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Originally posted by Sean48
reply to post by SkepticOverlord
The INTERNET is the tool that scares the Hell out of People in Power.
It enables us to uncover their Lies , and SPREAD our findings to other
No longer are MSM Stories taken at Face Value, and People with a
conscience can act as Whistleblowers to a audience who won't belittle
them, but will listen, and research, and compare.
[edit on 26-4-2010 by Sean48]
I'm not trying to control free speech...I didn't see anywhere in their report that said ATS or any of the other forums should be shut down or censored. Just a report of what is going on...I still don't see why that is wrong. The only people I see trying to control free speech are you and others who think the ADL does not have the right to talk about ATS...ironic?
During the first few months of 2010, anti-government extremism has taken on a new level of intensity in the United States. The arrests of the Hutaree militia in Michigan illustrate this passion, which exists both within and outside the militia movement. Unfortunately, the Hutaree arrests may come to be seen not as the culmination, but rather as a first step in what may need to become a major national law enforcement operation.
In response, these anti-government extremists are saying, in many different forums, that they believe that violence may be, or clearly is, both necessary and justified. The extent of these sentiments, combined with their sometimes shocking virulence, should serve as a warning sign that the violent rhetoric of today may be followed up with violent actions in the future. 2
Violent Voices: Anti-Government Extremism Takes on New Intensity
Not quite sure who you're talking about here...
When you start talking about terrorists imposing their will on our nation,” explained “Doc Velocity” on the Above Top Secret forums on March 24, “you must realize that Congressional Democrats are the terrorists who in no way represent the MAJORITY of the American People.
Not quite sure who you're talking about here... You mean the MAJORITY of Americans who definitely oppose the bill, or the handful of politicians in Washington who FORCED this unconstitutional piece of legislation down the throats of the American people against their will?
When you start talking about terrorists imposing their will on our nation, you must realize that Congressional Democrats ARE the terrorists who in no way represent the MAJORITY of the American People.
America didn't ask for this sort of "change"... And it's highly unlikely that Obama would have even been elected if he had admitted, during his campaign, that "Change" included forcing every American to purchase health care under penalty of law. That, my liberal friend, is called UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
I wonder, was the estate of Salinger ever sued or tried for the words he wrote purportedly 'causing' violence?
Call me crazy...but that sounds like a direct threat of violence towards "DC".
DC is still not listening
I think I remember an old adage from long ago,
can't remember where I heard it or who said it,
maybe somebody here can help with the source
but it went something like this:
If a man won't change his ideals with words
then you change his mind with a bullet
maybe dialogue from a movie
"go tell the spartans" comes to mind but can't be sure
there are also some who post here that would just love
to throw a brick thru a window, or show up in DC and protest
but do not have the physical capabilities to do so. Some even sit
in wheelchairs or use crutches to get around and/or totally
disabled. Those folks rely solely on somebody else to do their
bidding for them. Sitting behind a screen and stating their
minds is the ONLY recourse those folks have. But they would
be in the fringe if they could. How else is their voice gonna
be heard??? Their mind still works even if their bodies do not.
So tread very lightly when even considering calling those type
folks cowards. For some, it was valor in war that put them in those
That clearly says to me that he would like to go throw some bricks through a window in DC.
This is just the start people, soon anyone that speaks out against the government will be put on some blacklist, not saying that's what this is, no, it's just the start.
The “Foreign Influence” criterion under the “Adjudicative Guidelines for Determining Eligibility for Access to Classified Information” affects many security clearance applicants, particularly those who are naturalized U.S. citizens or whose parents immigrated to the U.S. Others who marry (or reside with) a foreign national, who have foreign financial/business interests, or who maintain close and continuing contact with foreigners are also affected. There are two other related criteria—Foreign Preference and Outside Activities—that sometimes affect these same applicants.*
Foreign Influence has been a significant concern when considering people for security clearances. This has been due in part to changes in motivation of those who have chosen to spy against the U.S. A government study issued in March 2008 reported that since 1990 offenders who are naturalized citizens rose to 35%, those with relatives or close friends overseas increased to 58%, and those with foreign business or professional connections increased to 50%.
The Adjudicative Guidelines specify that “foreign contacts and interests may be a security concern if the individual has divided loyalties or foreign financial interests; may be manipulated or induced to help a foreign person, group, organization, or government in a way that is not in U.S. interests; or is vulnerable to pressure or coercion by any foreign interest.” The Adjudicative Guidelines further specify that “Adjudication . . . should consider the identity of the foreign country in which the foreign contact or financial interest is located, including but not limited to, such considerations as whether the foreign country is known to target United States citizens to obtain protected information and/or is associated with a risk of terrorism.” However the location of a person’s contacts or interest is not by itself a disqualifying condition.
EVALUATING FOREIGN INFLUENCE
The location, relationship, occupation, activities, and interests of the foreign person, as well as the recency, frequency and nature of the contact are all relevant. The security significance of these foreign contacts can be measure by the extent to which an applicant:
• Maintains contact with foreign friends, family members, or professional associates.
• Provides or receives material support to/from contacts outside the U.S.
• Returns to native country.
• Maintains property or financial interests (including inheritance rights) outside the U.S.
• Fails to report association with foreigners when required.
Foreign connections that “create a potential conflict of interest between the individual’s obligation to protect sensitive information and the individual’s desire to help a foreign person, group, government, or country by providing that information” are security concerns. Absent a potential for a conflict of interest, foreign connections must present a “heightened” risk of foreign influence to be a security concern. A heightened risk can be created either by the nature of the foreign contact and/or by the applicant’s perceived ability to resist foreign influence. In assessing an applicant’s ability to resist foreign influence adjudicators may consider the degree to which an applicant has assimilated American culture and displayed undivided loyalty to the United States by:
Senior Law Enforcement Personnel Attend ADL Anti-Terrorism Course
Posted: December 9, 2009
The sixteenth session of ADL's Advanced Training School (ATS) course on Extremist and Terrorist Threats was held December 6-8, 2009, in Washington, DC. ATS provides law enforcement professionals with information, resources and contacts to increase their capabilities in combating threats.
