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Russia is the official: take things to Space Organization; What happened to NASA?!!!

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posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 09:26 AM
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I was looking around Russia today and I saw the following. After Obama's NASA announcements and the closing down of the Shuttle Program-now relying on the Russian Space Program to be the ones we catch a ride to Space with. Well, seems like the Chinese are also using the Russians. As you will see, it has started and the big winner is Russia:

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Proton-M on its mission to carry US satellite to orbit

A Proton-M carrier rocket with the US television satellite EchoStar 14 onboard was launched from the Baikonur space center in Kazakhstan. The contract to launch the satellite was concluded between the Russian-US joint venture International Launch Services (ILS) and the US telecommunications company EchoStar. It was fourth time this year the Proton-M carrier rocket has headed beyond the atmosphere. EchoStar 14 is the heaviest mechanism the Proton-M type rocket has ever taken to the orbit. (short video of launch)
Source: english.ruvr.ru...

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Russia launches US telecommunications satellite


A Russian Proton-M booster launched from Baikonur has successfully put an American telecommunications satellite into a geosynchronous transfer orbit. The SES 1 craft weighs 26 hundred kilos. It is expected to spend 15 years providing telecom connections to subscribers in the contiguous United States and the Caribbean. "The launch was carried out without incidents, the spacecraft is expected to be orbited on Sunday at 6:36 Moscow time [03:36 GMT]," a Roscosmos spokesman was quoted as saying by RIA Novosti.
Source: english.ruvr.ru...

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US satellite detaches from “Proton-M”


The US telecommunications satellite Intelsat-16 and the Breeze-M booster block have successfully detached from the Proton-M carrier vehicle, which was launched from the Baikonur spaceport on February 12th. It was the first commercial launch from Baikonur this year, according to Alexander Vorobyov, head of the Roscosmos press service. The American Intelsat-16 satellite will be used by the Sky Mexico Company to transmit its news and entertainment programs to the USA, Brazil, Mexico and Venezuela, Vorobyov said.
Source: english.ruvr.ru...

And the kicker, as I see it;
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Proton-M with Chinese satellite blasts off from Baikonur


Russia’s Proton-M rocket blasted off the Baikonur space center on Tuesday to launch a Chinese communications satellite into orbit. The AsiaSat-5 probe with a service life of 15 years will provide communications services to countries in East and South Asia. The Proton booster has widely been used to orbit Russian military satellites and foreign space probes.
Source: english.ruvr.ru...


5 Ensuring their future:

Kazakhstan, Russia agree on Baikonur rental deal


The Kazakh parliament has approved an agreement with Russia on the joint use of the Baikonur space center. The document was signed in January 2004 in Astana, and ratified by Russia in summer of 2005. According to the head of Kazakhstan’s national space agency, Talgat Musabayev, the main goal is to boost the development of the Baikonur`s infrastructure. It is planned to build a space launch complex Baiterek to eventually replace the existing toxic Proton vehicles with the Angara-class rockets, which are more environmentally friendly. The first launch of an Angara rocket may be carried out in 2014. Russia has been renting Baikonur since 1994. The rent term extends until 2050.
Source: english.ruvr.ru...

I don't care what you say about the Russians, they got their stuff going on & making big USA and CHINA money in doing so; Far more so than the USA (in the public eye/media if any thing). Why isn't the US the one hauling everyones butt and their Sats for big money.

What the hell happened to NASA to let this come about. We should demand answers and/or an investigation into the Downfall of NASA and USA Space Future:




posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 09:47 AM
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NASA are too busy militarising space at the minute. I can see it now USA takes care of the military up there and russia will take care of the logistics....wonder what china's role will be?

Forgot to mention id flagged this one.


[edit on 26/4/2010 by Catch_a_Fire]



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 09:55 AM
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Maybe they need the money used for these programs to spend it building something else. Something TBTB feel deserves more attention. Or maybe the U.S. has lost its way and is losing against its competitors. Either way it's hard to stay positive with regard to the future of the U.S. Nice thread.



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 10:46 AM
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You're right in saying that it is hard to be positive about the whole thing.

We should have a NASA military/gov't and NASA private-for profit.

No reason at all the US shouldn't be doing all of the public project-for profits etc. Could pay for the NASA Military/Space arm easily.



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 03:43 PM
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In case you missed it. This is a good one. I hope you agree.

One can see the Russia is no one to be messing around with when it comes to Space-well getting things up there anyway.



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 04:01 PM
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I think the X-37B is the plan to follow the Shuttle... Probably with civilian and military versions...



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 06:20 PM
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Correct. It went up on April 23, 2010:

A top secret space plane developed by the US military has blasted off from Cape Canaveral on its maiden voyage. Billed as a small shuttle, the unmanned X-37B heralds the next generation of space exploration. It will be the first craft to carry out an autonomous re-entry in the history of the US programme. But its mission - and its cost - remain shrouded in secrecy. The Air Force said the launch was a success but would give no further details. However, experts have said the spacecraft was intended to speed up development of combat-support systems and weapons systems. There have already been accusations that the programme could lead to the 'weaponisation' of space.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by Catch_a_Fire
NASA are too busy militarising space at the minute. I can see it now USA takes care of the military up there and russia will take care of the logistics....wonder what china's role will be?

Forgot to mention id flagged this one.


[edit on 26/4/2010 by Catch_a_Fire]


Nice User Name ....
Russia has allways been in the lead as far as intelligent survlience in fact we made deals with them just to have information from thier scientists thats no big secret its all the dark side of the moon is my point of view
China's sitting back ingolfing all the inforamtion also they will be at the top also unless the USA is really where I think they are its all a game lol



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 03:34 PM
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What happened to NASA?!!!

