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My involvement with this conspiracy and my research is not limited to the Internet or Books, but travel, and real life experiences, and real life interactions with some of the major players involved in this conspiracy.
This Elite Class is comprised of internationalists from the financial world, media moguls, powerful politicians, upper echelon military, and multinational CEO’s. Regardless their country of origin, they fail to see the world as you and I might see it, because they play ball on a global field. Where we see regions of national sovereignty, they see only potential markets to be exploited. Where we see individuals trying to lead their lives, they see us as merely insects to be squeezed for every last ounce of juice they can wring out of us.
Have you ever wondered where the 1.2 trillion dollars funneled through the IMF goes? What about our hundreds of billions that are given to the United Nations? Much of it is given to these NGO’s in the form of grants. The recent Health Care Bill had 159 such grants embedded in it. Your money is being used to dig your own grave with. I cannot fully expose the labyrinthine corridors of corruption in a singular accounting, but it is vitally important you begin to understand the depth of the ruse being foisted upon us.
This thread could be the “epic” thread is was meant to be if the author was as open minded as he wants others to be.
Sadly his approach is no different then the powers that be. As the schools, state and government, Pr-to’s approach and rules are no different. He insults the intelligence of good intelligent men and women. The sad part is that he doesn’t even realize it.
It is the open minded (Non Christians, Religious Persons, and Christians aka Believers) who have the open minds where the author forces their minds not to expand but to contract.
The readers and posters and readers and non posters truly do have an open mind to All Roads Lead To Rome but are bound due to what is not comfortable to the author.
Truth is he insults the intelligence of these opened minded men and women even calling them names, thus hindering the thread greatly.
Ross Douthat writes a very important column observing that for all the populist anxiety about the consolidation of power in the hands of governmental and financial elites and the accompanying theatrics, power is inexorably moving toward the top and the center. Excerpt:
From Washington to Athens, the economic crisis is producing consolidation rather than revolution, the entrenchment of authority rather than its diffusion, and the concentration of power in the hands of the same elite that presided over the disasters in the first place.
The panic of 2008 happened, in part, because the public interest had become too intertwined with private interests for the latter to be allowed to fail. But everything we did to halt the panic, and all the legislation we've passed, has only strengthened the symbiosis.
From the Troubled Asset Relief Program to the stimulus bill, from the auto bailout to health care reform, we've created a vast new array of public-private partnerships -- empowering insiders at the expense of outsiders, large institutions at the expense of small ones, and Washington at the expense of state and local governments. Eighteen months after the financial crisis, the interests of our financiers, C.E.O.'s, bureaucrats and politicians are yoked together as never before.
This is the perverse logic of meritocracy. Once a system grows sufficiently complex, it doesn't matter how badly our best and brightest foul things up. Every crisis increases their authority, because they seem to be the only ones who understand the system well enough to fix it.
Is it possible, then, that civilizational complexity is a threat to liberty? If we think of civilizational complexity like an asset bubble, it becomes necessary to keep the bubble inflated no matter what, because the cost of a rapid deflation would be unbearable, or at least seems to us to be unbearable. Put another way, we are prepared to turn over an enormous amount of power over our liberties to the government and to transnational elites because the cost to us in safety and comfort is too great. When I say it like that, it sounds harsh, and I don't mean necessarily to condemn others. I don't mind at all people condemning the massive bailouts as immoral, but they had better understand what would have happened absent the bailouts -- the deep and widespread suffering that would have come about through the economic collapse. Nevertheless, the fact that to most people, whether they admit it or not, the bailouts were inevitable tells us something about how illusory our liberties really are, in part because we are not prepared to bear the cost of maintaining them. You don't believe me? Good luck to the politician who tells people that we have to raise taxes and cut spending to balance our books, or forfeit America's future freedom of action to China and its international creditors
How long can this go on? Does history give us any examples of a highly centralized government run by managerial elites that decentralized itself peaceably, in the absence of a collapse? This calls to mind a post from last month about Joseph Tainter's book on the collapse of complex societies. I quoted Clay Shirky's remarks on Tainter's thesis:
Complex societies collapse because, when some stress comes, those societies have become too inflexible to respond. In retrospect, this can seem mystifying. Why didn't these societies just re-tool in less complex ways? The answer Tainter gives is the simplest one: When societies fail to respond to reduced circumstances through orderly downsizing, it isn't because they don't want to, it's because they can't.
