Doing away with the department of education

Good day ATS, I was watching Glenn Becks show on fox the other day, and the particular subject was the public schooling. He proposed we do away with the department of education. It would save money and besides that parents should decide whats best for their children, not the government!

And I agree with him!

Besides Private Schools are more academically challenging then public schools.

You don't need a lot of money to learn, only the desire to learn!

The department of education spends roughly 103 billion dollars a year

In 1960 They only spent 12 billion dollars a year! And the average test scores were higher then than they are now!

So I propose we do away with the department of education.

Example #1: Abraham taught himself to read. He taught himself to be a lawyer.
Example #2:Thomas Edison! you know, the guy who invented the light bulb. Was home schooled, his mom took charge of his education.www.theadvocates.org...
Example #3:All these people! www.homeschoolacademy.com...

My opinion is that education should be in the hands of the parents instead of the government. whether it be private schooling, or home schooling. I think we should do away with public schooling. Besides why would I want to pay taxes for another childes education when I could be spending it on my own childes?

What do you guys think? Questions are more than welcome and I hope to have a lot of discussions with you guys.

By the way: check this out!
www.ontheissues.org...

ps: didn't know where else to put this thread, mods can put it were it needs to be if it is out of place.

I have an alternate idea

why dont we take 50% of that military budget
to fund education !!!!

Originally posted by boondock-saint
I have an alternate idea

why dont we take 50% of that military budget
to fund education !!!!

i'm all for cutting down our military budget and investing it into homeland security where it belongs instead of getting into foreign affairs. Our military should be used to defend america. And that doesn't include getting into this mess with Iraq.

reply to post by boondock-saint


Yes, throwing money at things always solves problems, NOT.

Charter schools get less money per child and get better grades comparatively to public schools. So, address the issue of public vs private and the inherent problem of government problematic component.

Most of us believe the MIC has to be stopped.

edit to add-How are the military and the schools related? Oh, they are run by a draconian government. That is a HUGE part of the problem.

I do not think we need more teachers getting paid to sit in a rubber room because the governmental unions will not let frelling wacked teachers be fired.

Go Government!

[edit on 4/25/2010 by endisnighe]

I hope your joking about the draconian thing.

reply to post by XxRagingxPandaxX


You do not think our government is draconian?

Definition of draconian-

Exceedingly harsh; very severe: a draconian legal code; draconian budget cuts.

Yes, I do believe the US government can be considered draconian. Maybe I should have used a better descriptor like all encompassing or all intrusive or all controlling or JUST ALL.

How about people who are working ft jobs to support children (from relationships which have been torn about by a morally blasted society in all likelihood) and have to raise children, or families that choose to work two jobs? Home-schooling isn't an option for everyone. If home-schooling is undertaken, it certainly should include a tax cut. But with 300,000 school teachers in the US facing potential layoffs next year, it is a dawning reality that Americans may have to consider their childrens education as their own responsibility, and re-educate themselves ahead of the task.

This was a short, recent, and thoughtful thread on the matter.

US warns of "education catastrophe" as up to 300,000 teachers set to lose jobs - Predator0187
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Northwarden


Ya that is definitely a reality, but at the same time what about private schooling for the parents working all the time? Also like I said you don't have to have a lot of money to educate your self, only the desire. Look up all the rags to riches stories out there. They are really fun to read about. But at the same time good point you made

Glenn Beck doing more damage to peoples mind.

Can't you see the NWO doesn't want any educated people. If the elite could they'd go back to slave days where it was illegal to learn how to read.

How do these people keep falling for this rhetoric forever.

The TPTB never wanna spend a dime on anything to help people. Be t social programs, education or healthcare. For the people is always communism and socialism. They steal all our money spend it on war, black ops,, increased security and propaganda. Convince people that all this is keeping us safe.

Quit buying that rotten trash and wake up.

Our money should go to help us. The Education system is a pittance compared to the war budget and umpteen bank bailouts.

Yet somehow your convinced that we should abollish one of the few actually beneficial government entities we have, astonishing.

KRS had it Right..

"Government attack one was brain wash, government attack two was yes brain rinse"

I was watching Glenn Becks show on fox the other day

There was your first mistake

It would save money and besides that parents should decide whats best for their children, not the government!