The sixteenth session of the course was attended by 33 senior law enforcement professions from federal, state and local agencies from across the country. The class included participants from the Federal Bureau of Investigation; Central Intelligence Agency Security Protective Service; Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives; Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department; Washington, DC Metropolitan Police Department; Denver Police Department; Atlanta Police Department; Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department; and Illinois State Police; among others.
Presentations were given by experts from the ADL, law enforcement, the military, academia, and the Israel Police.
Commander Jack DaLuz of the Aurora (CO) Police Department commented on the training saying: "This is overall the best, most intense, well organized specialized training I have ever attended…The information provided will be of great assistance in preparing our agency to deal with…hateful acts." And Lieutenant Bob Glover of the Washington, DC Metropolitan Police Department stated: "This is perhaps one of the most beneficial training programs that I've had the opportunity to participate in during my LE career…Truly amazing!!!"
Launched in January 2003, the Advanced Training School has trained over 580 senior level law enforcement personnel, representing more than 200 different agencies to date.
ADL Trains Over 2,000 Law Enforcement Officers in October
Posted: November 17, 2009
Experts with the Anti-Defamation League provided a series of trainings on extremism to over 2,000 law enforcement professionals nationwide during the month of October 2009. Experts presented information on hate crimes, right-wing extremism and the threat posed by those motivated by radical interpretations of Islam.
Law enforcement officers from Maryland, Virginia, Washington, D.C., Illinois, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware, New York, Connecticut, Texas, California, and Missouri, and representing state, local, and federal agencies that included the FBI, ATF, U.S. Park Police, and numerous regional JTTFs, corrections officers, offices of Attorney Generals, and military personnel, attended.
In one unique presentation, the ADL was invited by the President of the Connecticut Conference of Independent Colleges to present to campus security professionals, university communications and student services administrators and local law enforcement agencies on the campus of Wesleyan University in Middletown, Connecticut.
Approximately 40 security and law enforcement personnel from Trinity College, Sacred Heart University, Quinnipiac University, University of Bridgeport, University of Hartford, University of New Haven, Connecticut College, Yale University, St. Vincent's College, Albertus Magnus College, Wesleyan University, Briarwood College, Eastern Connecticut State University, Southern Connecticut State University, Tunxis Community College, and Manchester Community College attended.
The first portion of this program included an examination of best practices in reaction to the tragic shooting last semester at Wesleyan, in which a Jewish student was shot and killed on campus. The ADL expert then discussed the resurgence of right-wing extremist activity nationally, as well as regional extremist groups and trends.
Originally posted by ABNARTY
So the ADL went on line and found people who said they were upset with the way their government is being run. What a shocker! Nothing gets by these folks.
22. If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant.
Here Sun Tzu brings in a couple of parameters of control. First off he brings up emotional response to outside forces. Even if an opponent is not of an easy temper one could assume to irritate could be an effective weapon. I would say the continual lambasting of citizen groups by vilifying them in the media is a perfect example. Or by continually using LEO's and the courts to harass say members of the Tax Protest movement. It is ironic to say that a lot of ex IRS agents are members of this movement, for they know that the truth is stranger than what we perceive the Tax Code states.
He also brings into this component the part I have gone over earlier. Deception of your strength or weakness. I will just state that the government usually uses the feign of strength. For if the government was to allow the knowledge of such things as Jury Nullification be widely known, as sure as the coming sunset the citizens would realize they are the ones with the power, if they were to only use it.
Originally posted by 1SawSomeThings
BTW how in the he!! did ADL get involved in training FBI, ATF, DHS etc!!!!
October 1987 issue of the ADL Bulletin reported: "Some 200 law-enforcement officers ranging from FBI agents to chiefs of police, sheriffs, and attorneys general in the 13 Western states from California to Wyoming attended a special seminar on combatting terrorism, arranged by Betsy Rosenthal, ADL's Western Civil Rights area director, and Harvey B. Schechter, Western States area director.
The Los Angeles Police Academy was the scene of the all-day session. The keynote speakers were Arieh Ivtsan, Israel's Ambassador to Liberia and immediate past commissioner of the Israeli National Police Force, and Irwin Suall, director of ADL's Civil Rights Division Fact Finding Department.
Packets distributed to the attendees included ADL's reports on "Extremism Targets the Prisons" and "Propaganda of the Deed," the League's Security Handbook and a list of recent publications on extremism and extremist groups with an ADL-prepared synopsis. "By sponsoring such seminars the ADL has reinforced its image as a quasi-governmental agency, to which genuine law-enforcement agencies are justified in turning for advice and information. Perhaps most important, policemen and police agencies accustomed to thinking of their responsibility as combatting drug dealers, robbers, rapists, burglars, automobile thieves, murderers, and the like are informed that there is a new type of criminal about which they should be even more concerned: the "extremist."
The ADL, of course, defines the term for them and tells them who fits the definition.
What can government do about conspiracy theories? Among the things it can do, what should it do? We can readily imagine a series of possible responses.
(1) Government might ban conspiracy theorizing.
(2) Government might impose some kind of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories.
(3) Government might itself engage in counterspeech, marshaling arguments to discredit conspiracy theories.
(4) Government might formally hire credible private parties to engage in counterspeech.
(5) Government might engage in informal communication with such parties, encouraging them to help. Each instrument has a distinctive set of potential effects, or costs and benefits, and each will have a place under imaginable conditions.