In such systems, there is no way to make things a little bit simpler - the whole edifice becomes a huge, interlocking system not readily amenable to change. Tainter doesn't regard the sudden decoherence of these societies as either a tragedy or a mistake--"[U]nder a situation of declining marginal returns collapse may be the most appropriate response", to use his pitiless phrase. Furthermore, even when moderate adjustments could be made, they tend to be resisted, because any simplification discomfits elites.
When the value of complexity turns negative, a society plagued by an inability to react remains as complex as ever, right up to the moment where it becomes suddenly and dramatically simpler, which is to say right up to the moment of collapse. Collapse is simply the last remaining method of simplification.
Ross's column is about problems caused by centralization of the power elite being responded to in the only way our system knows how: by intensifying and strengthening the dynamic that made the system so unhealthy. A system so complex and interlocked that a mortgage bubble collapse in southern California can trip a massive global recession, and which, in turn, can only be saved by doubling down on the dynamic that mortally imperiled it, is a system that's far more precarious than it appears.
By ROSS DOUTHAT
Published: May 16, 2010
This feels like a populist moment. Americans are Tea Partying. Greeks are rioting. Incumbents are being thrown out; the Federal Reserve is facing an audit; Goldman Sachs is facing prosecution. In Kentucky, Ron Paul’s son might be about to win a Republican Senate primary.
But look through these anti-establishment theatrics to the deep structures of political and economic power, and suddenly the surge of populism feels like so much sound and fury, obscuring the real story of our time. From Washington to Athens, the economic crisis is producing consolidation rather than revolution, the entrenchment of authority rather than its diffusion, and the concentration of power in the hands of the same elite that presided over the disasters in the first place.
Consider the European situation. For a week after Greece’s fiscal meltdown began, all the talk was about the weakness of the European Union, the folly of its too-rapid expansion, and the failure of the Continent’s governing class to anticipate the crisis.
But then the E.U. acted, bailing out Greece to the tune of nearly a trillion dollars, and dictating economic terms to Athens that resemble “the kind of thing a surrendering field marshal signs in a railway car in the forest at the end of a bloody war,” in the words of the Washington Post columnist Anne Applebaum. If the bailout succeeds, the E.U.’s authority over its member states will be dramatically enhanced — and a crisis created by hasty, elite-driven integration will have led, inexorably, to further integration and a more powerful elite.
This trajectory should be familiar to Americans. The panic of 2008 happened, in part, because the public interest had become too intertwined with private interests for the latter to be allowed to fail. But everything we did to halt the panic, and all the legislation we’ve passed, has only strengthened the symbiosis.
From the Troubled Asset Relief Program to the stimulus bill, from the auto bailout to health care reform, we’ve created a vast new array of public-private partnerships — empowering insiders at the expense of outsiders, large institutions at the expense of small ones, and Washington at the expense of state and local governments. Eighteen months after the financial crisis, the interests of our financiers, C.E.O.’s, bureaucrats and politicians are yoked together as never before.
A similar, quieter consolidation has taken place in the realm of national security. After campaigning against the Bush administration’s foreign-policy overreach, President Obama has retained nearly all of the war powers that George Bush took up in the wake of 9/11.
Yes, some of the previous administration’s more sweeping claims have been repudiated. But the basic post-9/11 architecture of executive power — expansive powers to detain, interrogate and assassinate, claimed for the duration of an open-ended war — looks destined to endure for presidencies to come.
