Freedom, Tea Party style

This is not meant to be a partisan issue as I am a registered Republican.

This is meant to expose the hypocrisy of the Tea Party movement.



This videos show that the TPM does not practice what it preaches, I am hard pressed to believe that the TPM values our bill of rights since they routinely set up
"free speech zones" .

We really don't need a third party if its run by thugs and hypocrites, we have more than enough of those in Government as it is.

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You've got to be kidding me! Democrats complain left and right about signs like that, but this guy getting escorted out for carrying one makes the tea party hypocritical? That is just hilarious.

This was an establishment event, of course it was fascist. Looks like a "false flag" tea party rally... complete with speakers from both mafia families to explosion belch upon the tea people some rank GOP/DNC dogma vomit..

Bridget Melson, establishment tool, was the organizer, her message?.."A lot of the Tea Party patriots I have heard want to form their own party, and I think that's a big mistake," said Melson. "Absolutely, a big mistake.".. I'm thinking the local powers wouldn't have so easily granted a rally permit where 2-party cheese bags were un-welcome... that'd be "anti-govt".

Id do the same thing if I was the DC mafia, pay some local lackey to sucker in the tea people... then send my spokesmen to "billy mays!" em into buying the new GOP / DNC "scam-wow!!, guaranteed to suck, fail and kill strangers as you go broke!!.. only $19.95 trillion BUT WAIT!, order now and well throw in fascist laws and illegal wars absolutely FREE* (you pay 666 billion in shipping and occupying)"

GOP & DNC koolaid now comes in "tea" flavors... spit it out, on them if necessary.

Id support ANY 3rd party of real tea people like the 2 kids who the nice gestapo escorted to the f off zone... I'd trust pot smoking skate-boarding taggers that dont use rubbers to better represent ME than the snakes in the GOP or DNC.

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edit: lets not discount the comedy gold that would ensue by electing a grip of senator 'dudes' from the tea-party.. as they skate down the halls of congress in tie-dyed "peace" shirts singing "give peace a chance" .. the old school mafioso would be driven to alcohol rehab, heart attacks and early death having been driven batcrap crazy by those damn regular citizens. I'd love it.

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reply to post by Jenna




Buddy, I am not a Democrat and I know they are almost just as bad.

What I am saying is that the Tea Party is full of it.

The Tea Party claims it respects and honors our Bill of Rights yet in the video we see that they have free speech zones Ala Bush.

Its leadership is the old guard of neocons who love war and hate the poor.

Had the Obama Joker been alone on the sign he would have been fine and you know it, since they insulted the Queen Sara Palin they guard crapped his diaper, turned red and kicked them out.

He is a damned fascist if I ever did see one.

I wonder if he knows that the Queen hangs out with Lady Rothschild of the Rothschild banking clan who own our Federal Reserve which has screwed us for years



The lady and her agents are hard at work behind the scenes to ferment revolution just like past Rothschild's have done.

The Tea Party claims to be the solution to an out of control government yet they are basically the same followers and leaders of the Republican party who brought us to where we are today.

They have proven that they are willing to ignore any and all crimes as long as they are committed by Republicans.

I am calling them out as a scam and a bunch of hypocrites who are trying to frenzy the American people into a panic knowing latent racism is endemic in today's society.

The G.O.P is using that racism as an underlying unifier, They have their token Blacks and Hispanics but they are there for show only.

If it were McCain the TPM would be in love with all that has happened, just like they were with the actions of GWB .

Mark my words, the Tea Party will be the Fourth Reich if they come into power, Americans will learn what fascism really is, you see they only honor the rights of people they agree with, everyone else is a terrorist.

Face it, the President has not done that bad and actually improved on some things.

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I never said you were a Democrat. I pointed out that they have been pitching fits over those signs and that guy got kicked out for having one as far as we know. Did it ever occur to you to question what exactly he was doing before he started taping himself getting escorted out? Or did you just take it at face value that it was because Sarah Palin is on his sign too? Don't you find it even the least bit convenient that he doesn't show you what was going on before that point? I'm guessing not. It doesn't really matter if he was doing something worth getting kicked out for, or if it was really just about his sign. So long as it supports your anti-tea party stance you don't really care either way do you?