What I have decided is best for my children is to go to a school the doesn't charge me $300 a month in tuition. The Mrs. and I both work full time so home schooling is out. (would be nice if everyone made enough money to keep a parent home, wouldn't it?)

Besides Private Schools are more academically challenging then public schools.

Which is another reason rich kids get better education, perpetuating a line of wealthy kids turning into wealthy adults, and poor kids turning into poor adults.

The department of education spends roughly 103 billion dollars a year

For the 2010 fiscal year, the president's base budget of the Department of Defense rose to $533.8 billion. Adding spending on "overseas contingency operations" brings the sum to $663.8 billion.

In 1960 They only spent 12 billion dollars a year! And the average test scores were higher then than they are now!

Is that the fault of the Department of Education?

So I propose we do away with the department of education.

That way only the wealthy kids will get educated, leaving the poorer kids to stay dumb and never amount to anything. Public education was established to give all kids a right to an education. Maybe not the best, but some education. Did you go to public school?

My opinion is that education should be in the hands of the parents instead of the government. whether it be private schooling, or home schooling.

When two parents work, how do propose these two parents handle the 7 hours of teaching needed everyday? Oh, yea, private school for everybody. "Sorry, kids. I had to pay for your school tuition, so we are all eating Mac and Cheese for the next month."

I think we should do away with public schooling. Besides why would I want to pay taxes for another childes education when I could be spending it on my own childes?

Childes? Now I know you went to public school. They did a bang up job teaching you how to spell. Kind of reinforces your argument though

Why would you want to pay for some other kids education? Classic. I wish there was a way for people who think that way to just keep there precious tax money, withdraw from society, and be banned from public roads, schools, parks, garbage collection, police protection, fire protection, FDA protection, court appointed attorneys, public utilities, and see just how great it would be. Do you really want to live like Davy Crockett? Then go. Get off the public radar, go educate your kids yourself, there really is nothing stopping you.

reply to post by boondock-saint


Do that, and do away with unions in education and there may be a chance to save the education system we have, which should be the best on the planet.

If children are our future as a nation, and what is currently being produced in public education is a fair measure... We are screwed!

Originally posted by 12GaugePermissionSlip

I was watching Glenn Becks show on fox the other day

There was your first mistake

It would save money and besides that parents should decide whats best for their children, not the government!

What I have decided is best for my children is to go to a school the doesn't charge me $300 a month in tuition. The Mrs. and I both work full time so home schooling is out. (would be nice if everyone made enough money to keep a parent home, wouldn't it?)

Besides Private Schools are more academically challenging then public schools.

Which is another reason rich kids get better education, perpetuating a line of wealthy kids turning into wealthy adults, and poor kids turning into poor adults.

The department of education spends roughly 103 billion dollars a year

For the 2010 fiscal year, the president's base budget of the Department of Defense rose to $533.8 billion. Adding spending on "overseas contingency operations" brings the sum to $663.8 billion.

In 1960 They only spent 12 billion dollars a year! And the average test scores were higher then than they are now!

Is that the fault of the Department of Education?

So I propose we do away with the department of education.

That way only the wealthy kids will get educated, leaving the poorer kids to stay dumb and never amount to anything. Public education was established to give all kids a right to an education. Maybe not the best, but some education. Did you go to public school?

My opinion is that education should be in the hands of the parents instead of the government. whether it be private schooling, or home schooling.

When two parents work, how do propose these two parents handle the 7 hours of teaching needed everyday? Oh, yea, private school for everybody. "Sorry, kids. I had to pay for your school tuition, so we are all eating Mac and Cheese for the next month."

I think we should do away with public schooling. Besides why would I want to pay taxes for another childes education when I could be spending it on my own childes?

