing but gather hay for 600 days to get 30 tons together.

Now I'm using logic again here, so I'm sure I've lost you by now, but if it rained for 40 days, enough to cover the highest mountain peaks in the world, please tell me exactly where did all that water go? It would have taken years for it to evaporate or be absorbed into the soil, so where did it disappear to?

And how did the animals get there? How exactly did the wombats and kangaroos get to the middle east from Australia? Did they swim? Did the Polar bears swim tens of thousands of miles to get there?

This is such a ludicrous fairy tale I could sit here all day poking holes in this nonsense, just asking common sense questions. You don't even need science to disprove the Noah's Ark myth, just a brain.


This, IMHO was the best part of this entire thread. Simple, plain logic was presented and none of the detractors/deferrers/redirectors wanted to touch it with a 10-foot pole.

Well played Mr X. Well played



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 08:27 AM
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A spiritual path is not through books...and yes, if you just observe, many more people conclude the same thing when they seek the personal path.

I am not offering you truth. Only you can figure that out for yourself.

No...you wont find answers through another man....that is my point. Sorry that disappoints you.

We are always in Gods grace...we are always loved. Again...dont take my word for it. If you were really curious...you would seek, by yourself, within yourself, you would challenge every thought and doubt within you. Like I said...its not about 'belief'. Are you a good person? Do you try to do right? These are the things that matter.

ANd no...I dont think I am 'right' because others come to the same conclusions....I have experienced things that allows me to just know there is more then this life here. But it is neat to have such a Earth shattering experience...then come to the web....and read about so many others finding the same spiritual path ways that I did. Its nice to not feel so alone in it all.

You dont see me trying to tell you that you have to believe or else...you dont see me saying that ONLY I or the ones that have a similar path as I have walked MUST BE BELIEVED. But you will hear those that say....seek it for yourself. If you dont want to...that is fine just as well!!

Enjoy life, take care of yourself, be good to others, be good to your home (the Earth). What is so wrong with such things? Im not trying to MAKE YOU BELIEVE anything!

My best to you
LV

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posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 09:55 AM
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Well I guess all I can say is that you are in the wrong thread then. This one is about a story from a book or books. No offense to your beliefs and all that. I am really just interested in the fundamentalists answers to questions about this fictional boat man.



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 03:54 PM
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I must apologize, in my previous posts I stated that the Ark was made with Balsa wood...Well, I just looked it up & it's actually made from Gofer wood.

Sorry...



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by K J Gunderson
reply to post by LeoVirgo
 


Well I guess all I can say is that you are in the wrong thread then. This one is about a story from a book or books. No offense to your beliefs and all that. I am really just interested in the fundamentalists answers to questions about this fictional boat man.


How strange for you to say I am in the wrong thread...due to what YOU are interested in.

For a second there...I had to recheck to make sure you werent the opening poster. So anyways....I was also interested in the fundamentalists answers to the fact that IF THERE WAS A ARK< AND NOAHS STORY WAS TRUE< WHY WERE THERE GIANTS STILL IN THE LANDS IN THOSE DAYS AFTER THE FLOOD.

If you look back, this was my first response to this thread....the thread that claims Noah's Ark has been found (99% sure).

Im not in the wrong thread


You then questioned ME about my response to someone else...someone that actually tried to answer my question (from a fundamental point of view which IS what I asked for). Im not trying to be nit picky...but I sure dont like someone telling me Im in the wrong thread. That was really really pointless.

Just clearing the waters....good luck in the thread!
LV



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by LeoVirgo


How strange for you to say I am in the wrong thread


I did not say you were in the wrong thread. I said you were in the wrong thread then. You know, after you pointed out how little you thought of books and stories. Since this thread is about a story from a book, I can only conclude you must be in the wrong thread if you are here to spread spirituality and disparage stories from books. Please see the thread title and read the OP again. You will see this thread is not about the path to your god via -no books.


...due to what YOU are interested in.


Kittens? Computer animation? The story of Noah's Ark? What does that even mean? Please tell me all about what I am interested in and how that could have any effect on whether or not you are off topic.


For a second there...I had to recheck to make sure you werent the opening poster.


Sounds like you are having a hard time following along then. Maybe this thread or ATS for that matter is just not ready for you yet?