I find the blind following of the Tea Party Movement on this site curious to say the least. It is becoming increasingly obvious to me that they are a shill for the Neo-Cons and are backed by Fox News among others.

Perhaps the movement was started with the best of intentions but that is not at all where they are now.

Why then, do some of the members of this site act as though any attack on the TPM is a personal attack against them? Are they Republican talking heads? Are they Fox News commentators? Where is their horse in this fight? If it is with the people and the United States Constitution they should be looking beyond the TPM to what is next, a real movement to bring the changes they want to see by convincing their fellow Americans of their opinion and not just yelling at President Obama and pushing Neo-Con ideas under the guise of populism.

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I am glad to see some form of honesty

If it helps "my guys" are just as full of it

I try my best not to be, I am so glad others see the merits in truth, or an attempt to
represent such accurately.


cheers to you!

I am a bit appalled at this board when it comes to politics. It seems that others can't accept the fact that there are dissenting opinions when it comes to this issue. Saying "mafiosos" and higher powers are involved in Tea Parties is just crazy, both of my grandparents have given speeches at them, and my cousin played keyboard for a few of the bands. It seems alot of people see a talking head like Sarah Palin and discount them completely. Well, Sarah Palin isn't the one representing the tea party movement! The people are! and that's the jist of it. The operation isn't neo-con. Most of the people at these events understand the MAJOR shortcomings of the bush administration, but they are also fed up with the Obama administration as a whole (duh.) They want change in America as a whole, not just in political parties in power, etc. It is basically an event to make the American people understand that the government doesn't control us, we control it. A fair amount of these people are CONSTITUTIONALISTS, and if that translates into "flaming neo-con" then it's plain sad to see what the people in this nation have turned into.

Sarah Palin only attends very few of these, they are local events, and one was held just recently here in Philadelphia. No, she was not here. The purpose of these events are to show that the people are in power (not the government), and they are plain FED UP with what this country has turned into, it's about returning to the roots: our constitution. We live in a sad state where people think speaking freely about the greatness of a constitutional america is mocked as some type of political front, extremism, or militia operation. Damn, the media really does ruin everything!

These people aren't fox news talking heads, they understand just as well as you and me that fox is biased. They understand that ALL media is biased. I grew up in a strictly republican family atmosphere, and all of them know Fox News doesn't deliver "fair and balanced" news. The reason fox eats this Tea Party stuff alive is because it is NEWS, news that just happens to agree with some of their biases. It's a great movement, and it's really sad to see that people are disappointed that there are groups of people who want to take this wonderful country back to its CORE which is the constitution. The constitution is what made this wonderful country, and seeing thousands of people in strong support of it makes me (and should make most other Americans) very happy. As for Palin? She tosses out good one-liners, but tea partiers are aware that she is more of a MASCOT than a leader.

The point im trying to get across is that most of these people aren't Palin Hick Fox News Shills, they are level-headed citizens, tax-payers, and proud of their country. Im sure there's bandwagoners that watch Fox News and run out to these Tea Parties without the slightest bit of political conscience, so shame on them. But it's plain rude to generalize an entire movement into one mindset. It's like saying Obama supporters are a bunch of peace loving hippies, which simply isn't true, so don't generalize tea-partiers as Fox News chronies. Where were you guys during all the Obama rallies? LOL. because every other media outlet besides fox stood behind them and ate THAT # alive for news. The sad part about those is that they involved groups screaming the government will provide PEACE and HOPE. Tea Parties are great because they are groups screaming the government isn't the true leader - WE ARE.

In the future, be weary - a movement isn't what the NEWS tells you it is, they tell you what THEY want it to mean to YOU. you see? The fact that FOX pushes for the rallies and shows Palin one-liners doesn't mean that tea partiers push for SARAH PALIN and FOX NEWS, in fact they are better off WITHOUT THEM. That's why I never watch the news. In fact, I feel you can't get the true story of ANYTHING until you're actually there, or on ATS hah.

