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posted on May, 26 2010 @ 12:07 PM
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posted on May, 28 2010 @ 09:41 AM
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Found this little bit of information on a placemat at a Italian bistro.




The Trevi Fountain (Italian: Fontana di Trevi) is a fountain in the Trevi rione in Rome, Italy.





A traditional legend holds that if visitors throw a coin into the fountain, they are ensured a return to Rome.



Make of that what you will, I found it a little odd after reading this thread. Well, the first fifty pages or so. I gave up as it's so long.

"Return to Rome" LOL! Like we need that, we are already there. Whether you agree with this threads premise or not, it's pretty indisputable that we are running under a Roman set of laws.



posted on May, 28 2010 @ 10:12 AM
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Get ready my friend.


I wish all a great weekend!

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posted on May, 28 2010 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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The truth is that individuals carrying out crimes and conspiracies always have an eye towards weaving events to create what they term as “Plausible Deniability” when it comes to their actual machinations.

So very often as you look in to the who, what, how when and where of things, you are going to encounter endless tales woven by the conspirators that in fact give the who, plausible deniability, when it comes to the what, and how and when and often the where of things.

The aim is to distance your self from involvement in the conspiracy, while distancing everyone else from the truth of the conspiracy.


Sorry I'm a little late to this Proto. I've mentioned in various threads of a rather modern study by one man of how history has been manipulated, cleansed and even erased. And from what we can glean this has likely been going on throughout.....history for lack of a better word.

That man was Joseph McCabe a one time Catholic priest in the early 1900's. His experiencing corruption, deceit and manipulation of the brainwashed masses by the Church while he was a priest led him to leave the Church and pursue “free thought” for the greater part of his life. He was perhaps the most prolific writers of all the "free-thinkers". Among his voluminous works were his investigations of how the RCC had over time and through the publishing of new editions, purged both the Encyclopædia Britannica and the Columbia Encyclopedia of entries that showed the RC Church in a less than favorable light. In order to show how this had evolved, he painstakingly compared early editions to later editions, entry by entry. The omissions, cleansings and poetic license that he uncovered was shocking to say the least. These reference works were during McCabe's time highly regarded and widely accepted sources of historical fact. McCabe proved that the Church of Rome, through the Jesuits if I remember correctly, was for all intents rewriting the public history.

McCabe's study spanned the late 1800's well into the mid 1900's. What would lead any of us to believe that this was not going on from the very beginning of the published word? When did hubris, lies and deception show up on the historical time line? Surely we can agree that they are common place in our own time.



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 10:31 AM
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PT Thanks! Your work for sure underlines the things I have been saying for a good 1/4 century by now.



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 02:03 PM
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McCabe's study spanned the late 1800's well into the mid 1900's. What would lead any of us to believe that this was not going on from the very beginning of the published word? When did hubris, lies and deception show up on the historical time line? Surely we can agree that they are common place in our own time.


A very thought provoking question my friend. It is one that I've thought of countless times during this thread. We cannot really trust anything because everything has been altered or spun.

We can though look at our current state of affairs. We can see the machinations of control that they use. We can see the direction they are headed. Sadly, we can see the fooled going right along.

Sometimes telling and showing people just aren't enough. The mechanisms embedded in the program seem to turn them right back into the system. We can only keep trying and muster all of the positive energy that we can to be an example.



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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Protoplasmic Traveler- VERY well done. I don't agree with everything you've written, but you are definately well-read! It is refreshing, in a video-game dominated environment, to find another individual, who has actually studied history!
I'd very-much like to invite you to dinner, sometime. I'm sure the conversation would be stimulating!
Congratulations, on a very well thought-out and written story!



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 12:07 PM
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Thank you Patriotgal, I am glad you found the read insightful and intriguing for the most part. Little do the gamers of the world suspect that there is a greater game at play beyond their X-Box 360’s and Nintendo and Play Stations?

A game with real prizes up to and including the entire world and all that dwells on it and in it.

They likely won’t be offering this at a GameStop Shop anytime soon!

Thanks for posting.



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 12:23 PM
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The realities that have shaped the modern world over the last century point in a direction completely different than from Rome.

Exploring the current gulf oil disaster, I found this website which many might enjoy.

The current PTB.

www.modernhistoryproject.org...


The cartel was established from an agreement signed on September 17, 1920, by Royal Dutch Shell, Anglo-Iranian, and Standard Oil, for the purpose of fixing oil prices. By 1949, the cartel was made up of Anglo-Iranian, Socony-Vacuum, Royal Dutch Shell, Gulf, Esso, Texaco, and Calso. In the early 1950's, revelations surfaced that the oil companies would pump the oil from the Middle East, then split the profits with the government of the country where the oil was produced. OPEC was formed to make people believe that the Arabian oil reserves were not owned by these non-Arabian oil companies.