So anyways....I was also interested in the fundamentalists answers to the fact that IF THERE WAS A ARK< AND NOAHS STORY WAS TRUE< WHY WERE THERE GIANTS STILL IN THE LANDS IN THOSE DAYS AFTER THE FLOOD.


I think that was one of the best posts in this thread and would also love to see one of them address it but I was not going to step on that posters toes and ask it again.

Besides, it serves a dual purpose. Look how many "xtians" want to argue with me to prove their belief in their god is right but walk right past that question. If any of them were being honest with themselves and their god, they would have addressed that question with all the ferver they attack mine. Saddly, they have only proven that their faith only works when they think they have an easy target and their faith is worthless in the face of a logical question. I am fine getting my answer that way for a while.


If you look back, this was my first response to this thread....the thread that claims Noah's Ark has been found (99% sure).


Not sure what you mean. If I look back...I will see THIS was your first response to this thread? What about the one from you above it? How about the one before that? Maybe you meant something else?


Im not in the wrong thread


If you are going to go on and on about how worthless books, stories, and man made religions are...this thread about Noah from the bible does seem to be the wrong place for that. It is kind of antithetical to the actual topic, you see. Of topic is one thing but that whole post was a testament to the futility of this thread.


You then questioned ME about my response to someone else...someone that actually tried to answer my question (from a fundamental point of view which IS what I asked for). Im not trying to be nit picky...but I sure dont like someone telling me Im in the wrong thread. That was really really pointless.


Yes, while you were still on topic I was interested in what you were saying. I jumped in. That is kind of how a discussion board works. Private conversations can be had via U2U.

If you did not like my saying that, it is because you did not actually read it.

Let me try one more time.

"...you are in the wrong thread THEN"

See the word "then" is conditional. The purpose for that is to make it clear that my feelings that you may be in the wrong thread are a response to the sentence I had quoted and that only. If that is the way you truly feel, then this thread seems wrong for you. Apparently you decided that context was worthless and all that matters was that you felt insulted. Sorry, but if you read it right the first time, you would understand it and not get so upset but I cannot help you read better.


Just clearing the waters....good luck in the thread!
LV


Like an oil spill!



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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You know, after you pointed out how little you thought of books and stories. Since this thread is about a story from a book, I can only conclude you must be in the wrong thread if you are here to spread spirituality and disparage stories from books.


This has gotten way out of hand really...I am not upset, just standing my ground on the fact that I can speak where I find interests or desires to challenge. If I was trying to spread spirituality, I would be pushing my thoughts. I offer them as a challenge to others. The mods will take care of me if I am in the wrong place. I was just really shocked at your what seemed to be aggravation of me bringing my thoughts here....I am a total civil person and I dont push anything.




For a second there...I had to recheck to make sure you werent the opening poster. Sounds like you are having a hard time following along then. Maybe this thread or ATS for that matter is just not ready for you yet?


I was being sarcastic...I know you werent the OP...but you kinda sounded like it, being you commented on YOUR reasons for being in this thread, as if that meant something.




If you are going to go on and on about how worthless books, stories, and man made religions are...this thread about Noah from the bible does seem to be the wrong place for that.


Dude, arent you the one that called Noah a fictional character...I am just not seeing how your being in this thread is any different then me.

Im not upset, but I am a female who is pretty damn sure of her self, and will speak where I like to.

Mabey I took you wrongly...I didnt think you were being ugly or bossy...but it was like you didnt want another person challenging the 'books' or the 'fictional character'.

Again, good luck!
LV



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by XyZeR

Originally posted by randyvs
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"There's not enough H2O in the world to get an ark that high up a mountain"


Your ignorance is something that just can't be ignored. How do mountains become mountains?


Nice personal attack, accusing me of ignorance, while your previous post was one full of incoherent religious pseudo babble. I quoted a piece of the article i posted with a very valid argument, it's not my argument, but the argument of the scientist who see the "evangelical explorers" make claims of 99,99% sure as what it is: a nice try, but only brainwashed religious people will buy that kind of fiction.

FYI I know how mountains are formed, it's my job...

But i guess if i asked you, you'll just suggest that "god" made them....6000years ago...


Originally posted by randyvs
The timing for this to be revealed as true history has come.


Yeah this is "TRUE" history.... sigh....and you have the nerve to call me ignorant... well played sir!


suck it up atheists


That's just sad, just because someone doesn't believe in the ark "story"
he is automatically classified as a filthy athiest who shoudl suck it up.... ignorance much?

