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All Roads Lead to Rome

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posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 05:48 AM
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I think this post should be moved from the general conspiracies area to the fiction story writing area.

Yes, it's a good read. Entertaining yes. but there is no real conspiracy here. A lot of this guys post hinges on the so called facts I posted about in my questions above. The OP has failed to answer these questions, as well as a u2u I sent him asking him to reply to my post.

I feel that is because he made those things up and cannot answer. Poof. there goes his whole conspiracy. I am amazed at the flags, stars, and applause the OP gets from this post when none of those people bothered to do their homework to find out if this was all a fabrication. It seems like they all just believed everything the Op said and swallowed it whole.

[edit on 24-6-2010 by JohnPhoenix]




posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 05:59 AM
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Correct... I also think this whole theory is a collection of very loose facts tied together with baseless assumptions and a supposed inside source which we have no proof of. I'm not trashing the OP's intentions, but look into any one aspect of this conundrum and it has more holes than a pasta drainer. Too much assumptions, too many holes, too much reliance on one unknown source. It's amazing that a lot of people buy into it all on first read, not everyone of course, but a lot.

This would make for an amazing movie... Dan Brown should have a crack at it at least.



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
I think this post should be moved from the general conspiracies area to the fiction story writing area.

Yes, it's a good read. Entertaining yes. but there is no real conspiracy here. A lot of this guys post hinges on the so called facts I posted about in my questions above. The OP has failed to answer these questions, as well as a u2u I sent him asking him to reply to my post.

I feel that is because he made those things up and cannot answer. Poof. there goes his whole conspiracy. I am amazed at the flags, stars, and applause the OP gets from this post when none of those people bothered to do their homework to find out if this was all a fabrication. It seems like they all just believed everything the Op said and swallowed it whole.

[edit on 24-6-2010 by JohnPhoenix]


This is a conspiracy site isn't it? The conspiracy laid out is for your consideration. The questions you have may be something that you can investigate and then post your conclusions. Unless of course you don't want to investigate them.

The stars and flags are indicative of a well thought out and executed conspiracy theory. I don't believe anything is fabricated here and the answers to your questions can be found. I have questions as well, but I just don't know what it is I want to ask.

When I happen upon that question that I need answered, I'll investigate it and find the answers myself. This is a theory that has been presented on a conspiracy site. It's not something that is endorsed by conventional media. Take the theory or leave it. There is definitely a real conspiracy here.



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 02:38 PM
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looks to me proto is on vacation....after all he has a life! He spent valuable time answering 70+ pages of questions. ..and I'm sure if you take the time to read over them....u just may find your answer. I am excited for him to come back tho. ..but give him a break!



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 02:48 PM
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jackflap you have provided a lot of valuable insight to this thread and I thank u. Since I have read this...no matter WHERE I look...all roads DO lead to Rome.

I was listening to one of my fav bands and songs Cold Play...viva la vida and now have a total new outlook of the song. So far ..even though many think its Spanish, it is actually Latin..so. far I have found it to mean 'live life to the fullest' and the song is talking about the fall of Rome? ? that may not be right on target...but its def about the lies being revealed..and tptb being punished by sweeping the streets I use to ROAM. Ive always been able to find hidden meanings in songs...but couldnt believe this got past me....but then again I didn't realize consciously about Rome...



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 04:32 PM
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When I happen upon that question that I need answered, I'll investigate it and find the answers myself. This is a theory that has been presented on a conspiracy site. It's not something that is endorsed by conventional media. Take the theory or leave it. There is definitely a real conspiracy here.


Absolutely right jackflap, you have to be willing to do the research and find out for yourself, if you are truly interested in this topic that is what you do and not always rely on the opening poster to answer all the questions. I agree there is a real conspiracy here, in fact it's scary. Thanks for your post my friend.



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 06:00 PM
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Totally agreeable Aquarius1! I really believed these people are just too afriad to know the truth. Like a child finding out that Santa is not. real....it's pretty devistating. I have to admit it was kinda hard to accept that Jesus was not what I was raised to believe with a God fearing southern baptist family. ....UNTIL I read this. It was definitely my missing link...and I just 'got it'. especially with all the running around in circles I've been doing for years. No matter where I look the road leads back to Rome.
Now, I don't believe it to be scary....I kind of in a weird way find it funny. The reason why is because although they tricked us for thousands of years, I really believe the jokes on them in the end. Many are going to remain in the program, but that is their free will. The curtain has been pulled but they refuse to see the brick wall. .but rather continue to see the illusion painted for them. Its a war for souls, and light over takes dark. Its gonna be fine...the world isn't over...just many souls will remain in the game and stay enslaved. They wont ever know until they finally pull the curtain back to find Oz is just a puny old man scaring the mess out of them.

