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im incredibly sick of christians slapping a satanic sticker on everything they dont agree with

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posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 09:17 PM

Originally posted by Northwarden

Lady Gaga is a brain-control illuminatii puppet

The Illuminati have less power than you think. In fact the names you know (of secret societies) have no "real" power in the grand scheme of things. It's the names that you don't know that hold the "true" power. The "true" Bloodlines.

posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 09:26 PM
Not on topic, but I accept the challenge. Please review the following; great site btw.

Brice Taylor is the pseudonym for Susan Ford, one of the highest level MK Ultra mind controlled victims to ever come forward and reveal her story. It took her nearly 13 years to recover the memories of the events that she reveals in her book, Thanks for The Memories (published in May 1999). Her memories began to return in sporadic fragments in1985, following a car accident that threw her through the windshield of her car after hitting a tree. It wasn't really an accident as much as a result of mind control programming which compelled her to commit suicide if she began to recover critical memories about her role as a top level NASA/CIA mind controlled 'asset' who was used as a sex slave and message (or drug) courier for every president from Kennedy to Clinton and was Henry Kissinger's personal secretary/human computer (file storage and retrieval) for over 19 years. Her 'owner/handler' was comedian Bob Hope and she was 'loaned out' to many famous and well known entertainment personalities in order to oblige them to be beholding to and manipulated by Hope and his Illuminati pals so they could be used as "worker bees' to help usher in the Luciferian, New World Order. Her book is probably the most revealing account to date of well known, national personalities in both politics and the entertainment industry who are involved in the handling, programming, control, manipulation, and abuse of Illuminati/government created human robots like Brice or other, well known celebrity/mind control victims such as Barbara Striesand and Barbara Mandrel. The book's Table of Contents alone will give you an idea of the incredible number of nationally known names that Brice had been involved with from childhood into adulthood as a mind controlled slave. In my opinion, Thanks for The Memories and the two co-authored Illuminati Formula books of Cisco Wheeler and Fritz Springmeir (see below) are the three most important and revealing books in print on the subject of Illuminati mind control and should be read by every concerned and thinking human being on this planet, for they reveal how the Illuminati mind control programs are accomplished and how they can be broken, allowing the victim to escape from its control.

Read the table of contents! :

posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 10:51 PM
Hello ATS,
This is my first post. Posting from blackberry so forgive me of any errors (big fingers vs. Little keys). Anyway I was wondering... Of those of you who do not believe in God do you believe in good and evil? What forces drive some people to perform evil acts?
I am a Protestant Christian ( justification by grace through FAITH and not through WORKS). When I do something wrong I ask for forgiveness. But how do I know an act is wrong? The power of conviction. That little voice or tugging at our heart that says " hmm maybe that was the wrong thing to say" or " maybe I should not have done that". As a Christian it is not my place to judge one person or another. But at times I do and know that it is the wrong thing to do. No one is perfect. If a Christian tells you that they do not sin then they are lieing which is a sin. With that said I would like to point out that somethings are of the devil and we as sinners are drawn to these things. We may try to justify our actions but I believe most believers and non believers know when something is bad for us.
Think of sin as adult candy. We know dad told us that we could not have it but it taste so good. Just one little bite couldn't hurt, right? Wrong. With that one bite we disobeyed dad. If we feel guilty enough we might admit what we did. Or we will keep it to ourselves which makes it easier to disobey dad the next time. Part of the enjoyment is getting away with it. Or at least believing we are getting away with it until you get a stomach ache from all the candy anyway.
Sin is tempting and we as people will go to extraordinary means to justify it so that we may continue doing it.
Lol got off track (sorry for rambling). I think what I was trying to ask is, what make an action good or bad and how do we as humans know the difference?

posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 11:02 PM

justification by grace through FAITH and not through WORKS

Our justification requires both my friend! I would welcome the discussion aside from this thread though. Too much animosity against us of a particular "faith", which apparantly brands us as "zealots" or "fundamentalists" which apparantly means more than "enthusiastic" but is actually a hate-label in which we are no longer human but take on the qualities of an "aversion" in terms of thinking intellectually anyway whatsoever! It's actually kind of amusing, but mostly frustrating

[edit on 26-4-2010 by Northwarden]

posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 11:04 PM
Because in this dangerous world of non-christians it is hard to find a good baby sitter
*WARNING MAY HAVE BAD WORDS AND BLOOD* but keep in mind it is youtube so i could not be that bad.

posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 11:14 PM
A far more educational watch on ... Nihilism!

posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 11:59 PM
If it leads people astray or away from God/Christ, then they are going in the opposite direction of Christ.....

The opposite of Christ ? Anti-Christ = Satan, beast etc.

There are indeed metal bands who hold firm that they are satanists, then there are some who just use it as a gimmick to sell. Unfortunately, they will all be grouped together, including the whole genre.

I recall Iron Maiden getting labled back in the 80's as the devils music etc. When they released "The Numer of The Beast", there were even album burning masses in the bible belt.

On the filp side.........

Pop culture is destroying societies morals. It is creating wanna be gangsta's and thugs... and turning the girls into ho's. Just watch any vid, the girls all dress like hookers and grind their azzes, the dirtier the better.
The guys all have bling, and making gun gestures promoting violence and greed.

then you have hollywood, the likes of paris's and pams doing home porn, and then the lohans and the spears's coming unglued and over drugged.
Even that chick from disneys highschool musical, having nude pics floating around on the net.

and still there is the athletes, the greed, the drugs etc.
Not to mention wall street, and their greed.

These are the role models our kids are learning to emulate. They all have no morals and promote sin and debauchery.

Our society is going to hell.

posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 12:09 AM
justification by grace through FAITH and not through WORKS
Our justification requires both my friend!

