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All Roads Lead to Rome

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posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 12:47 AM
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"Hitler was not trying to win the war..."

Oh c'mon... Hitlers ultimate aim was more Lebensraum for the Germanic people, of course he was trying to defeat his greatest enemy in the east in order to expand the living space and greater his empire.

Hitler not trying to win the war? That is a joke my friend and you know it.




posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 08:45 AM
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I am not so sure, as obviously he either purposefully or foolishly made some tactical blunders that the majority of military strategists would say never, ever do, if you want to win a war!

So considering all the great Prussian Staff he had, who are practically brought up on studying tactics and maneuvers and doctrine, that he over ruled at several key junctions leading to battle field disasters???

Can we really rule out he was not trying to win the war?

Once again when you take all the dogmas out of it and look at it as a common sense exercise instead of a, I got a A- in history class exercise, you see a whole different realm of possibilities once you start to investigate things the history books purposefully omit or gloss over.

Now further, fascism and communism, the Hegelian Thesis versus Anti-Thesis were as diametrically opposed as capitalism and communism are.

So in a lot of ways, when you look at the huge economic cost of the cold war, technically EVERYONE LOST World War II in some significant way, as just like World War I, once certain short term political objectives were reached the war was ground to a halt, armies frozen in place, and a new conflict, in a new form, with a new price on the people, quickly popped up as a result.

So considering the intelligence of the people involved at a national leadership level, they sure do either make a lot of tremendous mistakes that have very predictable outcomes, that suggest that such mistakes wouldn’t be made by the intelligent, or they are actually intelligently looking for those outcomes.

So once again, it is important to restate, that a good portion of what I am contending, is that there are absolutely no accidents, or coincidences, everything happens as it is planned to happen, with people being convinced bad outcomes were not the deliberate aims of their politicians by those politicians and their official historians claiming coincidence and accident.

Now to make this simpler for people stuck in dogmas, who imagine Proto’s thread is a college or high school history quiz.

If the so called independent leaders of the nations, employed the same faulty strategies into running a McDonald’s restaurant they do our nations, then every other week the restaurant would accidently poison people, coincidentally catch fire, accidentally hire people who would spend billions trying to find a better way to cook a burger, just to accidently poison people, and coincidentally catch the restaurant on fire, all the while passing the price of all those accidents and coincidences into a hamburger that would retail for about 1,000,000.00 per burger.

A lot of the dogmas are in fact taught in such a way as to provoke an intense emotional reaction when someone questions them, as opposed to an intellectual response.

Tacticians and strategists of sterling reputation tried to implore Hitler to not make the grave tactical errors he did, yet he committed his armies and resources to them all the same.

When you stop to realize that the only thing that is rocket science, is rocket science, and best practices and procedures have long been established prior to that, in how to maneuver in such situations, then one can not rule out Hitler sabotaging his own war.

By the way he would not be the first politician in history who failed to achieve his stated aims by doing things contrary to what would achieve them.

It matters not what people say my friend, it matters what they do!

There are no accidents or coincidences in Proto’s world, everything happens by design. The sooner people realize that, the sooner they can hold the liars of the world to account, who say one thing and do another.


[edit on 9/6/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:17 AM
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Nice rhetoric and an interesting take.

You would make for a brilliant politician/lawyer.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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We aren’t talking about Butch Cassidy and the Sun Dance Kid here, or Maddoff or Skilling, we are talking about the most influential and powerful people in the world, well insulated in cocoons, either embodied with the divine rights of Kings and placed above the law or in control of so much wealth and resources to begin with, that when chaos sets them back, it is only their agents and not them that suffer for it.



Proto, I'm going to jostle the 300 pound gorilla lurking in the corner of this thread. These powerful people in well insulated cocoons, where are they? And perhaps a good follow up is exactly who are they? And we're not talking about the likes of the Rockefellers, Rothchilds and the British Monarchy here are we? Even they are much too public figures to be the controllers. Perhaps even you can't answer these questions.



posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 12:56 AM
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My guess is, Hidden in Plain Sight.

Isn't it the best disguise, could it be that we just underestimate the secret powers of the already known players and their Long Secret Alliance?

Everytime one of them gets to much media attention, it seems as if he Retreat into the shadows to avoid (public) confrontations and to shuffle cards.. he relay the Sceptre of power to another player, for the next stage of their Plan.

What do you think Proto, could it be possible



posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 02:37 AM
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Originally posted by NoMoreTyranny
My guess is, Hidden in Plain Sight.

Isn't it the best disguise, could it be that we just underestimate the secret powers of the already known players and their Long Secret Alliance?

