reply to post by VitriolAndAngst
Wow. That was quite the rant. I'd like to clarify just a couple of small, fine points for you.
I'll not quibble with your allegation that there was no debate from 'the republicans' for a year and a half - not only because there was nothing
worthy of debate ever on the floor, but mainly because those worthless damned republicans have let America down once again. One EXPECTS that sort of
negligence from the left, but it's in the fine print where we are informed that the neocons who've invaded and taken over the republican party are
nothing more than the right wing of the left. They're nothing more than two sides of the same coin. That's why there has been no 'change' between
Bush and Obama. They're both just minions of the same party, the same agenda.
I find your assertion that SPENDING more money from governmental coffers is going to somehow SAVE taxpayers money laughable. It's nothing more than
the regurgitation of partisan talking points, in an unthinking manner. For confirmation, look to the microcosm of your own personal finances. How
exactly is it that SPENDING your last ten dollars also SAVES it? The same principle applies to the macrocosm of national finances.
If the 'uninsured pregnant mother' down the street deserves your money to cover her own negligence, why do you not pay her expenses on your own,
rather than relying on a governmental middle man? Are you lacking in compassion or something? See, that way, you could direct your charity to the
place you WANT it to go, and you could entirely bypass that pesky national army you so despise. Why is it you feel the need for others to determine
where YOUR money is spent? Are you incapable of determining that on your own?
We don't have any 'undocumented workers' around here, so I can't really address that point very well. Documentation is required to work around
here, so 'undocumented workers' are working illegally here. They're 'illegal aliens' in these parts, not 'undocumented workers'. Those
individuals tend to get paid here in excess of the minimum wage, by about 30%. Minimum wage jobs are reserved for citizens who play by the rules.
Minimum wage is what they get for their loyalty, while illegal aliens get considerably more, and pay out considerably less in taxes by working in the
fields, under the table, away from the stern gaze of the tax man. It seems like some of that overage would be well spent on treating that TB that you
think is endemic amongst them, but in fact most of the overage is sent back home to foreign lands, to improve THEIR economy. That's ok, though, they
can send YOU the bill for their health care, right? No particular reason they should pay for their own.
I'll clue you in on one other thing - I AM one of those parents you claim is going to need 'health care'. I carried insurance for YEARS, knowing
that I couldn't afford to actually USE it. It was wasted money, thrown away in a ponzi scheme of epic proportions. That's all insurance is - a scam
to further enrich those who you appear to detest. Yet paradoxically, you rail in favor of enriching them even further? I just can't quite grasp the
logic there, but I don't really need to. What truly puzzles me is why, if YOU want to enrich them, you find it acceptable to do it with MY money. Are
you incapable of paying insurance premiums on your own, and find it necessary for government to FORCE you to?
But I digress. Back to my original point. I paid insurance uselessly for years. Even though I'm one of those parents who, according to your analysis,
are 'going to need health care', I have no insurance now, nor do I want any. I've spent years looking after my own health care, in spite of the
insurance I carried that I couldn't afford to use. Somehow I managed, and will continue to do so, just these days I don't rely on the false umbrella
of insurance. I'm no longer enriching others who do nothing but take the money and laugh all the way to the bank. Nor am I going to.
That's right, you can have your silly, illogical scheme of governmental 'health care'. I'll not be participating. I will not be forced by your
overlords to pay into the insurance ponzi scheme, nor will I pay their silly little penal taxes for refusal to do so. Paying taxes is one thing, being
forced to buy a useless product at gun point is quite another. Never mind how I intend to accomplish that refusal. I promise that I ain't gonna
participate in the charade, and that's really all anyone needs to know. I won't pay into it, and neither will I take out of it. That's the essence
of non-participation. The money flows in neither direction.
Edit to add: love your use of the amusing phrase "robber barons". Makes it look like you don't understand that you've only traded one master for
another, and that BOTH are robbing you. ESPECIALLY in this 'health care' scheme. BY buying into this, you're insisting that the governmental
masters rob you and give it to the 'robber barons', so they don't have to rob you directly, but through governmental enforcers instead.
[edit on 2010/4/28 by nenothtu]