Childes? Now I know you went to public school. They did a bang up job teaching you how to spell. Kind of reinforces your argument though

Why would you want to pay for some other kids education? Classic. I wish there was a way for people who think that way to just keep there precious tax money, withdraw from society, and be banned from public roads, schools, parks, garbage collection, police protection, fire protection, FDA protection, court appointed attorneys, public utilities, and see just how great it would be. Do you really want to live like Davy Crockett? Then go. Get off the public radar, go educate your kids yourself, there really is nothing stopping you.

ouch! that kinda stung lol, first of all i'm a libertarian, and i'm also against the war. Second, you mentioned you didn't want to spend 300 dollars a month in tuition which is understandable but at the same time your paying for a better education for your child so are you sure your free public school is best for your child? Third Like I mentioned in the thread just because your poor doesn't mean you'll grow up to be poor, through hard work, good choices, and the desire to learn you can grow up to be rich too, the social status your born into doesn't have to be the social status you'll stay in. Fourth, no it is not their fault per say but I was proving a point in how ineffective they are. Fifth, yes I do go to a public school, i'm 15 years old, but I have a friend in a public school and their academics is so much harder. Sixth, kids who are home schooled often get their teachings over much faster than 7 hours. And lastly i'm talking about education in this thread not other public services such as roads, those are necessary to pay taxes on.

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[edit on 25-4-2010 by XxRagingxPandaxX]

Originally posted by ISHAMAGI
Glenn Beck doing more damage to peoples mind.

Can't you see the NWO doesn't want any educated people. If the elite could they'd go back to slave days where it was illegal to learn how to read.

How do these people keep falling for this rhetoric forever.

The TPTB never wanna spend a dime on anything to help people. Be t social programs, education or healthcare. For the people is always communism and socialism. They steal all our money spend it on war, black ops,, increased security and propaganda. Convince people that all this is keeping us safe.



Quit buying that rotten trash and wake up.

Our money should go to help us. The Education system is a pittance compared to the war budget and umpteen bank bailouts.

Yet somehow your convinced that we should abollish one of the few actually beneficial government entities we have, astonishing.

KRS had it Right..

"Government attack one was brain wash, government attack two was yes brain rinse"

First of all i'm libertarian and my opinions differ from Glenn Beck's in a lot of ways. Second what in the world is you deal man calm down. Third i'm against the war too. Fourth i'm against the bank bailouts too. Fifth, i like the saying "you can give a man a fish and feed him once, or you can teach a man how to fish and feed him for a lifetime." So it's not they don't want to help them, they just want to teach them to help themselves, and not become dependant off the government like some people on welfare are.

That all children should be given a free education to highschool is within the authority of the congress to make law. It would then be up to the states to decide how and with what funds should be allocated to comply with the federal law.
on an aside, Not every child is a college candidate, college should return to what it was meant to be. A place for advanced study by our best and brightest. a college degree use to be a symbol to any employer showing aptitude and knowledge in their areas of study. Now days we give out masters degrees like candy, and ba degrees to almost anyone who can get enough student loans to go four years.

reply to post by ISHAMAGI


Your entire post makes no sense. Removing the Dept of Education would change almost nothing in education as they set little in regard to curriculum and pay for a tiny, yes TINY, portion of educational costs.

So, what the heck are you talking about?

I'm for removing the DOE. Why are you not? What do they do that the State and localities are unable to do for themselves?

Doing away with the Department of Education. It will never happen

because this is the way the government indoctrinates our children to

become obamacrates using the D.O.E. with it's curriculum made up by

the majority of liberals. ^Y^

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
reply to post by ISHAMAGI

 

Your entire post makes no sense. Removing the Dept of Education would change almost nothing in education as they set little in regard to curriculum and pay for a tiny, yes TINY, portion of educational costs.

So, what the heck are you talking about?

I'm for removing the DOE. Why are you not? What do they do that the State and localities are unable to do for themselves?

Exactly brother! The federal government should only do what the state can not. i'm right with you.

listen....what if the parents are not smart....then what?
Lets say the child is very intelligent ,but mom and dad cann't scew in a light bulb without asking directions.
And there is zero money for private school....then what?
Here is what I think would happen , we will end up in a case type system.Not that to some degree we are not already there.At least for now these children of the have nots have a chance....

[edit on 25-4-2010 by zbeliever]

Originally posted by zbeliever
listen....what if the parents are not smart....then what?
Lets say the child is very intelligent ,but mom and dad cann't scew in a light bulb without asking directions.
And there is zero money for private school....then what?
Here is what I think would happen , we will end up in a case type system.Not that to some degree we are not already there.At least for now these children of the have nots have a chance....

[edit on 25-4-2010 by zbeliever]

ya good point but at the same time couldn't they look into charitable organizations such as churches?