Taken case by case, many of these policy choices are perfectly defensible. Taken as a whole, they suggest a system that only knows how to move in one direction. If consolidation creates a crisis, the answer is further consolidation. If economic centralization has unintended consequences, then you need political centralization to clean up the mess. If a government conspicuously fails to prevent a terrorist attack or a real estate bubble, then obviously it needs to be given more powers to prevent the next one, or the one after that.
The C.I.A. and F.B.I. didn’t stop 9/11, so now we have the Department of Homeland Security. Decades of government subsidies for homebuyers helped create the housing crash, so now the government is subsidizing the auto industry, the green-energy industry, the health care sector ...
The pattern applies to personnel as well as policy. If Robert Rubin’s mistakes helped create an out-of-control financial sector, then naturally you need Timothy Geithner and Lawrence Summers — Rubin’s protégés — to set things right. After all, who else are you going to trust with all that consolidated power? Ron Paul? Dennis Kucinich? Sarah Palin?
This is the perverse logic of meritocracy. Once a system grows sufficiently complex, it doesn’t matter how badly our best and brightest foul things up. Every crisis increases their authority, because they seem to be the only ones who understand the system well enough to fix it.
But their fixes tend to make the system even more complex and centralized, and more vulnerable to the next national-security surprise, the next natural disaster, the next economic crisis. Which is why, despite all the populist backlash and all the promises from Washington, this isn’t the end of the “too big to fail” era. It’s the beginning.
So for those who are following along with the thread or just discovering it now, you might want to ask yourself now, and are disappointed that the thread isn’t quite what you would like it to be, is how turning it into a discussion on star gates, or hidden symbols, or space aliens, or biblical passages, or ancient Babylon or Egypt is actually going to do ONE thing, in preventing these consolidations from occurring and the Central Authority gaining even more power through them, to all of our detriments?
Awesome way to explain it my friend. I was sitting down and thinking about this very thread before and watching the news. I was getting really fed up with everything and getting a short fuse with the everyday stuff I deal with. In my head I started wondering about the Bible verses that describe a beast with ten horns and seven heads and what not. Then I got really ticked off.
Who in their right mind when telling someone about a future event that has very big implications for them, would tell them something so vague? You have people running around and pointing at the sky wondering if they see ten headed aliens or star gates and every other thing this kind of imagery conjures. You have people swearing that they have deciphered the "hidden" meaning and low and behold it has everything to do with letting the ptb do what they want.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by On the Edge
Can you honestly say you are better served, challenging my beliefs and perspectives as opposed to your own?
I wouldn't keep getting off on this tangent except for the fact Religion keeps coming up,and not all people see Religion as totally controlled by Rome.
Frankly,I'd like to get back to discussing things like Agenda 21,the Club of Rome,the Office of the Inquisition,and any number of things that 'lead to Rome".
Honestly,...I don't see it happening worldwide,no. We're talking "worldwide power",and just think how many people are still bogged down believing there is a difference in the two-party system,just for starters.
People on here are too ready to dismiss such a thing as God-given wisdom and think the Bible is all about brainwashing the masses to suit TPTB. It's not about that. It's about salvation through Christ and warns us all about the "adversary" and how he operates. Do people twist the Bible for their own agenda? Yes.(Even Satan can quote Scripture.) I find it interesting though that even people who say they believe in God and the Bible are just as quick to say they do not believe in Lucifer/the devil. So,they pick and choose what feels comfortable for them to accept,and disregard what they don't want to hear.
In our political argument abroad we minimize Arab opposition to us, but let us not ignore the truth among ourselves. We are the aggressors and they defend themselves.
If this is Palestine and not the land of Israel, the you Zionists are conquerers and not tillers of the land. You are invaders. If this is Palestine, then it belongs to a people who lived here before you came.
Why do you violate God's order? It will not succeed!
G-d is our King, Him do we serve The Torah is our Law And in it we believe. And we do not believe in the government of the heretics. And we do not care about its laws. We will go in the ways of the Torah In fire and water. We will go in the ways of the Torah We will sanctify the Name of Heaven