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reply to post by ProjectJimmy


Oh please. Aren't we here to learn the truth about things? How much truth do you honestly think is learned by youtube videos that only give you half the story and blindly believing what the MSM tells you? It doesn't take a FOX commentator to see the irony in people saying the tea parties are full of hatred, bigots and racists while claiming that it's "just because Obama's black", name-calling and spewing line after line of hateful comments about them.

I can guarantee you that most of the people claiming the tea parties are nothing but a bunch of neo-cons and whatever other names they want to throw at them have never even been to one. They learned everything they know from the MSM. Not my idea of a quality education.

So what can I do? If I disagree with people who make all these broad-sweeping generalizations about hundreds of thousands of people, I must be a neo-con and work for FOX news. If I agree with them, I'm a liar and would be letting others tell me what my views are. I think I'll stick with disagreeing. It seems to me that being called names and accused of things is preferable to going against what I know to be true. I know disagreeing with the government isn't cool now that Bush is out of office, but I've never really been concerned with being one of the cool kids.

Originally posted by Jenna
reply to post by ProjectJimmy

 

It seems to me that being called names and accused of things is preferable to going against what I know to be true. I know disagreeing with the government isn't cool now that Bush is out of office, but I've never really been concerned with being one of the cool kids.

Well if you KNOW there was plenty of disagreement when Bush your education will
be more complete. I think it is this aspect that has created much of the distrust the TP
has raised...

Here we have the same people reaction over things that are essentially
akin to the last president, there is not much difference in execution, Obama and Bush are homeboys.

However the perception of the man in power is what I believe is what fuels the outrage more than the intellectual dishonest will admit. I believe to some large, yet veiled degree, these TP people are completely unaware of this component.

Now as an outsider I can see the dynamics in a much more concise fashion. I AM VERY AWARE OF THE SENTIMENT BECAUSE OF ATS and the hundreds upon hundreds of interactions I have engaged in with members.

Now, add the fact that the same big government politicians are FREE to speak at these events (without getting tomatoed) and the whole thing looks like a viable back door
for the GOP to wash away its "sins". Two parties, "one option" not currently in power, choice is clear. GOP to fix the shiz we advocated for, that you cheered for then, but hate now!!!

If Dick Armey wasn't up there speaking I might have some faith... But he is... The crowd fails to recognize that DICK is the guy who pushed to get the deregulatory practices in place to via his past leadership roles. Which lead to a strong Federal reaction and the very big government they are protesting, which is the same thing they seem to want again apparently.

So one might ask, does this TP really care? Care is exerted with more than talk typically.

They don't seem to care enough to be more discerning in their choices in politicians. This being amended WOULD be good evidence of caring for me, but it appears they don't, as long as they get the socialist, elite community organizer out!

Wasn't that the problem with Bush?

Loved him like a NASCAR champeen and
were the basis of public support all presidents need to fulfill agenda, only to realize they hated what they all but delivered for BUSH via the public square of support, the TRUE power in any democracy.

"Bush was too liberal", of course they had to give him two shots just to make sure right?

If these people cared, wouldn't the majority of them have been more vocal well before the disaster ball started rolling unabated? Maybe, fine...

But for me, it all comes back to Dick, Dick Armey's current role in the movement just seals the deal for me. If they realized too late with Bush, why are they setting up the core group of politicians to get back to the agenda that created this escalation of mess (last decade) again?

Same people, same ideas, same rhetoric... What has changed?

IMO there is no better friend to the government than the Conservative base, when a conservative is in office. Thats the problem for me, same people, SAME IDEAS, same rhetoric, policies, politicians, but at least it is not the same day and the guy they elect will hopefully talk like them.

You guys can think what you want obviously, but there is another layer and it would behoove everyone to see how this place works in the long run, despite keeping up appearances, you should do so in private.