Serious question:
There is zero evidence of a worldwide flood. Let's put aside the fact that a great flood would have been physically impossible and that there are no geological records indicating one ever happened, at least while humans existed, and just use our logic on this one.

an example
Here's what the Dallas zoo needs every single day.
* A ton of hay
* 35 pounds of fish
* 50 pounds of meat
* 100 stalks of celery
* five pounds of red onions
* 100 pounds of carrots
* 25 pounds of spinach
* 15 pounds of kale
* 10 pounds of mixed vegetables
* 150 pounds of sweet potatoes
* 10 heads of cabbage
* 48 heads of romaine
* 30 ears of corn
* four loaves of wheat bread
* 24 eggs
* a pound of yogurt
* 40 pounds of bananas
* eight pounds of blueberries
* 170 oranges
* 500 apples
* 36 cantaloupes
* four papayas
* 250 rodents (the variety pack)
* 6000 mealworms
* 600 wax worms
* 7500 crickets

Remember, it rained for 40 days/nights, and then they had to wait around for the water to drain away (again, where did it go?) for some more weeks. This list of food is what the Dallas Zoo needs every day. Multiply this by 50 or 60 days... Say that Noah only needed half a ton of hay a day. That's 30 tons of hay for the whole cruise. Exactly where did they keep this? How did they gather it all in advance of the rain? If you gathered 100 pounds of hay every day, it would take you 20 days per ton. So you'd have to do nothing but gather hay for 600 days to get 30 tons together.

Now I'm using logic again here, so I'm sure I've lost you by now, but if it rained for 40 days, enough to cover the highest mountain peaks in the world, please tell me exactly where did all that water go? It would have taken years for it to evaporate or be absorbed into the soil, so where did it disappear to?

And how did the animals get there? How exactly did the wombats and kangaroos get to the middle east from Australia? Did they swim? Did the Polar bears swim tens of thousands of miles to get there?

This is such a ludicrous fairy tale I could sit here all day poking holes in this nonsense, just asking common sense questions. You don't even need science to disprove the Noah's Ark myth, just a brain.








Simply beautiful post. Aside from getting and then removing the water which is pretty concrete right there, you add in TRUE facts about the amount of food and materials needed to do something of this sort. The boat would have to be HUGE, and aside from building it, you would have to gather literally tons of various food stuffs for all the animals and yourself. (as noah)

So really, this is pretty much concrete for me.

Facts 1 Bible -x
(-x of course being a very large number in the red.)



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by LeoVirgo
This has gotten way out of hand really...I am not upset, just standing my ground on the fact that I can speak where I find interests or desires to challenge. If I was trying to spread spirituality, I would be pushing my thoughts. I offer them as a challenge to others. The mods will take care of me if I am in the wrong place. I was just really shocked at your what seemed to be aggravation of me bringing my thoughts here....I am a total civil person and I dont push anything.


Listen, I am not going to sit here and hold your hand while I go through what I said word for word. You are apparently determined to take it as something it was clearly not. I can only explain it to you so many times.

I was not trying to tell you where you can and cannot post anything. I was simply pointing out that if your premise is that stories from books are worthless, then you have nothing to add about this...

STORY

FROM A BOOK.

Do you understand yet? What you seem to think was some command or direct order was simply me pointing out that the premise of this thread is about a STORY FROM A BOOK. Your post about stories and books being worthless just makes no sense. Maybe you need to read your post again and you can see how it stands out of the context of this thread. Then you can read my post again and see that it is simply an observation that that line of thinking is out of place in a discussion based on a reality that could only be antithetical to your line of thinking. Get it yet? Need me to explain it again?

If you want to be insulted, I can do that. If you want to take what I say as a personal attack or a direction as to what you can post and where, I can do that as well. If you are going to cry about it in post after post, make sure I did it to begin with though. That would make it seem less...

crazy?

I stand by my statement. If you are here to push the idea that stories from books are all bunk and have nothing to do with real spirituality, then you are in the wrong thread. This one is about Noah's Ark being discovered again, in the same place it always is. How do you not see why one just does not mesh with the other.

You want to spread spirituality, go for it. I am not stopping you nor attempting to. I am just telling you that it has nothing to do with what is being discussed here, especially how you put it.

You will notice I did not say, based on all your posts you need to stop posting here. I replied to one statement and added the conditional "then."

