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Originally posted by riley
The assertion is that an entire continent of people are too stupid to have noticed a change in the position of their own country
Originally posted by Dragon33
For goodness sake... how long are you guys going to keep trying to drag these threads out? I've lived in Oz all my life and I can assure each and every one of you who is sooo certain Australia has moved that it most definately has not moved at all in any way.
I laugh at your inferior memories...
Originally posted by tappy
reply to post by gordonwest
Ok, well this is how I would explain it.
The idea of timeline or dimension shifts comes from the theory that we live not in a Universe, but in a Multiverse, where there are many different 'copies' if you will, of the universe. But each 'copy' is different - could be subtle differences, could be major differences.
I guess if you've ever seen the show 'Sliders' then that might help explain it, but of course that's not where the idea comes from.
The theory I've read about is that whenever a decision has to be made, reality 'branches off' into all possible outcomes, and we find ourselves on one of these outcomes (but another version of ourselves will exist in each other outcome).
Let's take a simple scenario.
Say I am out of work, and I get really lucky and get two job offers on the same day. One is in the city where I live, the other is several hundred miles away in a rural area.
When I decide which job to take, reality branches off, creating another universe/timeline where I took the other job. So there is now two Universes, existing at the same time. One, (you could call it 'this one') is where I am working at a new job in the city and the other is where another version of me is working in a small rural town.
(This is of course very simplistic, there are many universes existing all at once, but its easier to just think of two for this illustration).
Now, where does a timeline shift come in?
Well, say there I am six months later, working at my job in the city. From my office window I can see a new office block being built on the edge of town. My colleagues and I discuss this, hoping that once the offices are built, our company might relocate to the nice new offices.
Then I go on holiday for a week. On my first day back at work, I look out of my window as usual, but there is no sign of the office block. I ask my colleagues about it, but they have no idea what I'm talking about.
I am 100% sure that there was an office block being built, but it seems like I'm the only one who knows about it. I drive by the site later that day, but it is just a wasteland, or perhaps there are houses there instead. I go to the planning office - the council has no knowledge of a new office block.
The explanation for this is that somewhere along the way, while I was on holiday, I 'jumped' into another timeline, where an office block wasn't being built. I know it was there, but no one else does, and they'll be adamant that I'm wrong and that there never was an office block on the site.
Some people might even say I'm crazy for being so sure about it, but I know I'm right - yet I can't prove it. In this 'new' timeline, (new to me, anyway) there was never any intention for an office block to be built, therefore I can never prove that in 'my' timeline, it existed.
The changes in each timeline can be large or small. In some there can be very subtle differences that you'd only notice if you were really paying attention, such as, say, a tree that is a few yards further down the garden. In other timelines, there could be major differences - hence the discussion about Australia being in a different place. Or maybe a timeline where Hitler died as a kid... etc, etc
Hope my long explanation helps
The multiverse theory also allows for the possibility of time travel, because it would provide a solution to the 'grandfather paradox'. But that's probably for another thread
Originally posted by demonseed
wow thank you for taking the time to write that. Hopefully people will stop jumping on the bandwagon and calling us stupid. (although i doubt it)
Originally posted by Transience
Well, if the concept of the multiverse is to be believed it is a bit more complicated than described. Looking at decisions from a human point of view has no value since you are applying it to a natural process.
Would interaction between more similar universes be easier, so to say.
Originally posted by burdenofdreams
OK, I had to create an account just to comment on this. First of all: sorry for what may seem like weird vagueness, I try to remain as anonymous as possible online, which is hopefully just paranoia. So, here's my weird story: I've always taken an interest in Australia and NZ, as some of my favorite films come from this region, and I was always an A student in geography. One of my favorite gifts as a kid was a globe, which my siblings and I used all the time for games we made up. My favorite reading material was National Geographic - ancient civilizations, animals around the world, etc. My siblings and I were all in GATE classes (like Honors classes for grade school). Straight A's through college graduation. Anyways...
Yesterday an opportunity came up for me to travel to Oz and NZ this winter, and I went to look at a map of airports there to try to plan a trip...and the map I saw was COMPLETELY, UNNERVINGLY WRONG. Not like, "wow, I thought NZ was northeast of Oz and closer to it, guess my memory's going" -- I was so CERTAIN it was that I immediately looked at another map, and was completely baffled. My traveling partner had the same reaction!
Then, later the SAME NIGHT I came to ATS to look for threads about the BP spill, and under recent threads I found this one. And it spooked me so much that I asked my mother and siblings where Oz and NZ are in relation to each other (w/o telling why I was asking). My mother and 1 sibling said w/o hesitation that NZ was NE of Oz, while the other sibling correctly said it was SE. (So much for my theory that our made-in-China globe was some sort of communist trick on us).
It's really strange that we're all so CERTAIN of things being different (my mother, 1 sibling, travel partner, and I). Everything else about the current map of the world looks fine, it's just this region that's off (Oz should also be further than PNG, in my vivid memory of my globe, plus past maps, geog quizzes, etc).
I don't think this has anything to do with a time shift, because, as some have pointed out, other things would be changed drastically as well. And then there's the climate of NZ. It's just this vivid picture in my mind of the geography in this area of the world that doesn't match up. It seems clear this is a false memory. BUT...
For so many people to have the same false memory, and be so certain of it, and realize around the same time that it is wrong -- that's what spooks me. Did you know that specific false memories can be implanted by using light signals? Or during hypnosis? Or via subliminal messages (visual or aural)? Or psychotropics?
Consider this: Implanting a false memory that turns out not to be true is a good way to A) make a person doubt other memories that may be real, and B) make other people think this person is delusional.
If anything, this sounds more like a psychological experiment on unwitting human test subjects than a timeline shift. Certainly wouldn't be the first time. Here's a question: is there something that we all have in common? (That is, people who remember NZ and Australia being in different places - esp. those who recall NZ in the northeast).
Of course it could all be coincidence, but it is a rather peculiar coincidence.
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by tappy
However, this theory requires Multiple Worlds theory to be true, which, as of now, there is no more proof for it than any of the other quantum theories. Furthermore, those who do support the theory state that it would be impossible for one to move between the different universes, thus making a timeline shift impossible.