[edit on 24-6-2010 by freedombychoice]



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 06:08 PM
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also let me add I don't find the killings and what they have manipulated us to do to each other funny at all. I have taken full accountability for my role in this, have forgiven myself and now righting a wrong. This is my reality, and it is not over!

[edit on 24-6-2010 by freedombychoice]



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 07:02 PM
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We all have to find our own truth, sometimes it changes our whole paradigm, it truly does set us free, you know how in the back of your mind you think there is something wrong with this picture, we are all brought up to believe things are a certain way, it's called brain washing, but if you're anything like me you have always had questions, not always easy to find the answers or find the right venue to ask them but once you do there is no turning back, I don't believe that the truth can hurt you, what is difficult is what to do about it.



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 09:06 PM
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Absolutely! And just as my waking up came in steps by a higher force...so will our knowing what to do.... will too. Just getting the truth out there and help those along the way realize. ..'its ok'. I believe we have been placed here...possibly by our own selves...souls..and are here to help the needy/lost. Maybe what the Bible calls angels? (again keep us programmed so we wont remember this) All I know is as with the lies...nothing is coincidence...and definit ely a higher force at hand. This is my next step in my reality to understand. ..and I know I will because I'm out of the game. I keep saying me because I don't know ur reality...but I'm sure it mirrors mine. And btw ive been questioning things since I was 3 and I'm 32!!!

[edit on 24-6-2010 by freedombychoice]



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 03:54 AM
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Originally posted by jackflap

The conspiracy laid out is for your consideration. The questions you have may be something that you can investigate and then post your conclusions. Unless of course you don't want to investigate them.

The stars and flags are indicative of a well thought out and executed conspiracy theory.


But that's my point.. it's wordy, wrapped up all nice in a package but it's not a "well thought out and executed conspiracy theory" when the major crux of the idea easily falls apart under investigation.

You say, " The conspiracy laid out is for your consideration." O.k... so I have considered it (and investigated it). It's Rubbish.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

Originally posted by jackflap

The conspiracy laid out is for your consideration. The questions you have may be something that you can investigate and then post your conclusions. Unless of course you don't want to investigate them.

The stars and flags are indicative of a well thought out and executed conspiracy theory.


But that's my point.. it's wordy, wrapped up all nice in a package but it's not a "well thought out and executed conspiracy theory" when the major crux of the idea easily falls apart under investigation.

You say, " The conspiracy laid out is for your consideration." O.k... so I have considered it (and investigated it). It's Rubbish.


Really you have investigated this conspiracy? Please refer us to your notes, sources, and methodology. Also the budget you allowed for, time spent, and itinerary for the places you traveled too in making a determination in regards to a conspiracy that spans the globe and has been ongoing for thousands of years across scores of generations.

I would really love to see that.

What you have done is come into the tail end of a thread, to ask a hand full of questions asked dozens of times in the thread you obviously have not read, along with the conspiracy you obviously have not researched, to denounce it all, because it does not mirror the dogmas that you were indoctrinated with in your formative years.

You have also displayed a poor ability to do any even basic research as I guarantee you in your home or place of work there are a minimum of a half dozen things that point strongly to Rome that are all important control aspects used in regulating and moderating the population of this and other nations/states.

But since you are so sure, please tell us how you researched the situation with the U.S. Currency.

Please list for me everyone that attended the founding meeting at Jekyll Island, their names, and family history, history, titles, and partnerships.

Show us the thinking and methodology and research you used to determine Rome does not control our Banking system.

Show us how well you understand the ownership and hierarchy of the Federal Reserve that even Congressmen on the Financial Services Committees admit publicly to knowing little about, and too rarely ever getting a straight or full answer from a member of.

Explain to us further, why the United States Government felt it would be best for the Federal Reserve to be a private and not public institution, and how and why they felt the United States would be better served, even knowing that many of the major owners are foreigners, and foreign nationals, with strong ties to Rome including papal titles.

Show us how you arrived at this yet to be substantiated deduction. Name, names, dates, places, that support your obviously very hastily arrived at conclusions.

