No More Beer Summits: Tea Party ‘N-Word’ Incident Didn’t Happen, And the Congressional Black C

Well it was just a matter of time before the truth came out in this incident. Now we have video and audio of the alleged incident.

Rep. Andre Carson wants to change the subject. I don’t blame him.

On April 13, 2010 he told AP reporter Jesse Washington, “I think we need to move toward a dialogue that explores why this kind of divisive and reprehensible language is still making it into our political debate.”

The “divisive and reprehensible language” that Rep. Carson is referring to is his claim that while he left the Cannon office building on March 20 with Rep. John Lewis, they were verbally assaulted by health care protesters hurling the “N-word” at them. He said the scene was so hostile he “expected rocks to come” when he was coming out of Cannon.

I wanted to see the evidence. I wanted the truth. In the course of our search we have actually uncovered further video evidence that casts serious doubt on Rep.Carson’s claims:

Now this story is much more important than the accusation of fifteen racists among the thousands of protesters that day. This is now about the accusers.

It’s not just that Congressmen Carson’s accusation of an extraordinary racist verbal assault by the tea party participants on March 20 doesn’t appear to have occurred, it’s that the accusers have now gone into the bunker and, having raised the incendiary subject, are doing everything they can to avoid the discussion. Why? What’s changed?

When the accusation was made, the mainstream media made it the number one topic on every news show. The Democratic Party was leading the discussion. But when confronted on the baseless accusation, without even a modicum of evidence that it actually happened, other than an assertion, the Democratic Party, and its symbiotic allies the mainstream media, want to have another “beer summit.”

No. The Democratic Party and the political left cannot use the race card to shut up its opponents based upon pure fabrication any longer. This failed tactic ultimately serves to mitigate accusations of real racism — which we are not saying doesn’t exist.

When I offered a reward of $100,000 to be donated to the United Negro College Fund if anyone produced video and audio evidence that this occurred, I was accused of a publicity stunt (because everyone knows that the best way to get publicity in America is to accuse a civil rights icon of lying about racism). Rep. Carson himself suggested that my challenge was “a veiled attempt to justify actions that are simply unjustifiable.” Get it? He calls protesters racist and if you ask him to prove it, you’re a racist, too.

Needless to say, no one has claimed the $100,000.

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racism is stupid. Lying about racism to further a political agenda is pathetic. He is a sell out to his and any other race that has been victimized. when you set yourself up to be used as a tool for the government, you just end up looking like a tool.

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When the whole story and the attached accusations first broke I always found it rather odd that he heard 15 different people hurl the "word" 15 different times while briskly walking with his down to his rapid escape route. That takes observation skills that even the best CIA ops would covet.

I am surprised that he didn't also provide physical descriptions to a sketch artist as well.

All this time and a $100k reward and still no supporting evidence. It is probably being fabricated.

Doesn't he know, that there are video cameras everywhere. I mean come on, he even states that as a NY cop, he must be aware of even the number of cell phone cameras out there. But then maybe he's just stupid, or wants to further his anti-American, anti-constitution agenda at all costs! At even the cost of his credibility
Here's another one that needs to be voted out!
S&F

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The really sad part is that when one falsely cries racism it helps to discredit the times when it actually does occur. He was hoping to score quick "brother solidarity" points and got caught with his pants down. Here comes the Al Sharpton shuffle folks!

I see an angry mob in your video. It would be impossible to hear racial epithets amidst the loud booing. I suspect you see what you want to see.

Here is a video which CLEARLY shows a Black lawmaker being spat on.

Yeah Huff Post is polar opposite to Breitbart, I get it.

The TPM represents many things, the least of which includes deceny.

Nice try Jibeho. Per usual, all sail and no rudder.



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Originally posted by kinda kurious
I see an angry mob in your video. It would be impossible to hear racial epithets amidst the loud booing. I suspect you see what you want to see.

That's kind of the point. If it's too loud for anyone else to hear anything but loud booing and people chanting 'Kill the bill', how exactly did he clearly hear people yelling that particular word not once but 15 times when no one was near him? He acted like he was afraid for his life when people were clearly just standing there yelling 'Kill the bill' while he walked by. And I don't see an angry mob, I see people standing out of the way so there's a clear path through. Perhaps you're seeing what you want to see and not the other way around?

Edit: As for your video, it doesn't clearly show the man intentionally spitting on him. For all we know he was spitting when he spoke and it was accidental.

[edit on 27-4-2010 by Jenna]

The video has too much going on to be able to tell what any one person was shouting. You, as the viewer, can't tell what's happening, especially as they get further from the steps. It's inconclusive. Therefore, anyone who tries to use this footage to validate or invalidate any claims must be injecting their own opinion into it.