Everytime one of them gets to much media attention, it seems as if he Retreat into the shadows to avoid (public) confrontations and to shuffle cards.. he relay the Sceptre of power to another player, for the next stage of their Plan.


I have considered that possibility NMT. The problem with that answer is that they are only human and subject to the same dangers we are being in the open. What I mean by that is tragic accidents, diseases, physical assaults and on and on. I would think that these people would live cloistered lives with as little human contact as necessary in order to prolong their lives. If they are driven to greed and power I would also expect that they lust for longevity.

Despite whatever cautions they might take, I assume they are nearly as vulnerable to natural disasters as the rest of us. For instance, if the food supply of the planet is radically changed by let's say for arguments sake, a catastrophic oil spill in the ocean. I would think that eventually such a disaster will take a toll on even the hidden elite. There are just so many resources on the planet.



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 02:02 AM
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Hi everyone this is my second time replying to a post. The title of this post "ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME" caught my attention due to the fact that it brought back memories of a conversation with an old coworker... he was obsessed with FREEMASONRY and he would always blabber about the sinister plan to enslave us all and you know the general anti-masonic propaganda. Well one day he wrote this down on a piece of paper for me:

ALL

Religions
Of the
Antichrist
Demonic
System

LEAD TO

Religion
Of the
Masonic
Empire

I never gave it much thought until i read Photoplasmic well written post and it just kinda jumped back into my head. I lost contact with Frank, my old coworker but I wonder what everyone on here thinks of this?



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 10:46 AM
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That's a neat little anagram Antagonist. I think it indicates that all kinds of people make the world go 'round. Unique and gifted people are all around us. We don't always appreciate them while they're close at hand.

Some of us arrive at the same destination over the course of time but rarely together. You were not prepared to consider what Frank was proposing at the time you worked alongside him. I too was not giving much thought to corruption in the world just a couple years back. Our personal circumstances and experiences funnel us in various directions. If everything is rosey for a person, I think they tend not to question the way things are. There are however very happy, successful people that take a step back, question the state of the world and challenge themselves from time to time. I think there are a number of people posting to this thread, not me mind you, that have done this.

I think Frank planted a conspiratorial seed in you. That's a very neat thing if he did. I think you were either fortunate or chosen to cross paths with him.



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 10:49 AM
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Proto, if I remember correctly you are in Florida and have a great love for the place. I know, who doesn't love Florida? You and I have posted regarding the Keys a while back. I would bet dollars to donuts you are assessing and stressing over this oil spill fiasco as I type.



posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 04:25 AM
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HEMISPHERE

you are dead on about frank planting that conspiratorial seed in me. after hearing him rant and rave all the time he pointed me towards some very neat and eye opening things. I have always been very curious about how things are and why they happen, but he led me to my fascination with freemasonry which in turn led me to the NWO and then to this fine website where I get to read and discuss various intruiging posts. Frank was a very intelligent person, I will never forget our edless conversations about Freemasons and his never ending fight with GOD over his eyes lol.. i would explain but its a rather long story. He truly believed he was here to warn others of the evils of Freemasonry. I wish we were still in contact. Sadly he just stopped showing up to work one day. however i do believe we were meant to cross paths.



posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 04:25 AM
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HEMISPHERE

you are dead on about frank planting that conspiratorial seed in me. after hearing him rant and rave all the time he pointed me towards some very neat and eye opening things. I have always been very curious about how things are and why they happen, but he led me to my fascination with freemasonry which in turn led me to the NWO and then to this fine website where I get to read and discuss various intruiging posts. Frank was a very intelligent person, I will never forget our edless conversations about Freemasons and his never ending fight with GOD over his eyes lol.. i would explain but its a rather long story. He truly believed he was here to warn others of the evils of Freemasonry. I wish we were still in contact. Sadly he just stopped showing up to work one day. however i do believe we were meant to cross paths.



posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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Hitler was never trying to win the war, Stalin was never trying to win the war.

They were simply having the masses of their nations, meet on the battle fields, to create a new status quo that would effect not just their nations, but almost all nations in the aftermath.


hi everyone. I am a member at D.ickes forum. i saw there, a post about this thread (which is Highly exceptional btw) havn't finish to read it all yet but from what i've read this is surprisingly very interesting.

Protoplasmictraveler post about Hitler, pushed me to lookup about this and i found this source of information, direcly explained, by Jews themself.



Zionism was supported by the German SS and Gestapo.[3] [4] [5] [6] Hitler himself personally supported Zionism.[7] [8] During the 1930’s, in cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine


Jews Against Zionism

www.rense.com...
www.mastermason.com...
thegoldenreport.com...

is it possible that Theodore Herzl and Hitler have been puppets of Rome and WW2 a strategy by Rome to stay in control of the Holy Land. Many think that Isreal will be use to trigger ww3, was it all planned ?











posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 10:43 PM
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Hi tonybackfirst,

In the video "WW2 Secrets: Hitler's Role in Founding Israel", I noticed that Teddy Roosevelt was mentioned at the point when German-Jews were leaving town. I find it interesting that T. Roosevelt was a Mason...

www.pagrandlodge.org...