These non-Arabian oil companies were informally called "The Seven Sisters". They control what is shipped to the United States and how much is refined into gas and heating oil.

They controlled 90% of crude exports to world markets by controlling every important pipeline in the world, such as the 753-mile TransArabian Pipeline from Qaisuma in Saudi Arabia to the Mediterranean Sea, which was owned by Exxon, Chevron, Texaco, and Mobil. Exxon owned the 100-mile Interprovincial Pipeline in Canada and also the 143-mile pipeline in Venezuela. The 799-mile Alaskan Pipeline was owned by British Petroleum and Exxon. By controlling these and other vital arteries they can restrict the flow of oil, limiting supplies to refineries.

The Seven Sisters were also interlocked with eight of the largest banks in the country, and with each other: Exxon had ties to Bank of America, Chevron, and Texaco; and Mobil had ties to Exxon, Shell, and Texaco. When six of the nation's major commercial banks held their Executive Board meetings, the directors of the top eight oil companies, with the exception of Gulf and Chevron, met with them.


It goes on to get even more interesting


During World War II, the Germans used coal to make pollution-free synthetic fuel. The Seven Sisters also controlled 70% of the U.S. coal supply, and their philosophy was "to mine it now, it's coal; to mine it later, it will be like gold."

On October 6, 1973, as synagogues in Israel observed Yom Kippur, the Jewish Day of Atonement, Syrian MiG-21's attacked a group of Israeli jets. Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and eight other Arab nations had mobilized against Israel. Egypt attacked the Sinai Peninsula with 4,000 tanks, knocking out many Israeli tanks; while Syria attacked the Golan Heights with 1,200. New Soviet-made SAM-6 missiles plucked Israeli planes out of the sky with ease.

However, within a few days, the tide was turned. Israel regained control of the Heights, and took a large part of Syria. On October 12, they were only 18 miles from Damascus. With 12,000 soldiers, and 200 tanks, they swept across the Suez Canal in two directions to surround the Egyptian Third Army, which had been caught on the east side, and came within 12 miles of Cairo.

On October 12th, the Chairmen of Exxon, Texaco, Mobil, and Chevron (who made up the production company of Aramco in Saudi Arabia), sent Chief of Staff Gen. Alexander Haig (who later became Reagan's Secretary of State) a memo warning against any increased aid to Israel, by saying it would "have a critical and adverse effect on our relations with the moderate Arab [oil] producing countries."

As the Israeli counterattack continued, Egypt and Syria were in serious trouble and Russia urged the U.N. to call a ceasefire. Jim Akins, the ambassador to Saudi Arabia sent a message to Aramco that the oil embargo would not be lifted "unless the political struggle is settled in a manner satisfactory to the Arabs." Two days later, the Saudis requested from the Aramco directors information concerning the amount of oil used by the U.S. military, which they supplied. The Saudis then instructed them to stop all supplies to the military. In December, OPEC announced a price of $11.65 a barrel, and the result was economic chaos in the United States and Western Europe.

Though Aramco claimed that they had no choice in what they did, and that they weren't acting as agents of a foreign government against the United States, the cry went out that the oil industry was putting "profits before patriotism." Before the embargo, America was importing 1.2 million barrels oil a day; and by February, only 18,000 barrels, which was a drop of 98%. The rush was on to reallocate other sources of oil (Venezuela and Iran had not joined the boycott), and to distribute it throughout the world. The global emphasis of the American oil companies were revealed, when they refused to favor the U.S. at the expense of the other countries, causing us to lose a higher percentage of the available oil supply.

During the Embargo, Maine's Governor, Democrat Kenneth M. Curtis, accused the Nixon Administration of "creating a managed oil shortage to force support of its energy programs." A 1973 study by Philadelphia Inquirer reporters Donald Bartlett and James B. Steele revealed that while American oil companies were telling the U.S. to curtail oil consumption, through a massive advertising campaign, the five largest oil companies ( Exxon, Mobil, Texaco, Gulf, and Standard Oil of California) were selling close to two barrels overseas for every barrel (42 gallons) of oil sold here. They accused the oil companies and the Federal government of creating the crisis.


I don't normally put in such large quotes, but there is a lot of valuable information here. I don't agree with all the conclusions, but this site is a good source of information.



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 09:23 PM
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"Many of us are scared, and apprehensive, but much of the Religious World’s of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, all invented and grown through Rome and it’s plot to take over the world, using divide and conquer warfare, ......"