Don’t worry if it takes you some time to put it all together, that’s what the serious contributing members of ATS do, invest a lot of time, to bring the other members quality and substantial information.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by freedombychoice
also let me add I don't find the killings and what they have manipulated us to do to each other funny at all. I have taken full accountability for my role in this, have forgiven myself and now righting a wrong. This is my reality, and it is not over!

[edit on 24-6-2010 by freedombychoice]


The first big step is seeing and understanding and accepting how we all have been manipulated through false and incomplete information and a lack of quality choices that because we are never really told the whole truth and nothing but the truth, rob of us of the freedom to intelligently consent or abstain.

Once you tune in to the fact that the mass media, textbooks, politicians and Hollywood are all manipulating us in this fashion, it gets easier and easier to not just dismiss the propaganda but to start to do your own research in regards to current events to get a much clearer and accurate picture of the truth.

It is easier than ever with the Internet to get better and more complete answers, because it provides us the opportunity to communicate instantaneously over broad swaths of terrain across borders and cultures to ask ourselves the every day people like us, who live in these places, what is really going on.

We don’t really have to take the media or politicians word for things, we can reach out to people who live in the Gulf of Mexico or Iran and ask them what is really going on in their opinion, what their take and perspective on things is, what they are really seeing and hearing on the real streets and places where this is really going down.

That some people imagine there is no conspiracy when people like Cass Sunstein Obama’s information czar want to fill the Internet with official operatives pushing official stories, and even create penalties against those who don’t tout the official story should tell everyone something in regards to just how powerful and basic of an information gathering and communication tool the Internet is.

Do we really want to be dependent on the Government and it’s associated corporate media to be the sole provider of information that we are then asked to support life and death decisions already being made for us?

Can we really trust them? Does history display this is even wise?

Thanks for posting.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Really you have investigated this conspiracy? Please refer us to your notes, sources, and methodology.


Who are your sources? You've failed to list a single one in the OP... therefore what you are saying is mostly assumption. I know we've been through this, just pointing out the hypocrisy.

The theory has fundamental loopholes, specifically when it comes to history and other ideological exclusions which detract from the overall scope:

1. The disbelief in legit archaeological/historical records, by legit I mean unattached to the protagonist (Rome) of your theory.

2. The disbelief in the contest of power and the failure to understand that Rome was a continually evolving process and not a full blown manager of world affairs. It suffered, it struggled and there were competing powers who wielded power outside the jurisdictions of Rome 1000 years ago, and still do today.

Fundamentally, I believe these 2 points detract for the most part, the basic premise of the theory.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by freedombychoice
looks to me proto is on vacation....after all he has a life! He spent valuable time answering 70+ pages of questions. ..and I'm sure if you take the time to read over them....u just may find your answer. I am excited for him to come back tho. ..but give him a break!


Proto has been fully engaged recently pursuing some offline endeavors.

You are correct though in that within the 70 plus pages are just about every question and answer one could imagine in regards to this thread.

I am happy to consider and answer all things when time permits.

Whether a person studiously reads the whole thread, or just skims through it, or just decides to post a random question or thought, to date in the 70 plus pages of this thread, no one, and I do mean no one, has gotten close in any fashion to providing so much as one iota of real information to disprove Rome is still running the world.

I do not realistically expect anyone can provide real information to disprove Rome is still running the world, for the reality is, I doubt anyone has looked harder, and longer and more thoroughly in more places than I have, in regards to investigating whether it is or isn’t.

The truth is Rome is etched into every major facet and aspect of our shared global life, from the Corporations that control the earth’s vast resources, to the laws that govern and regulate their trade and our own behavior and existence, to the currency that we labor for, for a allowance of those resources, to the religions and belief systems that drive the conceptualized collective understanding of life and shape perceptions on it, they all lead back to Rome.

They all emanate from Rome. Many will chose not to consider or believe that, but none will in fact be able to present any valid factual information that can absolutely dispel the very real notion, and the very real conspiracy, and the very real fact that Rome is still driving world events, and controls the logistical infrastructure that frames and controls life as we know it on the planet.

Thanks for posting.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 10:06 AM
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Maybe you're confusing run by Rome with influenced by Rome.

Society today is influenced by ancient Egypt. There is evidence.

Society today is influenced by ancient Greece. There is evidence.

Society today is influenced by ancient Persia. There is evidence.

Just like all of these, society has also been greatly influenced by the Roman system and way of life. It does not mean Rome is still running the world.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by serbsta
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Correct... I also think this whole theory is a collection of very loose facts tied together with baseless assumptions and a supposed inside source which we have no proof of. I'm not trashing the OP's intentions, but look into any one aspect of this conundrum and it has more holes than a pasta drainer. Too much assumptions, too many holes, too much reliance on one unknown source. It's amazing that a lot of people buy into it all on first read, not everyone of course, but a lot.