Toni too



posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 11:09 PM
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Hi Protoplasmic Traveler,

Your work on the Roman Empire and extremities exceeds any history book in both execution as well as vision. I highly recommend your version be installed to replace the commonly taught version. And since many a book is scanned and transferred to the W.W.W. , it wouldn't be a problem to slip your story into history as we show it, I mean know it. Hell let's make our own history. Who's to say that it didn't happen exactly that way that you say it that happened?

What if some alien has been keeping track of every detail since Time Memorial? Do you have an inside connection to the untold story?

There are many gems on this thread left unturned, you being one them.


Toni




[edit on 12-6-2010 by Antoniastar]



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 01:38 PM
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posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 05:02 PM
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Great thread Protoplasmic Traveller, I really enjoyed reading it though some of the things you mentioned were hard to grasp later in your post as I did not heard about them till now. Well done and looking forward to see more threads from you.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 06:47 AM
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I wish to ask you about the following:

"Of Rome’s many slaves imported into the Empire were a small but growing group of slaves from Britannia whose Druid sect worshiped a figure called Christ.
A religion of just a small group of slaves, it had great potential for a great plan that would ensure Rome’s success, and the Pharisees loan.
With Jerusalem cleared out and devoid of the Jews there were in fact no Jews there to challenge the myth that soon would be Christ.
False Flag Number Two the Burning of Rome
Yet there was a problem, what to do about the real Christians? While they were relatively small in numbers in Rome, and influential as they were all slaves, and originally came from a remote part of Britannia it would do little good to have any who could actually deny that their God Christ was not from Jerusalem or attached in any way to the Hebrews.
Ruthless campaigns against the Celts and Druids by the Roman Legions in Britannia could solve the first problem.
Silencing the real Christians in Rome would be more problematic.
So Emperor Nero set fire to Rome to kill two birds with one stone. He would place the blame squarely on the Christians and have them all rounded up and killed, and raise the religions stature for the first time to the eyes of the average Roman even while Josephus would be defining the Hebrew myths through his fabrications that would be a parent to the Christian Religion. "

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I believe Rome's form of Christianity was a fabrication, but you seem to imply here they the "real Christians" from Britannia would not believe their Christ was a Hebrew and this was made up by Josephus. That these Christians had to be silenced because they could expose Romes plot.

What makes you think the real Christians from Britannia's "Christ" was not a Jew? You give no sources. You say they were druids, but they could have been converts to Christianity. If they didn't believe in Jesus as the Christ and him being Hebrew.. then just what did they believe.. Where did their Christ come from?

Please give sources on this.

You also say no Jews would be in Jerusalem because of the take over..And so no one would be around to prove or disprove the story of this "Christ" the Romans were inventing. But you do not give sources for this either.

Where do you get this info? Do you think the Romans killed or captured all the Jews or made them all flee the city?

I do not believe that at all. The Romans I think would have taken over the seat of power and occupied the city with the Jews in it.

Please give sources for this info and expound on this any way you like.

An interesting book you may want to look at is called Church in History by BK Kuiper. It gives historical accounts of many of these events you speak of from Roman, Greek and other historians from the time period. These accounts differ greatly from yours.

www.amazon.com...

[edit on 22-6-2010 by JohnPhoenix]



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:40 PM
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Proto. ..bravo and thank you! I also know in my world there are no coincidences and you, my fellow armoured soldier have filled in my missing link. I, unfortunately right now am having to do all this on my phone..but nothing can stop the impossible because impossible is a lie! I would really love to communicate with you. I have all knowing, because I cheated in the game of life dealt to me, and this missing link was the key to my destiny. We are going to win, just unfortunately there are those who never will. They are the enternal slaves whom will never move on. The only reassurance for me (without playing into the hands of tptb with pity party) is they will never know otherwise. Remember Plato, they fear us..and not the other way around. Rome has always played a big part in my life...and now I know why! Now just to remember! Sin does not exist....LIES do!



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:44 PM
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also. .(its hard for me to edit on my phone)..ive had this placed on David Icke forum (of course gave credit where credit is due). Which btw make me wonder now if Alex Jones and David Icke are tools...bah I think I already know! Love and Peace!

[edit on 22-6-2010 by freedombychoice]



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 02:37 AM
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guess this thread died? or was it abducted? lions, tigers, and bears...oh my!?!



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