In other words, you are all seeing what you want to see. This proves or disproves nothing at all.

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I agree. Thanks so much for stating the unbiased viewpoint. We should all take a lesson!

This video neither proves nor disproves a thing.

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by kinda kurious
I see an angry mob in your video. It would be impossible to hear racial epithets amidst the loud booing. I suspect you see what you want to see.

That's kind of the point. If it's too loud for anyone else to hear anything but loud booing and people chanting 'Kill the bill', how exactly did he clearly hear people yelling that particular word not once but 15 times when no one was near him?

Hmmmmmm. I meant the camera microphone. Sorry. It is obvious a person's hearing is more sensitive. Ever heard cam phones from a rock concert vs. being there?

He acted like he was afraid for his life when people were clearly just standing there yelling 'Kill the bill' while he walked by.

I'd be afraid. Their anger was at a fever pitch. Happen to catch any signs? I can post more if you'd like. (Gun threats)

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As for your video, it doesn't clearly show the man intentionally spitting on him. For all we know he was spitting when he spoke and it was accidental.

If a person who is merely a foot away is speaking in such a harsh manner so as to be projecting saliva I think it was no accident. Better go back to your quiver and pull a sounder argument.


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I don't think you can post definitively that it did or didn't happen. Your claim to have the video that shows proof is just as bad as someone who says it happened with no proof.

The left continues to claim there is racism today and the right vehemently denies it. Well I got news for you. I am from Alabama, and I can assert unequivocally, THERE IS RACISM TODAY! You will never hide it, deny it's existence, make it go away, sweep it under a rug, or call it something else. The are three kinds of people in Alabama; blacks, racists rednecks, and normal people. I hear the N word almost everyday.

I'll never forget before the election, I was talking to my cousin about Obama. He said he didn't like him because he was a Muslim. I corrected him with facts. He said he didn't like him because he was a socialist who wanted to redistribute wealth. I corrected him with more facts. After about 15 minutes of that, he had no more talking points to regurgitate, so he turns around and says, "All I know is I ain't voting for no spook."

Classic. That sums up why most people around here don't like Obama. I hear it and see it everyday.

This is only going to get worse as the Libs and Socialist see they are losing there control.They don't have anything to argue there point for Socialisam and big government so the only thing they have is lies,retoric and your a racist if you don't agree with us.There is no debate with the Dems anymore,its there way or no way,this party and administration wants this country under there thumb and they will do anything(as they and the MSM have proven time and again)to achive control.

Unless these people are shown for the liers and fabricaters that they are this will only get worse.Its just a matter of time before someone infiltrates the Freedom movements to make them look bad with some terrable act.

Originally posted by kinda kurious
I meant the camera microphone.

Exactly. There's no way the camera mic. is going to pick up everything the representatives heard when they were 30-50 feet away from the camera.

If you guys really believe that the N-word was not used then it is YOU who are delusional. Just based on the anger being exhibited as well as the awful hate filled signs I have no doubt that the word was used and probably used repeatedly! And believe me, seeing as how most of you claiming it didnt happen have never been called a N-, if a crowd is yelling and someone yells that word it would surely stick out and be heard.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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I agree. Thanks so much for stating the unbiased viewpoint. We should all take a lesson!

This video neither proves nor disproves a thing.

Good point!! This is why the accusation should not hold water either. No evidence to support the claim has ever been presented and yet this story was front page for days with no evidence to support it.

The accuser claims to hear 15 different people hurl the expletive 15 different times while walking down the steps. Perhaps you would hear at least something on the video. No. It must have been whispered at close range in his ear.

Furthermore, given Carson's history as a cop I find it rather strange that he didn't stop in his tracks to face the music when all 15 expletives were hurled in his face as he claims. I would.

This video proves more do deflate the accusation than the absolute zero evidence presented by the accusers. Is it absolute? No. But it serves to raise the doubt regarding the legitimacy of the accusation and its questionable details.

As far as I am concerned this is just another case of Tawana Brawley syndrome. The burden of proof is on the accuser and they have nothing.

Originally posted by kinda kurious
I see an angry mob in your video. It would be impossible to hear racial epithets amidst the loud booing. I suspect you see what you want to see.

Here is a video which CLEARLY shows a Black lawmaker being spat on.

Yeah Huff Post is polar opposite to Breitbart, I get it.

The TPM represents many things, the least of which includes deceny.

Nice try Jibeho. Per usual, all sail and no rudder.

