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Originally posted by Masterjaden
Originally posted by saabster5
The difficult thing for me to wrap my tiny insignificant brain around is where did the water go? 4000m of water above today's current sea levels to place this "Ark" on a mountain has to go somewhere? I believe if an "Ark" did exist we would find it close or around today's current sea levels. 4000m of water on a localized level is unfathomable. 4000m on a regional level is beyond unfathomable. That much water would have to come from somewhere. Ice Age couldn't account for that much water. 4000m of water just doesn't evaporate overnight, let alone 4800 years. The water that is here on earth today has taken millions of years to develop. I guess after the great flood, God asked Mel Brooks for his Mega-Maid and sucked up all the excess water.
You;ve obviously suffered from pardigmical indoctrination.
Try thinking outside the box.
How about this??? If pangea existed, what happens with all of the land under the oceans?
Could it be that this land formed and caused teh break up of the continents? and as it formed, it increased the size of the earth. Maybe the earth is a living growing entity. look at the extremely large sizes of the dinosaurs. Dinosaurs could not have lived on earth with current gravitic conditions. too many reasons to get into a debate as to why right now.
If the earth was smaller in the past, then there would be more than enough water to cover the earth.
Where did it go though. That's a good question, there are many possible eplanations. I'm at work right now and can't take the time to truly delve into them though.
Originally posted by Freeborn
As previously stated this is not the first time 'Noah's Ark' has been 'found' on Mount Ararat.
And how high must see level's have risen for a boat to be stranded on Mount Ararat....surely someone on ATS will be able to do the math...what,effect would that have had globally, surely there would be more evidence of something that wouldn't have just been a flood but a global deluge on a scale previously unknown.
And surely there would be evidence of such an event all over the world.
Hey, I'm no expert, just my initial thoughts on something I know very little about.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Nice to find the remains of an old ship...however...
1) If they don't find the ship, the story can't proven true.
2) If they find the ship, the story can be proven wrong. No matter what ship they find, it'll never be large enough to hold "2 of all kind". Ergo, the story is hogwash.
Nothing against archeology though, it is a nice find, and it'll tell us a lot about how people during those times traveled...and how far they were able to travel.
Originally posted by Totalstranger
I'll say it again. Noahs ark cant be real just for the simple fact that OTHER PEOPLE HAD BOATS BACK THEN!!! Other people wouldve have survived a worldwide flood in their boats. period. I've been saying this since I was 5 years old.
But it seems like they found something and my guess is its an old house/temple or something. every old wooden structure on a mountain is NOT Noahs Ark.
Originally posted by SmokeytheHair
Lol... Why are they claiming to have found a story book characters boat?? Don't they know it's not real?
Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.
When will people ever learn?
Originally posted by die_another_day
reply to post by Masterjaden
Mountains dont rise 4000m in 4000 years...
maybe in 400 million years?
Originally posted by Zaphod
Skipping the religious discussion, I still personally beleive (based on the evidence to date) that the Noah story does revolve around a meteor strike and mega-tsunami.
Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by havok
Your talking about all these flood myths as if they all happened at the same exact time. Point of fact is, many cultures that live near sources of water that regularly flood, do indeed contain flood myths, but the kicker is, none all discuss the same flood or were created at the same time nor are all the stories similar enough to even be used a 'smoking gun' for a world wide flood.
The Babylonian text "The Epic of Galgamesh" 1,8 and the Hebrew story are essentially identical with about 20 major points in common. Their texts are obviously linked in some way. Either:
bullet Genesis was copied from an earlier Babylonian story, or
bullet The Galgamesh myth was copied from an earlier Hebrew story, or
bullet Both were copied from a common source that predates them both.
In both the Genesis and Galgamesh stories:
bullet The Genesis story describes how mankind had become obnoxious to God; they were hopelessly sinful and wicked. In the Babylonian story, they were too numerous and noisy.
bullet The Gods (or God) decided to send a worldwide flood. This would drown men, women, children, babies and infants, as well as eliminate all of the land animals and birds.
bullet The Gods (or God) knew of one righteous man, Ut-Napishtim or Noah.
bullet The Gods (or God) ordered the hero to build a multi-story wooden ark (called a chest or box in the original Hebrew).
bullet The ark would be sealed with pitch.
bullet The ark would have with many internal compartments
bullet It would have a single door
bullet It would have at least one window.
bullet The ark was built and loaded with the hero, a few other humans, and samples from all species of other land animals.
bullet A great rain covered the land with water.
bullet The mountains were initially covered with water.
bullet The ark landed on a mountain in the Middle East.
bullet The hero sent out birds at regular intervals to find if any dry land was in the vicinity.
bullet The first two birds returned to the ark. The third bird apparently found dry land because it did not return.
bullet The hero and his family left the ark, ritually killed an animal, offered it as a sacrifice.
bullet God (or the Gods in the Epic of Gilgamesh) smelled the roasted meat of the sacrifice.
bullet The hero was blessed.
bullet The Babylonian gods seemed genuinely sorry for the genocide that they had created. The God of Noah appears to have regretted his actions as well, because he promised never to do it again.
The Jewish Noah's Ark legend appears to be a mixture of three Hindu flood myths: Satyavarman, Vaivasvata, and Nahusha. The Mahabharata states:
"The progeny of Adamis and Hevas (Adam and Eve) soon became so wicked that they were no longer able to coexist peacefully. Brahma therefore decided to punish his creatures "Vishnu" [right] ordered Vaivasvata to build a ship for himself and his family. When the ship was ready, and Vaivasvata and his family were inside with the seeds of every plant and a pair of every species of animal, the big rains began and the rivers began to overflow."
Not only are the names of the main players in the Noah story the same as the family of Satyavarman, but, like the Vaivasvata part that the Old Testament authors plagiarized from the Mahabharata, the rains fell for forty days and forty nights
And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat