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posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 03:51 PM
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It allways amuses me when the Christians arrive here sprouting scripture from a book Rome wrote,the three main streams of Christianity are,the Catholics to the Vatican and the black jesuits,the Anglicans via the Queen of England to the Rothchilds and the religious right believe it or not via Reverend Moon to the Rockerfellers.Its owned lock stock and barrel by the powers that be and any fulfillment of the scriptures is via these agencies not God for whatever maleavalent purposes.


[edit on 2-8-2010 by anglodemonicmatrix]




posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 04:58 PM
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Was it that hard to answer a question without insulting my intelligence haha I thank you for legitmately looking at my question and realizing there are some parts that are true, I never meant to literally call you a false prophet as you so pointed out...it was just what the average reaction will be. Three things everyone demands in life money,proof,and a leader. Which by some people the bible represents all...God the leader, Scripture is proof, and money in the loose term of a reward for being good heaven. And I wont lie I am a Christian there are things you have said that have made sense and it actually explains the whole NWO complex without just throwing some names. If you are really to get this message out to the masses how do you suppose to bring it the masses...a thread is a thread that at most has been read by 10000 people, thats less than .0001 percent of the human population.



posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 05:37 PM
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Well in our case they are working on collapsing the state, that calls for immigration to tax social services to the point that social services can no longer be delivered.

This leads to rebellion and chaos. New management can then be brought in, as well as a new entity being incorporated.


They don't even try to hide it any more, from some of the things I have researched recently, it is mind boggling.



posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 06:23 PM
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Why would they? Whats to hide? Hide from who?

Most Americans are at home watching reality TV on their LCD television. What that little sawed off idiot, Snooki, is doing is far far more important than the destruction of our liberty.

Even if people did want to pay attention, the media that they pay attention to is filling them full of garbage (such as the aforementioned Snooki). It is all controlled by the same folks who control the CIA. Our "freedom" is a dog and pony show.



posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 06:27 PM
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You are preaching to the choir, Tex,




posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 07:30 PM
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Thanks Proto.

As always I appreciate your insight very much. You seem to have it all figured out.



posted on Aug, 3 2010 @ 11:11 AM
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You assume that everyone is capable of being leaderless, but im afraid thats not the case my friend,

i recently read an interesting book that did a study on the human species in relation to other animals about dominance.

what they found is that the similar systems of dominance are found in many animals and humans, its inherent into our social biological structure.

there is always someone who comes out as being the "Leader" and the rest follow, always!

its just the way we are as humans, its not even a conscious choice

some where meant to rule and others to follow, law of the jungle

some people believe that because we are "civilized" and no longer in the jungle, then these laws dont apply,

but the truth is that the jungle has just become more concrete (literally) and more complicated, and much more delusional.



posted on Aug, 6 2010 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Earth Day 2010, April 25th Today




The Roman Empire that never died, that has been manipulating us to conquer ourselves and our very own world for it.

Let's celebrate Earth Day by taking it back!



[edit on 25/4/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]


only just found this thread - excellent work PT...

it is the mother of all conspiracies - pretty much every other conspiracy originates (directly or not) from it!

we need to take our world back, now, as you said..

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posted on Aug, 6 2010 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by twentythreedom

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Earth Day 2010, April 25th Today




The Roman Empire that never died, that has been manipulating us to conquer ourselves and our very own world for it.

Let's celebrate Earth Day by taking it back!



[edit on 25/4/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



This is my contention and belief, that every major conspiracy ties into this the mother of them all, which is the missing and unexplained link in so many of them.

Glad to read you found the thread and time to read it all.

Getting the word out is the first important step in taking back our world.

Thanks my friend.
only just found this thread - excellent work PT...

it is the mother of all conspiracies - pretty much every other conspiracy originates (directly or not) from it!

we need to take our world back, now, as you said..



[edit on 6/8/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by denynothing
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If you are really to get this message out to the masses how do you suppose to bring it the masses...a thread is a thread that at most has been read by 10000 people, thats less than .0001 percent of the human population.


This would presume that in order for the masses to get the message, a significant portion of them would have to read Proto's primary text in this thread. History, however, has shown that ideas and the acceptance of those ideas can spread far beyond those that read the primary text from where those ideas originated.