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[edit on 28-4-2010 by Janky Red]

Originally posted by Jenna
reply to post by ProjectJimmy

 

Oh please. Aren't we here to learn the truth about things? How much truth do you honestly think is learned by youtube videos that only give you half the story and blindly believing what the MSM tells you? It doesn't take a FOX commentator to see the irony in people saying the tea parties are full of hatred, bigots and racists while claiming that it's "just because Obama's black", name-calling and spewing line after line of hateful comments about them.

I can guarantee you that most of the people claiming the tea parties are nothing but a bunch of neo-cons and whatever other names they want to throw at them have never even been to one. They learned everything they know from the MSM. Not my idea of a quality education.

So what can I do? If I disagree with people who make all these broad-sweeping generalizations about hundreds of thousands of people, I must be a neo-con and work for FOX news. If I agree with them, I'm a liar and would be letting others tell me what my views are. I think I'll stick with disagreeing. It seems to me that being called names and accused of things is preferable to going against what I know to be true. I know disagreeing with the government isn't cool now that Bush is out of office, but I've never really been concerned with being one of the cool kids.

Thank you for proving my point. I have to ask why though. Why is an attack on the TPM, a political entity, an attack on you as a person?

Instead of actually addressing the claims you simply attack journalists such as myself that have covered TPM events, saying we're making massive generalizations and trying to demonize dissenters.

The facts surrounding the funding, organizing, promotion and profitability of the TPM have been covered in depth in other threads, and by news sources worldwide. Check those if you would.

Finally, you say that disagreement with the government isn't "cool" anymore, if you look at my original post, I urge the TPM rank and file to start a new movement, not to stop disagreeing with the government in any way shape or form.

Look at how the anti-Vietnam War movement and the Civil Rights movement handled their causes, they were true populist uprisings, real social sweeping changes. You the people who show up to TPM events are not setting the agenda, you are not creating the talking points. Palin, Hannity, and other political talking-heads are doing that for you, shoving it down your throats.

When was the last time you, the lowly attendee of the Tea Party Movement had any say in any of it? Real populism, real change starts with the people. Those 5 students who organize a walk out, the Freedom Riders, the draft-card burners, the original Boston Tea Party attendees.

They all were proactive, they made change because they did a hell of a lot more than stand around with signs and listen to Republicans who are up for re-election. They did something real.

The TPM is not a populist movement anymore, it's just a series of Republican campaign rallies now.

reply to post by Janky Red


You know what I really hate? When I randomly get logged out right as I'm clicking the post button and my reply gets eaten by the internet.... Guess I get to try and re-create it now.


I'm fully aware of all the anger towards Bush because I was one of the people who was angry about his policies. I was called anti-American, conservative, ignorant, liberal nutjob, left-wing nut, stupid, etc. etc. for not approving of everything (or anything really) that he did or wanted to do.

Now Obama is in office and I'm once again voicing my disapproval while receiving more of the same in return. Only now I'm a neo-con, right-wing nut, 'tea-bagger' (and frankly being called a term used as a sexual euphemism really pisses me off), ignorant, racist, bigot, etc. etc. And as an added bonus I get asked "Where were you when Bush was in office?" like I never said a word about anything political until January.

Sarah Palin speaking at a few meetings and rallies does not make her the poster child of the tea parties nor does it mean that every person who has been to and/or support the tea parties supports her. That's like saying that if Barney Frank spoke at a gay rights meeting then everyone who supports gay rights supports Barney Frank as well. The logic just doesn't work.

I agree we need new ideas. It's blatantly obvious that the things Congress has been doing aren't working and our country is suffering for it. And before anyone gets smart, no I'm not just talking about the current Congress. This country's been going downhill for awhile, neither side is fixing the problems, and both sides are to blame for the state it's currently in. Our 'elected officials' are more concerned with getting their pet projects paid for than they are with the state of the country.

reply to post by Jenna


Yes, I agree that I am dead set against the TPM, just like I was dead set against the neocons in 2008, a group who now call themselves the Tea Party.


I think I have the right to call them out and I will show you why I speak from a position of righteousness.