This would make for an amazing movie... Dan Brown should have a crack at it at least.


Actually the proof is in the pudding.

You need only look around you at the actual outcome of world events to realize that the conclusions all support themselves.

Isn’t that why you are still hanging around this thread two months and some 70 odd pages of posts later, because the evidence is so powerful that you aren’t actually in any real position to contradict it, because after all the proof is in the pudding.

It’s actually hysterical, Rome is all around you in everything that factors into and controls your life.

Denial for the sake of avoiding the unpleasantness of having to come to terms with a challenging set of problems is not the same as actually disproving that what has happened has happened.

It’s not particularly wise either, and unless you enjoy living in a world on a regressive downward spiral where opportunities and freedoms and prosperity incrementally are stripped away at a steady and tend setting pace, I suggest you put your thoughts and energy into something far more productive to make the world a better place.

That’s what Proto does when he isn’t busy holding the hands of the frightened and confused naysayers of the world.

Thanks.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
I think this post should be moved from the general conspiracies area to the fiction story writing area.

Yes, it's a good read. Entertaining yes. but there is no real conspiracy here. A lot of this guys post hinges on the so called facts I posted about in my questions above. The OP has failed to answer these questions, as well as a u2u I sent him asking him to reply to my post.

I feel that is because he made those things up and cannot answer. Poof. there goes his whole conspiracy. I am amazed at the flags, stars, and applause the OP gets from this post when none of those people bothered to do their homework to find out if this was all a fabrication. It seems like they all just believed everything the Op said and swallowed it whole.

[edit on 24-6-2010 by JohnPhoenix]


It would seem all your contentions are based on your feelings friend. You have not posted one relevant fact to suggest that this conspiracy is not true, and is not driving world events, and very much in play with a great likelihood of succeeding.

A lifetime of research went into creating this thread, and the fact is that a vast majority of its readers, including many members of the staff here of ATS do see it as a valid and troubling conspiracy worthy of better understanding.

The fact that someone is too busy with other things, to answer the questions of a skeptic, questions that have all been asked and answered previously in the thread, that the Skeptic did not take the time to read, does not mean anything in regards to the opening poster beyond they are too busy with other things to answer back right away.

If you think the very real and easily identifiable elements of this conspiracy that have led hundreds of ATS members to see validity in it, and the opening piece to be republished and plagiarized on dozens of sites around the world are based on loose conjecture, that would truly pale in conspiracy to attempting to debunk it on your ‘feelings’ that someone should have answered you in a more timely way.

Do some real research and come to the thread with some real facts that suggest Rome is not controlling the world.

I will be happy to consider them, so far all you have done is to display that you imagine any active conspiracy where the truth is being actively suppressed by rich and powerful people can be ascertained true or false through Google.

This is not the kind of methodology or deduction that would impress Sherlock Holmes.

Thanks.




[edit on 25/6/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by serbsta
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Maybe you're confusing run by Rome with influenced by Rome.

Society today is influenced by ancient Egypt. There is evidence.

Society today is influenced by ancient Greece. There is evidence.

Society today is influenced by ancient Persia. There is evidence.

Just like all of these, society has also been greatly influenced by the Roman system and way of life. It does not mean Rome is still running the world.


Really all these places that were conquered by Rome?

You mean Rome has exported ellements of the things it conquered and incorporated into it, and used them to its own profit, control and glory just like the Original Post claims and I have restated countless times in the thread since.

Wow that's a real eye opener.

Why not try adding something positive and constructive to the thread, instead of going over the same thing again and again, which like every other time it was presented proves absolutely nothing in any way shape or form that the conspiracy is not a valid one?

Thanks.



posted on Jun, 25 2010 @ 10:21 AM
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Because I still post here it means I buy into the theory? I still stick around Nibiru threads... what does that tell you? Whats hysterical is you refusing to address fundamental flaws in your theory and taunting or ignoring those who disagree with or question you. Addressing yourself in third person isn't doing you any favors either. See my above post, there are problems with all of this and no, it has nothing to do with my denial, rather your own quest to seek something which isn't there.

My source is this and this and he knows these and these who work in the top echelons of world governments, etc. etc. etc.

No one in their right mind would believe that, and I know for a fact that you know that as well.



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