I would love to discuss this futher with you. New to this site so I don't know my way around very well as of yet. I also do not believe I can create a new thread until I reach twenty post. Hope I receive an answer to my previous query about good and evil (right and wrong) from a non believer. This is very interesting to me.

posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 12:11 AM
reply to post by Quadrivium

im having this discussion here at the end. come join

posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 12:37 AM
For many [most] religious converts it is a short cut to good/superior emotions & that nice insular sense of coherence.

It easily becomes a socially acceptable addiction.

Thinking takes energy.
Most them have already cashed that in. Jesus/God/Bible/Torah/Qur'an has already thought for them, just like instant coffee, whoopee!

So their thoughtless reflex,

Part of their 'programming'? -> 'Christian/Muslim/Jewish/Whatever'

Not part of their 'programming'? -> 'Satanic'

I am sure they are not all that idiotic, but the bulk of religious thinking is.

I sometimes think the Church of England, where they have debates about what is truly the most ethical behavior/choices is one of the few times when organized religion even shows a glimmer of intellect & brain power.

Religious beliefs are not generally for the 'brain heavy'.

posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 12:45 AM

Originally posted by slank[/i
Thinking takes energy.
Most them have already cashed that in. Jesus/God/Bible/Torah/Qur'an has already thought for them, just like instant coffee, whoopee!

Hey some places don't even mince words.

Think about it.

- Lee

posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 01:03 AM
Religious beliefs are not generally for the 'brain heavy'.

Hmm I must firmly disagree. I have been told before that anyone who believes in God is weak minded. This sounds like what you are currently claiming. Take it from someone who has walked both paths... The straight and narrow path is much harder to adhere to. Does it take a weaker mind or a stronger mind not to give into lust of the world. There are many things that I know are wrong and could easily give into the "wants". If I were weaker I would.
No my friend I think you have it a little backwards. It is the weaker that can not refuse, that can not tell themselves "no". These people take the easy way out and can not see the forest for the trees so to speak.

posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 01:19 AM
Christ on a cracker!!
Dont any xtians look at all the pages on my profile!! I will be labeled satanic..oh no!! sick to death of religious threads on ATS, PERIOD!

posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 02:31 AM

Originally posted by Yummy Freelunch
Christ on a cracker!!
Dont any xtians look at all the pages on my profile!! I will be labeled satanic..oh no!! sick to death of religious threads on ATS, PERIOD!

Then why are you commenting in this forum?

I can't stand a number of topics on ATS and I normally stay out of the forums discussing them. I don't really feel the need to bash John Titor and 2012.

posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 03:17 AM
reply to post by Northwarden

hmm interesting story however i doubt itd true, because if it were her story would not be published dont you think?
you know a little "chit chat" with the government man, and the old "we will kill all your loved ones" routine

posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 03:30 AM
reply to post by Quadrivium

now THAT is a good discussion question
what is the difference between right and wrong
i could say whatever feels good is right but thats hedonism/epicurism
i could say whatever a book says but thats religion
or i could say its something you find out for yourself but then i would be a herectic
i could say whatever society deems right and wrong

all over the world different cultures have their own sense of right and wrong
maybe i can explain things that are wrong with the basic emotions that go with it
killing someone, it effects more than one person
if you kill a man his loved ones will grieve, death is registered to us as a great loss

stealing if your stolen from its frustrating and that is also a loss but in the physichal sense

adultrey, if you sleep with another guys wife that shatters his trust for her, he is very attached to her and there is a loss

cursing however (swear words) is just unpleasant thats all i can really say about that

killing animals for sport is wrong because you are wasting food, which could easily have fed someone else yorur essentially taking food out of someones mouth, another loss

if you commit suicide you leave all your loved ones to grieve, another loss

do you understand now? you dont have to be religious to be moral

i align with the herectic comment and whatever society deems right and wrong though i may dissagree with some of it

posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 03:31 AM
reply to post by lee anoma

ive seen that picture alot lately
its worst than the get a brain morans protester pic lol

posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 03:34 AM
reply to post by Quadrivium

but what makes lust bad?

posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 03:36 AM
reply to post by ashanu90

correct me if im wrong but are you saying that since so many people worship satan hes real? how does this apply to the wiccan gods or the ancient greeks and vikings?


See I said, what I said, exactly the way I said it, for a reason. So you could ponder exactly that. In other words , I'm not cop'in to noth'in.

As for the ancient's I'm not sure but everything is connected.

all in all a good thread to stir some crap up.

[edit on 27-4-2010 by randyvs]

posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 08:41 AM
reply to post by ashanu90

Lust may have been the wrong word per say. What was meant was that our "wants" may not always be the best thing for us. It takes a strong person to deny themselves. If it were not so then there would be no addiction, no crime, no greed and no lust in this world. We were given free choice. We each must make the decisions that will effect our ultimate out come.
As far as your post goes about the right and wrong of things I must disagree. I think it goes much deeper than that. Even toddlers know when they are doing wrong. They have not lived long enough to experience all of the things you listed. There are basic wrongs and rights that we as man understand from the beginning of our lives. History shows that all civilizations know/knew right from wrong. As far back as written history goes we have stories of heros and villains. Good deeds as well as bad. If not for these feelings we would probably have destroyed ourselves long ago. So where do the feelings derive from? I believe they are the guide post that lead us to life eternal. Is there a chance that I am wrong? Perhaps, but I believe still, and if I am right I have lost nothing of importance but have gained much indeed.
Free will, He gives us the choice. Live as you will, do as you want or follow Him the choice is yours and yours alone.
I think I may have wandered off the topic again. My apologies.

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