In 2008 this is what I was doing.
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In 2001 I was on the Streets of lower Manhattan smelling the barbecued Civilians that died on 9/11 because the neocons needed a reason to make themselves richer.
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From 1996 to 2000 I was serving my country.
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The Tea Party is made up of people who don't have a clue, they are mad about so many different things yet they fail to understand that the people below are responsible for Americas present problems..

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What do they do instead?

They want to bring the neocons back into power, can you imagine what would happen to America once the Tea Party puts the above people back into power?

They demand the Blood Of President Obama, who in their right mind would side with such people?

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I still support Ron Paul but that is because he has stayed true to his principles while the Tea Party just happen to wake up because a black man is in the White house.

Sorry to say it but the Democrats at least can be reasoned with while the Republicans can not.

reply to post by Janky Red



I meant no offense, also I said "almost as full of it".

I just want the TPM to understand that they are being used by neocons and to stop spreading nonsense about being for liberty and peace.

Their past shows that they are saturated in blood, oppression and lies.

Its time to move forward and the leadership of Barack Obama is helping, they just cant expect an overnight fix to 8 years of disaster and treason.

It will take years to bring us back if it is even possible, we will fail if the neocons regain control.

Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
Perhaps the movement was started with the best of intentions but that is not at all where they are now.

I agree 100%, they even stole our name.
They are pathetic lackeys of the criminal elite.

I tell you this, they hate the fact that Obama has been helping the poor.

They claim that the Democrats steal from them to give it to the poor but they dont mind when Jose is cutting the lawn for $1 an hour, they just expect the poor to eat mud like in Haiti.

Now that the warmongering they loved for so long has them on the verge of having mud for dinner they are concerned

Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
Thank you for proving my point. I have to ask why though. Why is an attack on the TPM, a political entity, an attack on you as a person?

See my above post.

Instead of actually addressing the claims you simply attack journalists such as myself that have covered TPM events, saying we're making massive generalizations and trying to demonize dissenters.

I hate to break it to you, but that's what journalists do. Good news doesn't sell, controversy does.

You must have missed this:



Or any of these:

Olberman and Garofalo, NPR's Nina Totenberg, CNN doubts rationality of anger at the government, CNN's Anderson Cooper, MSNBC's O'Donnell, CNN contributor Paul Begala, ABC downplays violence and arrests at immigration protests but called tea parties 'very ugly', Bloomberg Editor Al Hunt, Kathleen Parker on CBS, or there's always David Shuster from MSNBC.

That enough proof for you? Or would you prefer a video compilation?

Now, you tell me why I say journalists are trying everything they can to demonize the tea parties. If you can manage to cover tea parties without doing any of the above, good. You're one of the few. I've seen what the MSM has to say about the tea parties, I've listened to it with my own ears. You can't tell me that the things they've said weren't meant to deride, ridicule and demonize the tea parties. I know better.

Finally, you say that disagreement with the government isn't "cool" anymore, if you look at my original post, I urge the TPM rank and file to start a new movement, not to stop disagreeing with the government in any way shape or form.

Yet look what happens when people do disagree with the government.

They all were proactive, they made change because they did a hell of a lot more than stand around with signs and listen to Republicans who are up for re-election. They did something real.

Do you realize what the alternative is to holding rallies? The alternative is violent action. Look at Code Pink for example, they disagree with the war so they damage recruiting offices and throw paint on soldiers. Holding rallies, making phone calls, writing letters, those are the things we can do while waiting for the elections in November. Anything else is one heck of a bad road to start down and would do nothing to help our cause and everything to prove those idiots in the links right. What good would that do anyone?

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Well at least you can admit that you refuse to listen to reason. You get bonus points for that, I suppose.

Like I said a few posts ago, I was right there with everyone who was angry at Bush and what the Democrat controlled Congress was doing during both his terms in office. No one wanted to listen. Now I'm here with everyone who is angry at what Obama and the Democrat controlled Congress are doing. No one wants to listen.

I can't even count how many times I've heard people who support the tea parties say that both sides are to blame and that all the career politicians need to be voted out for anything to change. Yet you condemn the entire movement because of what you think you know.