Imagine there's no countries - It isn't hard to do

Amidst the Arizona illegal immigration drama, I would like to make my opinion known.

I do not believe in borders, or countries. I believe in one world, in which we are free to roam. If there are no borders, there are no enemies, or countries to fight against.

This allows simpler trading, in which there are no tariffs, and where the goods are either shared, traded, or sold. What I want is one world under either free-market capitalism or de-centralized socialism, where people share from the bottom-up by local workers (en.wikipedia.org... Look for the de-centralized planned economy). I want people to be free to go where they want. To be able to go where something fits there needs. The only cost should be the traveling costs.

I think that if we get rid of borders, wealth would spread to the third world countries, where we can sell to easier, and buy from easier.

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

This song does a great job at describing my views.


I don't get why people can't go wherever they need to go.

I expect flaming, do to me being a supposed advocate of the "NWO".

[edit on 27-4-2010 by Phlynx]

Drawing imaginary lines in the sand and claiming that sand as your own has always been a stupid idea.

It's just another mechanism to divide and conquer. This actually HELPS the NWO, your idea would remove most of their power by not being able to regulate large ammounts of people in a specific area.

~Keeper

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Drawing imaginary lines in the sand and claiming that sand as your own has always been a stupid idea.

It's just another mechanism to divide and conquer. This actually HELPS the NWO, your idea would remove most of their power by not being able to regulate large ammounts of people in a specific area.

~Keeper

Yes, it is just another way of divide and conquer, and another way of allowing others to control you.

The only borders should be natural borders, like the space in between colonized planets.

reply to post by Phlynx


I have actually had this song running through my mind for the entire afternoon after posting this.

I feel exactly the same way.
S&F

Originally posted by webpirate
reply to post by Phlynx

 

I have actually had this song running through my mind for the entire afternoon after posting this.

I feel exactly the same way.
S&F

The song is almost sad. We may never see the change an idea like this would bring.

I agree that nation-states are merely idealistic fabrications of the mind.

So are institutions and corporations.

The buildings are real, and the people who work there are real, but the IDEA they are supporting is at best, an ILLUSION.

I am glad many of you are aware of this, it means we are advancing as a race and that one day we will truly free ourselves of the limitations and chains placed on us by this fabricated and unrealistic system.

I am not a fan of One World Government, as that is just a bigger worse version of what we have now.

I am in favor of local governance while retaining open borders though. This plan sounds very appealing to me.

Just as long as we keep the big wigs out of power, and make sure all human's rights and liberties are protected, we will do just fine.

reply to post by Phlynx


I agree with you. But then who will rule and collect all the taxes and codify laws to enforce? And how do people then decide who to oppress and exploit? Think of all the money and power to be lost!!

I completely agree with you, but I'm not sure basic human nature will ever let it happen.

[edit on 27/4/2010 by Chamberf=6]

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by Phlynx

 

I agree with you.

But then who will rule and collect all the taxes and codify laws to enforce? And how do people decide who to oppress and exploit?

I completely agree with you, but I'm not sure basic human nature will ever let it happen.

The problems you have pointed out are simple to solve compared to the cluster**** of problems we are faced with in this failure of a system that we are chained into currently.

So really they are minor issues that could be solved in quick order.

The amount of problems that exist right now, that would be remedied by such a reversal, would far outweigh any problems posed by adopting the new system.

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by Phlynx

 

I agree with you.

But then who will rule and collect all the taxes and codify laws to enforce? And how do people then decide who to oppress and exploit? Think of all the money and power to be lost!!

[edit on 27/4/2010 by Chamberf=6]

The people who would decide upon the laws would be the people of the cities and towns where it should be enforced. The laws will be decided locally, and the taxes will be decided locally. My ideal for this would be a world constitution that has to be followed in every town. The towns and cities would have to make sure it is followed.

he also sang "imagine there's no heaven", but thats just not as popular with all the "spiritual, enlightened" people on ATS

reply to post by Phlynx


I'm still amazed this was posted right after having this song in my head because of another post on this issue.

I don't believe in Beatles
I just believe in me
Yoko and me
And that's reality .......

reply to post by Phlynx


I have personally always found that song a bit sickening. Its a bunch of utopian mumbo-jumbo.