I was reading with sceptical facination until the above appeared. Invented through Rome !!!

You see aliens as well?



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 09:54 PM
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I know I said I was done with this thread and hopefully me going back on my word doesn't give anyone the wrong idea, I was caught up in the moment when I should have stayed cool. I still have a lot of opinions on all of this, especially with what this member has pointed out:




"Many of us are scared, and apprehensive, but much of the Religious World’s of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, all invented and grown through Rome and it’s plot to take over the world, using divide and conquer warfare, ......"


I cannot speak on the conspiracy with Judaism and its Roman connection, but Islam was not created by Rome. After the barbarian invasion of Rome in the 5th century, the Catholic church was at a crossroads, it had to look either to the East to Byzantium, or look to the 'enemy' itself, the barbarian hordes. Luckily enough, most of the invading barbarians were already Christian, so while the Roman government totally collapsed the Catholic church remained in tact. It's important to see just how close the Catholic church came to totally collapsing. But the church survived purely because it had followers within the enemy.

Skip forward to the 8th century, Islam spread like wildfire throughout the Middle East and North Africa, its influence rivaled that of the Catholic Church. Islam rose on its own, at a time when the church was still concerned with establishing a permanent central governing vehicle. If you state that Islam was a creation of Rome, then the time period for this is perhaps the worst one. At a time when the Catholic church was in turmoil and distress (5th - 9th) centuries, Islam had already established itself as a religious power, simply put, the Catholic church had no time, at that time, to be inventing Arabic messiahs and other what-nots.

Once the church stabilized itself, it saw the threat of Islam and launched the Crusades. Now here is where the problem arises in all of this, you state that Islam is a creation of Rome, so why did Rome then try and destroy Islam by launching the First Crusade in 1096?

... Of course, you're going to say this was 'divide and conquer' tactics, but it really doesn't work in this case. Islam and the Catholic church were already divided, it just doesn't make sense. I don't even need to mention that there is no evidence to support it whatsoever, but I suppose that doesn't really mean anything, since of course... all history is fabricated.

Sorry for sticking my head in here again, cheers.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 05:44 AM
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Fantastic treatise Proto, by far the best thread on here. I now know something about world history and you have sparked my interest.

In addition, anyone that is into deity worship should read this and investigate further.

Definately should be a sticky this one. Mods????



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 05:57 AM
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Just like that?

Investigate some of these claims further, you may be surprised.

Contrary to some of the disgusting U2U's I've gotten, I'm not bashing the OP, he knows that as well, merely questioning the information presented, which is why its here in the first place.

Don't just buy into this narrative on first read.




posted on May, 31 2010 @ 07:10 AM
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Originally posted by jackflap
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McCabe's study spanned the late 1800's well into the mid 1900's. What would lead any of us to believe that this was not going on from the very beginning of the published word? When did hubris, lies and deception show up on the historical time line? Surely we can agree that they are common place in our own time.


A very thought provoking question my friend. It is one that I've thought of countless times during this thread. We cannot really trust anything because everything has been altered or spun.

We can though look at our current state of affairs. We can see the machinations of control that they use. We can see the direction they are headed. Sadly, we can see the fooled going right along.

Sometimes telling and showing people just aren't enough. The mechanisms embedded in the program seem to turn them right back into the system. We can only keep trying and muster all of the positive energy that we can to be an example.


We are very much in tune Jack. There is such a vortex of control that pulls even you and I down despite our awareness. I consider time and again wouldn't it be so easy to slide back into denial? I think of the scene in the movie The Matrix where Joe Pantoliano tells Agent Smith that "Ignorance is bliss".

I got to see my uncle just yesterday. One of the best people I've ever known. He has a good and giving heart. A real straight shooter. Lived his entire life by the rules of society. He always drove 52 in a 55 so to speak. He mentioned that he and my aunt would be taking a trip to Europe. They had always dreamed of it. I said to him jokingly to "be sure to see the Greek ruins before they were ruined" or something like that. He looked at me puzzled. I said to him "you know how Greece is in financial ruin and chaos?" He didn't know. He said "We only look up the weather now since we've retired." Pretty scary, right? I didn't get into it with him. It wouldn't do anybody good. That's the way it is for so many. They've been worn down and sucked into the vortex. Some, like my aunt and uncle, never aware there was anything tugging on them.

I just recently heard that the woman that wrote the original screenplay has won a suit against the Wachowski Brothers and Warner Brothers. What must she have gone through mentally having first written this and then being effectively lost in "The Matrix"? But she persevered and for the moment at least gets some measure of satisfaction, and that measure will be directly from "The Matrix", having had the truth on her side. What an ironic and pollyannic example of what her mind conjured was possible.