For instance, in the case of Thoreau, while during his lifetime he gained a very small amount of notoriety for his writings, by and large few people read what he wrote while he was around. However, slowly but surely his ideas spread widely and became very influential not just by more people reading what he wrote but also by more people spreading the message contained in his writings to many more who maybe never ended up reading any of Thoreau's essays or books.



posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by tankthinker
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what they found is that the similar systems of dominance are found in many animals and humans, its inherent into our social biological structure.

there is always someone who comes out as being the "Leader" and the rest follow, always!



While I would agree that there is a natural tendency to for humans to fall into the leader/follower roles I would disagree with any premise that states that this tendency cannot be transcended. Additionally to state that humans should adhere to the leader/follower role playing system just because doing so has always happened in the past, makes the naturalistic fallacy whereby what is and has been the case is confused with what should be the case.

I believe that, at least in the case of adult humans, we can and should shed our leader/follower habit. It is, however, a very difficult habit to break, made all the more difficult by the central powers of Rome spreading the message that the leadership habit is not only good for you, it is essential for the sustenance of the very civilization we live in. No wonder so few people quit.

But maintaining the leader/follower habit is crucial to holding the Roman empire together. Where a hierarchy exists a 'chain of command' exists where the central authority can make one decision and then watch as that decision is carried out around the world in a system of logical switches where each individual down the chain dutifully flips their switch according to the emperor's wishes. All it takes is for one minion not to flip his switch and the chain is broken. Imagine the emperor's frustration!



posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by twentythreedom


it is the mother of all conspiracies

we need to take our world back, now, as you said..

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This thread has certainly changed my world view, I started off thinking it would be rubbish, far far from it, best one active on the board, possibly the only ever mammoth long high quality thread.

PT has more chance of changing my mind than most, that is earned respect.

What we need to do is research the patrician and noble families of west and east Rome and try to follow their fortunes through the years try and spot the winning bloodlines through history and work out who's in charge at the mo.

I believe a seat in Romes "pqarliament" was achieved when you could prove your wealth was beyond a certain amount, a loan from a patron was enough, it's prob the same now.

Historically Romes "downfall" can really be attributed to a succession of plagues, lead and some very bad Summers, the plagues mostly fell at very inopportune moments for Rome, I wondered if plague "blankets" were sent from the even older factions of the East.



posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 10:28 AM
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Thanks for posting my friend.

Even if it turned out that I was wrong, I believe this thread has an incredible value; especially for those of us living in the United States (many ATS members do) is that there truly are many parallels between the ancient Roman Empire and the modern day American Empire.

So just from an understanding the past better, allows us to understand the present better element is a very important and real one.

Where many people truly fail to understand the nature of the world we live in, is that they truly imagine nations are like minded groups of individuals, or a ethnic group that have banded together for their own prosperity and security to attain and maintain a unique lifestyle to that nation based on being like minded or their ethnic background.

Nothing could be further from the truth. States are really businesses and they spring into existence, exist and go out of business at times too, all based on the same business principles that any good business is run.

The State is in essence not just a farm, but a farm store, producing goods it acquires, selling and bartering them, and using those profits in part to pay for an infrastructure that allows the citizens of the state to feel there is an advantage and security in living in that state and actively supporting it.

Like any business, states have assets and liabilities. When the assets allow for the liabilities to be covered (schools, hospitals, civic centers, entertainment centers and charity assistance, all things that recycle income but don’t generate fresh materials and products and profits) then the state is profitable and humming along. When the assets don’t allow for those things to be covered, and profit margins are slim or the state is loosing money, then the state becomes a liability to it’s principal investors and owners, just like a business. In such a case just like a business it’s sometimes better to close up shop and shut down, or sell, or bring in new management.

That all depends what the principle owners and investors feel best serves them.

Rome like the United States is a multi-cultural state; it’s not formed or based on ethnic lines, but instead like-mindedness.

The Roman Empire fueled itself for a long time through conquest, raping other lands and people of their natural resources, wealth and labor as a means of funding the state.

In many ways the United States does the same.

Rome’s patricians took the bulk of that wealth and controlled the resources and the labor for their profit.

Our corporations do the same.

Rome used its military and economic might and dominant position to do this.

The United States does the same.

Rome relied on a constant flow of slaves being brought into the empire to offer its citizens cheaply priced goods and services.

The United States relies on a constant flow of immigrants willing to work for slave wages to do the same.

Rome lulled its citizens to sleep through excessive entertainments and luxuries and handouts to distract them from political events and how the politicians were managing the state.

The United States does the same.

It is my contention that when the cost of maintaining the state exceeded the profits that could be made from the state for the Patricians they simply collapsed the state to divest themselves of the people that had become the liability and the drain on their capital.

