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Does Concrete Matter Exist

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posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 10:54 AM
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I have been reading Hegel's phenomenology of spirit and the question has arisen can matter take on a formness of itself. Matter itself is an abstraction of what is here and merely changes with the presence of the now. Its understood by the consciousness as something as exist or a thisness. This thisness or conscious understanding is made by what is here or the abstraction of the concrete reality that is around us as is now. The I of a thing is apparently what unifies the material and immaterial. Though it is impossible for it to here because what is here is not and what is not now it is only what it is because matter does not exist. Our ability to know the concrete material of a thing is an unconscious movement of our consciousness or a the thisness which identifies the hereness of an object. If this is so is this unconscious movement of our thoughts in and of itself become the thing we understand to be. That is to say by not existing as it is matter fuses itself with the truth surrounding it as something that is responsible for its very hereness or very existing as now. And I as a conscious being is able to make through my own consciousness become a living projection of the object perceived. Apparently does the I of a thing make it what it is and that we cannot know through material abstraction nor make a fully conscious act through our own being.

[edit on 27-4-2010 by EarthquakeNewMadrid2010]




posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 11:26 AM
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Of course concrete matter exists. I have an entire driveway made out of it.



posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 11:44 AM
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I've often considered the question of if physical matter is really physical at all.

Because light and "matter" are interchangeable and light is insubstantial, it stands to reason that matter is really just the creation of force, and those forces attract, repeal, and blunt movement.

Electrons, for all purposes, do not really seem to exist. They are infinitesimally small so as to have no real volume, only an excreted force.

The same can be said of protons and neutrons, which seem to be a collection of weaker electron-like force markers.

I suppose the frequency of existence matters as well, because I've heard it said that if one were to alter one's frequency, they would not be affected by physical matter that exists in our frequency range. That being said they would probably not be able to breath our air either, so they would die.

I would say yes insofar as we perceive it, but abstractly, no, physical matter does not exist in the way many think of it.



posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 12:28 PM
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What people perceive as solid matter is actually just a level of energetic density. A person as small as a Fly might perceive water to be solid because he is able to walk on it, you know what I mean?



posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 12:48 PM
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I knew I had seen it somewhere.
Gentlemen I give you...
CONCRETE MATTER



posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 02:48 PM
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"Space is the illusion that we are all separate constructs." I wrote that quote down while watching "What the bleep do we know?" on youtube. If you havent seen it, you should take the time to watch it... its just very fascinating.

www.youtube.com... - part 1

I find it even more interesting that somehow, a solid rock, when examined closely, is mostly just empty space.



posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 05:51 PM
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of course, but your defnition of concrete matter in your mind is wrong, what is existence ? it is an objective fact of positive truth, that mean two major elements preconcepts base of void one free life fact

but from that objective positive truth a life subjectivity occur first before truth life, and that life subjectively went to mean the creation of negative truth concept being the source of creations life realiteis

so you are confusing both because they are both in one same reality

the concept of one source is the negative truth as the killer of objective facts

it means the absolute character of void perfect death one to justify the life of negative truth creations

when it is one source then the concept of same cannot be, so there is no objective reality and that source become silent quickly since it is the same the best there lols



posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by EarthquakeNewMadrid2010
I have been reading Hegel's phenomenology of spirit and the question has arisen can matter take on a formness of itself. Matter itself is an abstraction of what is here and merely changes with the presence of the now. Its understood by the consciousness as something as exist or a thisness. This thisness or conscious understanding is made by what is here or the abstraction of the concrete reality that is around us as is now. The I of a thing is apparently what unifies the material and immaterial. Though it is impossible for it to here because what is here is not and what is not now it is only what it is because matter does not exist. Our ability to know the concrete material of a thing is an unconscious movement of our consciousness or a the thisness which identifies the hereness of an object. If this is so is this unconscious movement of our thoughts in and of itself become the thing we understand to be. That is to say by not existing as it is matter fuses itself with the truth surrounding it as something that is responsible for its very hereness or very existing as now. And I as a conscious being is able to make through my own consciousness become a living projection of the object perceived. Apparently does the I of a thing make it what it is and that we cannot know through material abstraction nor make a fully conscious act through our own being.

[edit on 27-4-2010 by EarthquakeNewMadrid2010]


Hegel is pretty much only saying that the abstraction is in the mind and we can only "know" our thoughts and the labels of our perceptions. the labels are the abstractions.

This also says that we cannot know what these phenomena of apparent reality are, we can only describe them through abstraction and use that for our knowledge base.

So in a real sense, let's face it. Suppose we see a dog. To us, we abstract the qualities of "dogness" attributable to the object we see. The attributes match what we call "dog", so we see a dog.


But we don't know what that thing really is. We call it a dog.

there is nothing that addresses that the manifestation of the object perceived might not really be there. Objective reality is possibly equivalent to concrete reality.

Matter itself is not the abstraction, unless what you want to say is that the thing we notice, we call "matter" and the label 'matter' is the abstraction.

And necessarily, it seems entropy is a real thing, so of course moment to moment matter can change, but what he is saying isn't inconsistent with Greek Philosophy, it just sounds different.

he is an enigmatic fellow, there is no doubt of that! You have to be careful and understand that interpreting german into english will have it's applications that make things sometimes coming out with meanings implied that may not be implied in the original.

German is a rich and "voluptuous" language.



posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 08:57 PM
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E=mc2 means energy and matter are the same thing, just two sides of the same coin. matter therefore can never be truly concrete

even if matter and energy are not the same thing atoms have been proven to be mostly hollow. if the nucleus of an atom was the size of a basketball its electrons would be orbiting a mile away.

i dont think anything is really "concrete" in the sense that it is truely a solid object that will always and has always been solid. in my opinion if matter can not exist without a conscious observer than the conscious observer is the concrete holding everything together.

if nothing could exist without consciousness than some form of consciousness had to be present at the beginning of the universe in order for the atoms/matter/energy to every have existed or evolved



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