That kind of world would be an absolute bore. Borders are awesome. Borders and countrys consolidate people of like culture which enables those cultures to strengthen, remain unique and grow. Spend a bit of time in Europe and then consider what it would be like if there was no Spain or Italy, because it is the borders which create nation states that enable those distinct cultures to remain unique. What do we wind up with no borders and no countrys? One big third world. One big boring third world.

By what right or purpose would you deny a nation to preserve its culure by maintaining mores and standards? Now you might suggest that would not happen, but explain how that is not going to occur with everyone going where ever they want. I'm thinking that a lot of folks would set sail for Greece. How is that good for the Greeks, or are they supposed to relinquish their autonomy for some greater universal good will hogwash?

A very big part of the world tried this no borders business. It was called the Soviet Union. That whole deal did not work out so well.

To create the utopia you suggest would require somebody's jackboot. I'm sure you could write the words of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot into a cool tune as well. Afterall, thats the kind of thing they were working towards, ultimately.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Drawing imaginary lines in the sand and claiming that sand as your own has always been a stupid idea.

It will start with taking away your own personal property. Are you ready?

I expect to see people herded into a new concept of "communities" where all you need will be provided within the confines of a couple of square miles. Food will be grown in that area to feed everyone in the location, and all employment will be within walking distance. This will greatly reduce your carbon footprint.

Originally posted by Alethea

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Drawing imaginary lines in the sand and claiming that sand as your own has always been a stupid idea.

It will start with taking away your own personal property

That is a poor argument.

How does personal property rights have anything to do with ultra-nationalism?

I am open for explanations. Thanks

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Whether John meant these lyrics literally or not, the underlying meaning is peace to all and for all.
This might have been a wish for an unattainable utopia, but is it not OK to wish for peace? To wish for this utopia?
For the world to live as one....

Originally posted by dolphinfan
Borders and countrys consolidate people of like culture which enables those cultures to strengthen, remain unique and grow.

That is increasingly not true anymore.

Look at the UK : there are at least 100 cultures there.

Look at the USA: Every culture on Earth is mixed in that melting pot.

Is Tokyo Japan all one culture? No way it's increasingly mixing.

Same with Hong Kong or any other major area.

Your points stood strong 100years ago, but today? They are a dying breed. Going extinct.

Borders have little to do with culture any more.

Ask the Pakistani man who runs my local BP gas station, or ask the Chinese family that runs my local Chinese Food Restaurant.

I bet they strongly disagree with your assessment.

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I'll be they strongly agree with me. The fact that we have Italians neighborhoods does not mean going to them is the same thing as going to Italy. There is no comparrison what so ever.

Travel a bit

Yes, this is exactly what the growing criminal elements into the uSA are all about. Drive the country to a rational of no-borders, no-countries, no-republics, just the integration of all and acceptance of all, or more appropriately, just feeling good in any circumstance.

With the horrible ignorance and cold blooded nature of people. Lines have to be drawn especially with such a scale of consciousness as we have now. If you fix a nice dinner, how many drops of crap does it take before it's inedible? Yet, people want to throw everyone in the same pot, why? Because they don't want to think and change, they want to feel good and stay the same / do nothing.

The world is brainwashed to feel good irregardless of the realities around them and the NWO are motivating people to do that, for now. The time will come when feel good means exterminating by age, race, religion, or what ever marker serves the purpose of managing population. The feel good motive isn't tied to reality just itself. The feel good motive can be arranged for any rational and any circumstances.

Im schizophrenic but GOD showed me the future. (If Jesus was to come back he would be called schizophrenic. Not that Im on the level Jesus was, he was the son of GOD. I'm only human.)
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 27-4-2010 by Theone2000]

reply to post by ReelView


Oh yeah? How good are your "borders" doing at keeping the drugs from crossing the Mexican-US border?

How about all those immigrants?

Oh yeah. It doesn't work at all.

So...what is the point of borders if they do not accomplish any of their original goals?

Why not think out of the box and create better solutions?

Trying to stick with a old concept that does not solve any problems, is not very logical.