Yet because the Roman system has popped up in various forms in one nation after another, and vestiges of Rome still obviously survive through the Vatican, the Catholic Church, the Monarchs that were granted title by Rome some of which still rule their nations as active heads of government or figure heads of government still to this day, and it’s patrician bloodlines that also survived did Rome really cease to exist?

Let’s consider Taco Belle or any other franchise enterprise. They open stores in markets they feel that will perform, and they close stores in markets that are underperforming and become liabilities.

Though they might close a location, they don’t go out of business entirely, often while they are closing one underperforming store that’s become a liability they open two more, and sometimes acquire other chains, like Pizza Hutt and KFC that are all under the same corporate umbrella right now.

Pizza Hutt was there before Taco Belle, but Taco Belle’s parent corporation now owns it. It looks like a Pizza Hutt, smells like a Pizza Hutt, functions like a Pizza Hutt but it’s a Taco enterprise that owns and runs it.

So yes France looks like France, and England looks like England, and the United States looks like the United States, but do these entities actually own and run them selves?

How in fact could they when they are all hemorrhaging cash and for the most part are growing liabilities?

With the United States 13 Trillion dollars in debt and us being told that China a politically diametrically opposed state is loaning us the money to keep us afloat one has to wonder why a diametrically opposed entity would be funding us to stay afloat? Unless they aren’t diametrically opposed, and money is simply being taken out of the KFC operating account, to put into the Pizza Hutt operating account.

Why because the same parent corporation owns both, in this case that parent corporation is Rome.

Yet with such a staggering debt, a fire sale isn’t long in the offing.

So it is my contention like classic Rome, there is a real risk that the owners will allow it’s collapse because it is no longer a profitable business.

Or in this case merge it into a larger enterprise, a North American Union, or a one world government.

Ethnicity and religion largely shrouds the true nature of our nations and how they really operate them.

Yes America is made up of like minded people, but the truth is most of those people were trained from birth to be like minded through the educational system, to believe the same things, to espouse the same values, to desire the same things, and to above all take pride in those and believe them to be absolutely superior to any other nations way of life.

How real is this, often when immigrants both legal and illegal come to the United States the number one complaint by most Americans is that they have different cultural ways.

So in reality most people aren’t coming to America because they espouse ‘traditional American values’ taught and instilled by the state to those born here.

They are coming here for economic opportunities so they can have more money to enjoy their way of life within the confines of U.S. borders, where they can make that money.

In other words a business opportunity! Why does the government allow them to come, and companies hire them, because they will work cheaper and allow for more profit. In other words a business opportunity.
Rome is not a religion, as people have come to see it and know it through its front. Rome is a business. The United States Inc, is not a nation as people have been taught to believe and have pride in, it’s a business.

I believe it’s a Roman business, because Rome is so entwined with its business principles and governance, and so many more reasons that I and others have stated in this thread.

One thing is for sure, and that is the health and prosperity of our union in the United States is not very good, and worsening and decaying and that’s a trend that has really been going on for decades.

Seeing the writing on the wall, in my humble opinion gets easier to read, when you read the writing on those Roman walls that fell so long ago, under almost identical circumstances.

I am positive Rome is behind it all, but even if they aren’t, the lessons that can be learned through this thread regarding Rome are extremely important ones.

Thanks.


[edit on 7/8/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by QtheQ

Originally posted by denynothing
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If you are really to get this message out to the masses how do you suppose to bring it the masses...a thread is a thread that at most has been read by 10000 people, thats less than .0001 percent of the human population.


This would presume that in order for the masses to get the message, a significant portion of them would have to read Proto's primary text in this thread. History, however, has shown that ideas and the acceptance of those ideas can spread far beyond those that read the primary text from where those ideas originated.

For instance, in the case of Thoreau, while during his lifetime he gained a very small amount of notoriety for his writings, by and large few people read what he wrote while he was around. However, slowly but surely his ideas spread widely and became very influential not just by more people reading what he wrote but also by more people spreading the message contained in his writings to many more who maybe never ended up reading any of Thoreau's essays or books.



This is true, in very many ways. Those who change the world, typically start out as a lone voice crying in the wilderness.

A little less than two years ago, when I started posting snippets of my Rome theories on Zionist and New World Order, and Middle East Conflict, and secret society threads most people thought I was nuts. Many would laugh at me, yet I persisted. As time went on slowly one person here, another person there would take the time to read up on the things I told them to look into. Slowly others here on ATS began to investigate and as they did, more and more of them found what I was saying credible.