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So how could Carson hear 15 DIFFERENT people and how could he even count to 15 in that environment in so little time while walking ever so briskly.

So you have had your fun attacking the source and evidence. Why not attack the accuser who has no evidence whatsoever?

Jibing!! Hope that boom didn't knock you silly....

Originally posted by jibeho

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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I agree. Thanks so much for stating the unbiased viewpoint. We should all take a lesson!

This video neither proves nor disproves a thing.

Good point!! This is why the accusation should not hold water either. No evidence to support the claim has ever been presented and yet this story was front page for days with no evidence to support it.

The accuser claims to hear 15 different people hurl the expletive 15 different times while walking down the steps. Perhaps you would hear at least something on the video. No. It must have been whispered at close range in his ear.

Furthermore, given Carson's history as a cop I find it rather strange that he didn't stop in his tracks to face the music when all 15 expletives were hurled in his face as he claims. I would.

This video proves more do deflate the accusation than the absolute zero evidence presented by the accusers. Is it absolute? No. But it serves to raise the doubt regarding the legitimacy of the accusation and its questionable details.

As far as I am concerned this is just another case of Tawana Brawley syndrome. The burden of proof is on the accuser and they have nothing.

Wow. You're acting like he has a civil case pending. he simply relayed an anecdote regarding his walk from one building to another. He has no burden of proof. We're arguing over an anecdote.

Secondly, how would anyone in that situation benefit from stopping and facing off against an angry mob? It would be unsafe at best, and negligent at worst. I would suspect that everyone was advised to just keep walking and move across the street as quickly as possible. No one is going to win a debate against a crowd of people shouting at them; it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

Third, as has been mentioned, a microphone does a terrible job of picking out specific sounds from a cacophony. See above, using a cell phone at a concert, or even in a bar.

Fourth, this video does nothing to deflate the accusation, nor does it do anything to support it. Anything other than that conclusion is pure conjecture.

EDIT: The number of 'fifteen' being thrown around to bring into question the accuracy of his anecdote is nothing but a straw man. Obviously, he used that number as a rough estimate, this can be surmised by his tone & manner of speaking in the audio clip. I agree there is no way he could know exactly how many people said what. I don't think that was his intention.

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Is it just an innocent anecdote? Perhaps it was an accusation that was picked up and broadcast to millions in the court of public opinion. This story was used to vilify an entire legitimate group of honest people. When a story gets this much play their should be evidence to support it. Period! We call for this same evidence everyday here on ATS.

I love the angry mob description. Funny, I saw no one being restrained, I saw no objects being hurled. Hell, I barely saw any police in the clip.

When I think of an angry mob, I think of the Euro soccer riots of the 80's. I think of burning dumpsters in the streets of Pittsburgh.

Carson also claims that the Capitol police finally came to protect them. I don't see them in the video. Carson was also asked if he was afraid of the crowd and he replied "No, I'm a former cop".

Keep in mind that he alleges that all of this occurred on the steps of the Cannon building.

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Well in a court of law, what this representative states that someone else stated would be considered hearsay. So I guess the proof is in the pudding so to speak.

For example-

Everyone, just the other day BH said that I was right in everything I have postulated here at ATS.

See how that works?

Originally posted by jibeho
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Is it just an innocent anecdote? Perhaps it was an accusation that was picked up and broadcast to millions in the court of public opinion. This story was used to vilify an entire legitimate group of honest people. When a story gets this much play their should be evidence to support it. Period! We call for this same evidence everyday here on ATS.

I love the angry mob description. Funny, I saw no one being restrained, I saw no objects being hurled. Hell, I barely saw any police in the clip.

When I think of an angry mob, I think of the Euro soccer riots of the 80's. I think of burning dumpsters in the streets of Pittsburgh.

Carson also claims that the Capitol police finally came to protect them. I don't see them in the video. Carson was also asked if he was afraid of the crowd and he replied "No, I'm a former cop".

Keep in mind that he alleges that all of this occurred on the steps of the Cannon building.

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Hey, if an entire group of people were vilified because of what a few individuals may have done, that's on the public for buying into sensationalism. Besides, I think that anyone who has seen some of the signs or heard any interviews from Tea Party rallies doesn't need a story like this to see that some of the people are whack jobs.

You'll get that with any large group, especially one that prides itself on having some extreme viewpoints. You know as well as I do that there are some ignorant racists in the Tea Party. Statistically speaking, it's inevitable. That doesn't mean that all of them are, or even anything approaching the majority.

That's not the point, though. the point here is simply that this video does absolutely nothing to prove or disprove the anecdote about hurled racial epithets.