Cypher: You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize? [Takes a bite of steak] Ignorance is bliss.


I hope she likes steak. I like steak. "A pound of flesh" so to speak. We all have our "steaks". Is truth tastier than steak?

Black Author wins The Matrix Copyright Infringement Case

As you know Jack, I have a fondness for Groucho Marx. He had his own run in with Warner Brothers many years ago. If you've never heard this story, I think you'll enjoy it very much. A little off the Roman trail but not far. And so some things never change.

Letter to Warner Brothers: A Night in Casablanca



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by serbsta
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Just like that?

Investigate some of these claims further, you may be surprised.



hi serbsta

you are correct of course, maybe I should have reserved my praise a little.

I still found it a very interesting read and I'm sure others would too.

I haven't read any posts after Protos but I guess you have pointed out inconsistencies and got flamed?



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 08:39 AM
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"Return to Rome" LOL! Like we need that, we are already there. Whether you agree with this threads premise or not, it's pretty indisputable that we are running under a Roman set of laws.


Actually my friend this is one of those conspiracies that is literally hiding in plain site. The evidence of it is literally in every aspect of our world.

The truth is that most people love to have things, especially disturbing things explained away to them.

It’s like the aide flotilla to Gaza that was attacked yesterday. “The Flotilla’s sailors had knives on them.”

Here we can see a radical departure from the centuries old practice of sailors gnawing through ropes with their teeth in favor of going with the deadly knife.

The literally count on people not actually understanding just about every crew member on a working ship, pleasure or otherwise would have a hundred utility uses for a knife on a boat where things often need trimmed, scraped and tightened.

It then becomes relatively easy to paint a picture of a knife wielding gang of murderous individuals just by conjuring up some exaggerated imagery.

The people who are looking for an excuse or pretext then have one, no matter how ridiculous or flimsy it is.

Getting people to be honest about anything in relations to this world is no easy task.

The Powers that Be can more or less count on us accepting poor excuses for actions and things that really don't serve us well.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 09:05 AM
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Skip forward to the 8th century, Islam spread like wildfire throughout the Middle East and North Africa, its influence rivaled that of the Catholic Church. Islam rose on its own, at a time when the church was still concerned with establishing a permanent central governing vehicle. If you state that Islam was a creation of Rome, then the time period for this is perhaps the worst one. At a time when the Catholic church was in turmoil and distress (5th - 9th) centuries, Islam had already established itself as a religious power, simply put, the Catholic church had no time, at that time, to be inventing Arabic messiahs and other what-nots.


Once again you are missing the basic elements my friend.

The rudiments are everything.

Islam is a religion that includes the alleged Hebrew God, but even more so Jesus as a prophet.

So while you are imagining Islam rose on its own, it does very much seem to have risen with no small help from Judaism and Christianity.

There is no denying that Islam contains both elements of Judaism and Christianity.

So once again we might as well be going to the HAARP Official Website to debunk HAARP, or the 9-11 Congressional Committee Report to set 9-11 questions straight, as all you are in essence doing is relying on the “Official Story” to dispel any notion of a conspiracy.

Further if you actually go back to the Original Post and read it objectively, I contend that the Trilogy of Abrahamic Religions were all conceived at the same point in time for the purpose of mimicking the Trinity of conflict in the human mind. That this was done to turn religion into a divide and conquer exercise for political control and military conquest, and the reality is that Judaism, Christianity and Islam has had that net effect.

So we do honestly have to ask ourselves, was the net effect really unforeseen, or was it desired?

Do accidents happen amongst the brightest, must cunning and diabolical minds when planning out control strategies for the masses, or is everything very deliberate, intricately pre-planned and instituted for maximum effect?

When you look around at our own modern day world, would the Patriot, Homeland Security and FISA Acts have passed the United States Congress without the tragedy of 9-11 as a pretext to make radical changes in our liberties?

Arguably no, without 9-11 as an event to react too, Congress would not have had much public support for such sweeping legislation.

So when are people most likely to accept a ‘new system’ and the answer is during times of great upheaval.

So the fact that each religion was instituted during uncertain times amongst cultures who had suddenly found their traditional world turned upside down is in fact a very common practice.

9-11 is a classic example of this, as the facts of 9-11 don’t matter, there have been no trials, no interviews with suspects, most of the glaring coincidences and inconsistencies have never been officially investigated, but rather officially ignored in favor of pushing an ‘official story’ that was not arrived at through transparent or open means.