A few other members like HothnSnake, PhyberDragon and Hx13, had come to similar conclusions on their own, and they encouraged me to pursue it.

As time went on I noticed that no matter how ignored I was in a thread where I posted something on Rome there was always one star on the post no matter what.

That began to intrigue me, because there was never a comment or reply to my posts to go along with that one star, and after a while I began to think someone was following my posts on Rome from the shadows.

I was right and eventually they revealed themselves privately through a U2U claiming to be well placed within the Cabal. I was very skeptical of this at first, but the information they kept feeding me kept panning out when put to independent research. Sometimes I would ask Hx13 to help me with it, as he is a very studious and prodigious researcher. After a while as time went on and my relationship became a far more trusting one with this source.

I hijacked thread after thread I could promote my Rome theories on somehow. Eventually the ATS Subject Matter Expert began to applaud me, a few of the moderators compared me to a real renaissance man and found my theories extremely plausible, and so were more and more members.

Soon a sizable group of members began to ask me to lay it all out in one thread. My source inside the cabal too encouraged me to lay it out in one thread, even selecting the date and providing me with the art work to promote it.

As that momentum grew prior to the thread people no longer laughed at me or ignored my posts on Rome, they began to pick up more and more stars, more and more positive comments, more and more people willing to challenge themselves and look into it all, more and more staff members applauding my efforts.

I didn’t know what to expect when I published this thread. Yet I sure had a lot of encouragement to publish it.

I was extremely nervous how it might be received and when it took off within hours, making the front page where it stayed for it’s maximum 90 days I was thrilled.

Within days my source contacted me, and though I tend to think he was blowing smoke up my behind with his comment he said “My friend, on April 25th you passed into and changed the history of this world forevermore”.

Pretty heady stuff, but the truth is from the moment of my initial discovery and conclusion drawn from it, I have followed my instincts on it, dug deeper and further, further and deeper, to uncover the most I possibly could. I am still digging, because one day I truly do hope that April 25th 2010 was the day the world started to change.

The thread has travelled far, not just here on ATS dozens of sites around the world have picked it up, some with my permission, some giving me credit, and some laying claim to the work themselves, but the word has spread.

Today it stands as arguably one of the most significant and widely read threads to ever grace ATS and my Rome theories are something that hundreds of members have now begun to research themselves, and many have drawn the same or similar conclusions in the process.

Where it all might lead I do not know.

I do know one thing, if you want to change this world, you yourself have to try, and that’s precisely what I am doing, and I hope one day everyone will have the courage and desire to dare to do the same.

Thanks my friend.



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 11:38 AM
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Both Strong and Gore come from the Club of Rome clique

Globalists Race To Enforce Criminal Carbon Tax

www.prisonplanet.com...
Friday, August 6, 2010



Both Strong and Gore come from the Club of Rome clique, who in their 1991 Report, “The First Global Revolution” openly admitted how they were planning to exploit the contrived hoax of global warming in order to further their agenda.


The elite are still desperate to impose a consumption tax on Americans as part of the move towards a “post-industrial revolution” and the kind of nightmare “green economy” that has left Spain with a 20 per cent unemployment rate. In a so-called green economy, over 2.2 jobs are lost for every “green job” created.




posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 12:55 PM
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Proto,

i was wondering what your opinion on the what the bible says about the Roman Empire reemerging from Daniels revelation,

i mean ok yes the Romans influenced the bible heavily, but from all accounts i see they prophesize that this revived roman empire will fall and the powers of god will prevail.

this seems like kind of a mixed message to me and i dont feel i have the proper knowledge base or skills to interpret and give an opinion in a proper or sound manner.

therefore im asking if you would indulge me on this.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 01:17 PM
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Proto,

i was wondering what your opinion on the what the bible says about the Roman Empire reemerging from Daniels revelation,

i mean ok yes the Romans influenced the bible heavily, but from all accounts i see they prophesize that this revived roman empire will fall and the powers of god will prevail.

this seems like kind of a mixed message to me and i dont feel i have the proper knowledge base or skills to interpret and give an opinion in a proper or sound manner.

therefore im asking if you would indulge me on this.



First I think it’s important to understand that the Bible serves multiple purposes for the Powers that Be (Rome).