NASA dried up on the vine... because they would not attempt to develop true anti-gravity lift, and hyperspace drive. No bold visions = no bold funding.



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by Larryman
What happened to NASA?!!!

NASA dried up on the vine... because they would not attempt to develop true anti-gravity lift, and hyperspace drive. No bold visions = no bold funding.



Yeah and I find it quite odd and wonder if Rodenberry was a prophet, but didn't NASA was renamed to something else and just became a research and development division of the Federation? I see this happening too NASA since all they care about is research and development.



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 04:49 PM
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What happened was the robotics guys won the argument at NASA back in the eighties: "farther, faster, further, CHEAPER." They argued at the time manned space travel was a waste of money and focussed too much attention on hero-astronauts instead of ground based science and scientists, never mind that most astronauts were scientists, too, as well as military. "Sightseers", "grandstanding space tourists", "waste of money and resources" and other not-so-kind appellations were laid on astronauts.

While I appreciate what robotics has accomplished and where it's gone, those oh-so-intelligent dummies forgot that most people don't get as emotionally attached to a robot as the people who build it do, especially when said robot is a bunch of hardware bolted together floating in space. People do get emotionally involved with other humans doing exceedingly dangerous things on the far frontiers, however. Without that emotional attachment, most of the public lost interest, and funding steadily decreased. So the robotics guys got their wish and lost their dream through thinly disguised jealousy working to cut people off from space in favor of machines. Now we have to hire the Russians to lift us to space.

Don't get me wrong, robots are a useful adjunct to human exploration. BUT, and that's a huge BUT, they do not and cannot replace human feet on lunar or martian ground or in space.

"Farther, faster, further, CHEAPER."

Bah.

Double bah.

Come to think of it, triple BAH!


jra

posted on May, 3 2010 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by anon72
Why isn't the US the one hauling everyones butt and their Sats for big money.


Because NASA is not able to make a profit, due to being a Government agency. These satellites that were launched were commercial satellites. The company that owns them simply went with the more affordable option available. Once the Falcon 9 becomes available and if its cost estimates come close to real world numbers, then it could end up getting a lot of business.

Proton M cost/kg: LEO $4,302 GTO $18,359
Falcon 9 cost/kg: LEO $3,273 GTO $7,500

I wouldn't be surprised if the F9 costs go up a bit, but they'll probably remain fairly similar in cost.



posted on May, 3 2010 @ 10:34 PM
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What the hell happened to NASA to let this come about. We should demand answers and/or an investigation into the Downfall of NASA and USA Space Future:

You're pointing at the wrong culprit. NASA isn't the problem. Obama canceled most of the funding for NASA, because he is more interested in his socialist policies, and taking over just about everything that made this country strong.
blogs.discovermagazine.com...

The Obama administration’s new budget may come in at a hulking $3.8 trillion, but one thing it doesn’t include is continued funding for the Constellation program. The program, which was intended to continue the work of the aging space shuttles, will get the ax if Congress approves the President’s plan. This also means that NASA would abandon its goal of returning to the moon by 2020. Obama’s budget ends work on the shuttle follow-on vehicle, known as Orion, as well as a pair of rockets developed to fly astronauts to the space station, the moon and other destinations in the solar system. “We are proposing canceling the program, not delaying it,” Peter Orszag, director of the Office of Management and Budget, told reporters


This is just one, in a series of moves, that Obama has made to weaken the US, in hopes of making "friends" with a list of fellow travelers, such as Old Europe. Of course, he hasn't learned that no matter what he does, that will never happen.

Obama has done more to destroy what has taken over 200 years to build- our strength and pride.


jra

posted on May, 4 2010 @ 12:05 AM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Obama canceled most of the funding for NASA


Obama wants to increase NASA's budget. He only wants to cancel the Constellation program.

[edit on 4-5-2010 by jra]



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 10:41 PM
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This thread is about who takes the astronauts to the ISS, and WHY NASA is not involved. OBAMA has said that his plan is to rely on private companies to do that!


The president killed President George W. Bush's moon mission, called Constellation, as being unsustainable. In a major shift, the Obama space plan relies on private companies to fly to the space station.


www.foxnews.com...


jra

posted on May, 4 2010 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
This thread is about who takes the astronauts to the ISS, and WHY NASA is not involved.


I thought it was about private companies using Russian rockets to get there commercial satellites to orbit. There was no previous mentioning of the ISS.

It should also be noted that International Launch Services (ILS) is a joint US-Russian company. It's mentioned in the OP, but I don't know if anyone noticed. There website is here.

But yes, Obama wants to let the private companies take over launching crew/cargo into orbit. Which I think could be a good thing. It could lead to cheaper access to space.

EDIT: It should also be noted that Lockheed Martin was apart of ILS until 2006 and that they also used the US Atlas series of rockets. NASA's New Horizons and MRO were launched on an Atlas V through ILS.

[edit on 4-5-2010 by jra]



posted on May, 5 2010 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
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This thread is about who takes the astronauts to the ISS, and WHY NASA is not involved. OBAMA has said that his plan is to rely on private companies to do that!


The president killed President George W. Bush's moon mission, called Constellation, as being unsustainable. In a major shift, the Obama space plan relies on private companies to fly to the space station.


www.foxnews.com...


Actually it was NASA who killed Bush's moon project. They diverted that money bush gave them into something else.




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