The official story then becomes the justification for everything life altering that is done as a response.

If history guards the official story well, then those acts will remain justified.

History then vindicates itself through that controlled manipulation of it.

Yet the truth is, if it turned out that American Intelligence, and their allies, carried out the 9-11 attacks for profit and control every thing changes across the board.

The biggest thing that changes immediately is hundreds of millions of Americans not only have to admit to them selves that they were lied too, but that they were foolish for falling for the lies.

The truth is most people would rather continue to live with a lie than make such a awkward and painful admission and the Powers that Be know this too.

Regardless Islam certainly didn’t just take off and flourish on its own; the elements of both Judaism and Christianity are present in the religion.

It is meant to play off and counter both Judaism and Christianity.

Now had Persian Gnosticism developed and flourished over this time period, and not Islam based on Judaism and Christianity, I think you would have a genuine argument.

As it is though you are relying on the Official Story to more or less say the first Official Story isn’t true, because the first Official Story would be the Quran that has rudimentary elements of Judaism and Christianity as the basis of a religion then further built upon.

As my Original Piece contends, the Hebrew Tribes in exile in Baghdad waiting for the promised and planned Christianization of the Roman Empire Proper were in a perfect place and space to take the time to plant the seeds of the third branch of the religion amongst the Semitic population of Baghdad, then as we have both acknowledged one of seeing it all the way through and one of us not, is all you need is a great political and social upheaval to get such things adopted in mass.

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all tied together, all play off of one another, and all related, and that has served Rome well, so once again in all conspiracies we are looking for motive and opportunity, not official stories.

Thanks.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 09:57 AM
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Of course Christian and Jewish elements are interwoven in Islamic beliefs. I never claimed otherwise. All 3 faiths developed in a geographically close region which is the prime cause for the interrelatedness. A prime example is the Old Testament, many tales were adapted from much older Mesopotamian myths. I can list at least 10 examples from both the Qu'Ran and the Bible in which tales were transmuted and transformed from much older ones. The point being, the ideas/tales/myths/philosophies all originated within this region, this is why the three sacred texts developed the way they did and have so much in common.

Once again, keeping the above in mind. When Islam began to flourish the Church was still stabilizing itself. So, can you present proof, acts undertaken by the Roman Catholic Church which show how they established Islam? Anything? Please don't tell me, 'brother, the evidence is around you!'... because I really don't see it.

Thanks.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 10:31 AM
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Of course Christian and Jewish elements are interwoven in Islamic beliefs. I never claimed otherwise.


Why yes you did claim otherwise


Skip forward to the 8th century, Islam spread like wildfire throughout the Middle East and North Africa, its influence rivaled that of the Catholic Church. Islam rose on its own


Islam either rose on it's own or did not rise on it's own.




All 3 faiths developed in a geographically close region which is the prime cause for the interrelatedness.


So you are prepared to theorize, however there were many other religions and Gods in that region, including the very popular Persian Gnosticism, as well as Babylonian, Syrian, Egyptian and Canaanite deities.

The trend to monotheism instituted by the Romans was not a popular one, which is why the early church was in ‘upheaval’ as you put it.

Most people were not willing to give up a veritable smorgasbord of deities to adopt just one. Why would you in fact trade in 12 trusted and true friends for only 1? Math dictates you would be getting much less numerically than more, and even in the earliest text we see Yahweh describing himself as a jealous God that worshippers should put no other God before him.

So what was this great catalyst for monotheism against traditional polytheism?

The common denominator of course is Rome, not the region. The region provided a wealth of Gods and beliefs to pick and choose from, and the Semitic people’s accepting the Judaic God after previously rejecting those teachings, but accepting it in another form of monotheism smacks of politics, once you consider Rome was pushing this new form of monotheism and was the only regional and international power with that kind of political influence.

The common sense you may like to imagine you are displaying is belied when you use words like ‘sacred text’, which shows a clear bias to purposefully exclude the politics that are clearly at play.

In reality it’s a weak argument when you look at the very wide range or religious options available to these people, and it basically is at odds with the whole premise that the Semites had rejected Judaism as an impure faith, further rejected Christ as a son of God, but were willing to nonetheless accept the Judaic God as their one and own, and Christ as a prophet of that God?

Please! That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Clearly Rome manufactured all three religions and has been using them to drive world events for 1600 plus years now.

Motive and opportunity, its very simple my friend.


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posted on May, 31 2010 @ 01:13 PM
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Since a picture is worth a thousand words.




Watch the UN in the future, the organizations around it give certain powers.
It is the only organization that can put "boots of the ground" for those powers, and draws on all countries for it's soldiers.



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