One is that it serves as a code. Because the Chapters and Verses are all numbered, and revised editions come and go it’s a perfect book to use as an encrypted cipher. Before there were ever encoded CD’s there was the Bible. It’s the perfect tool for secretly communicating things to real world, living people, as a result, without ever having to type out or say what is being conveyed once you supply the deciphering code and corresponding correct edition of the Bible to the person you wish to clandestinely communicate with.

Two is it serves as a source of esoteric wisdom for people who are inclined to separate the common sense wizened wheat from the religiously inspired dogmatic chaff.

Three is the prophecies are so loosely and vaguely worded they can be applied to almost any unusual event or circumstances by those who want to construe them that way.

You can find all kinds of threads on ATS like “Lebron James goes to Miami Heat, proof the Third Seal of the Apocalypse has been broken”.

Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, but most of the Bible’s vague prophecies lend themselves to people misconstruing them as a means to validate the religion and belief system.

In relation to that particular prophecy let us ask what is Rome? I contend Rome is something very different than most people envision it. Most people see Rome as the Vatican, and the Catholic Church.

Yes, the Vatican and Catholic Church will give way and fall to a new political system that is either absent religion or incorporates a new religion. Rome’s ambition of conquering the entire world and uniting it under a one world government is not for the sake of the Catholic Church, the Pope or Christianity, it’s for the sake of the control, posterity, security and power of the Roman Patricians.

Because the prophecies are so vaguely worded though, it leads to a wide range of speculation as what Rome is. Many people consider the United States to be the New Rome, and yes, the United States as a national and corporate entity too will fall to make room for a one world government.

It’s my own belief how these vague prophecies truly serve Rome is that the religious faithful will neither be overly alarmed or rebel as we get closer to the tumultuous events that will mark the heralding in of a one world government, but instead will rejoice in them, feeling that the moment when Jesus Christ returns is imminent.

Because they feel Jesus and an army of righteous angels, saints, and other motor cycle clubs will save them all, they will not be inclined to fight against or resist what ever entity appears to be driving events as all of this occurs.

That’s the real power in the prophecies in how they serve Rome.

That’s my take on it, thanks for asking.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
This is my contention and belief, that every major conspiracy ties into this the mother of them all, which is the missing and unexplained link in so many of them.

...it is the mother of all conspiracies - pretty much every other conspiracy originates (directly or not) from it!


Well done!

I can't help but wonder how long that took you to write?

I'm curious how you think your MOAC plays into my MOAC:
The AGI Manhattan Project
That's the draft ATS version. The enhanced version is here:
agimanhattanproject.com...

My guess is Immortalism would be a good place for you to start the tie-in.

I'm also curious your view on 'the Bible' in the context of if there is any validity (prophecy, etc) to be had. Like, if there were scores of prophecies that could only be understood in the modern technological era, stuff like that.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 06:02 PM
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Proto,

I'm wondering what you think of Prince Charles being the "Anti-Christ"?

Here's something that I found today that I think might lead to the road to Rome.

A book review...


PRINCE CHARLES: The Sustainable Prince

Learn how Prince Charles is the most important contemporary torchbearer for reviving the Roman Empire. He may be hearalding in the New World Order in a different way than most think. The combination of very powerful corporations in partnership with government provides a concept not considered before. While he has been portrayed as a daft, anti-hero type, the author believes this negative portrayal belies the political future for this heir to the oldest and most powerful throne in the world.


www.greaterthings.com...

So if Jesus Christ is Julius Caesar then who is anti - J.C.? They are one-in-the-same, correct?

Yet is it not reasonable that there be an anti-Roman Empire choice?

Surely one man represents a whole system, a Roman system that leads to a more ominous system if this holds true?



Thanks,

Toni








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posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 06:22 PM
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I think there is more speculation in regards to Prince William being the Anti-Christ than Prince Charles.

My own personal opinion is that we ‘may’ see an Anti-Christ but it won’t actually be the biblical Anti-Christ but someone from the Powers that Be playing that ‘role’.

For instance the Skull and Bones members are assigned biblical roles to play George Bush Sr.’s Skull and Bones Name is Magog. The mythical Northern Warlord from the bible.

I think Prince William would be a good candidate for the role, he will still be young and good looking when they cast him into it, and will have a lot of popular appeal through his mother, being royal, and doubtlessly having some encouraging things to say to people.

Much like Obama had a lot of encouraging things to say.

But as I have said, I don’t believe who ever they select to play the role of the Anti-Christ will have anything to do with the system that the religious inclined subscribe too, but will be just an actor playing on and to those beliefs.

Thanks for posting, interesting article.



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