If you can not read, refuse to read, or just do not understand, I am truly sorry. Your umbrage is miss-laid.



I was being sarcastic...I know you werent the OP...but you kinda sounded like it, being you commented on YOUR reasons for being in this thread, as if that meant something.


So your off topic reasons for being here are gold and my response with reasons that actually have to do with the topic being discussed mean nothing. Gotcha.




Dude, arent you the one that called Noah a fictional character...I am just not seeing how your being in this thread is any different then me.


I have been quite clear on the fact that I think that whole book is fiction. You are still taking what I said in response to one of your statements and applying it to your whole contribution to this thread. This is not how the English language works so stop whining like a little girl over what I said and then relying on every other post you made to rally against my one response.

Yes, I am here to discuss this lie about a fictional character. That is what the thread is about...a character from a book. I am still on topic. You preaching about books being worthless man made junk is not, not in the context it is in. Clearly context is something you are not familiar with since you seem to think what I said meant something else and applied more broadly than it clearly does.


Im not upset, but I am a female who is pretty damn sure of her self, and will speak where I like to.


Go for it. Your gender means little to me. It is great to be sure of yourself but it is another thing to hang out in a place where statements remain in text to be checked again and again again and then carry one about something that was not really said when you can at any time go back and actually read it this time.


Mabey I took you wrongly...I didnt think you were being ugly or bossy...but it was like you didnt want another person challenging the 'books' or the 'fictional character'.


LOL. I have no problem with anyone challenging the book, the characters, the story, any of that crap. I even understand how a claim about books being lies could have been completely related. Unfortunately, the statement I replied to speaks for itself. That one statement was not a challenge to the book or the character, it was some preachy nonsense about how we should stop talking about it anyway because it is just worthless junk. OK, then stop talking about it, go to a thread where people are not talking about it and let us enjoy. Make sense?


Again, good luck!
LV


Not sure it is luck I need around here but thanks, you too.



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 02:27 PM
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It seems you have a issue with me being in this thread...but I am sure you will turn what I say around some more.

I came to this thread to challenge the idea of the flood being brought by a 'perfect plan' and a 'perfect god'...sense the flood didnt seem to fulfill its purpose. Why do I do this? It might open the eyes to some seekers who do not know that the Bible talks about the 'bad seed' still being in the Earth after the flood. This is a pretty important fact within the book, in my opinion.

That was my first posts, and my second posts simply asked again, for someone to offer me a answer from their religious perspective of why the flood did not work.

Then a poster advised me to have quite time and seek through prayer....to find understanding from God of why this happened. This is where my own path came into the thread...in letting that poster know...I have had much quite time in Spirit...and my conclusions and experiences led to a different light.

Then you questioned my answer to that poster....so I responded to you.

Then you concluded that I deem the books worthless so I shouldnt be in this thread.

If I deemed the books worthless, I wouldnt have a whole bookcase dedicated to books that help me study the Bible and mankind in those days.

Many times over, I say there is much to learn from the books, but one must be careful in what they deem as 'works of god' from 'works of man'.

It seems you had a issue with my posts...but there is no reason for you to make it out as if I need a hand holding, am crying, ect....really, Im a big girl.

My premises here in this thread is absolutely no different then yours. I have nothing more to say here...unless someone wants to further add to my first response about the giants still being in the land after the flood.

LV



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by LeoVirgo
reply to post by K J Gunderson
 


It seems you have a issue with me being in this thread...but I am sure you will turn what I say around some more.


You really still do not get it? Sorry but I am tired of this game. I never said I had a problem with you being in this thread or anything like that. I also never told you that you did not belong here. You took it out of context and I have explained it to you 4 times already. If you still want to think I am actually directing some hatred personally at you and telling you to get out of this thread despite ALL THE FACTS IN PRINT THAT SHOW OTHERWISE, then there is nothing else I can do for you.

You got it wrong, very very wrong. I can get over that but then I explained what you got wrong. You then went and ignored that so you could play victim some more. I explained it again and again and again. You want to be hurt and you want me to be mean. OK, fine you win, whatever. I am not going to explain it again. You obviously cannot or will not READ the actual post so I have no clue what else to say to you.



posted on May, 1 2010 @ 07:15 PM
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You would need to find the DNA of every animal on the planet on that ship to prove anything, well at least 80 something percent



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