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All Roads Lead to Rome

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posted on May, 5 2010 @ 10:00 AM
reply to post by serbsta

This process is known as Capitas Diminutio Maximas which is both an act and has an outcome, and purpose as well, as being a poll tax. The Census by the way is a poll, to establish a tax register.

Capitas means poll tax in Latin. Dinimutio in Latin means decessio in Latin, wich means to decrease, and diminution. Maximas in Latin means a general truth, fundamental principle, or rule of conduct.

This is a legal doctrine dating back to the Republic where your status through the spelling of your name denotes how encumbered you are by the state.

What is funny as you pointed out, it would seem the opposite. In fact in the alternative lifestyle of D/s and BDSM the modern equivalent of voluntary slavery, Master’s names are capitalized and slave’s names are not capitalized to denote a lesser status.

Or course since this practice of pseudo slavery is entirely voluntary, it is actually the slave that holds the bulk of the power, since they can simply choose not to voluntarily submit, which makes the dominant Master a bit of a hostage to the voluntary slave to say the least.

So as usual, in a world where nothing is quite what it seems, it all works out in the wash, with the Master being slightly diminished in the relationship and the slave holding the bulk of the power.

Believe it or not, part of the purpose to this thread is to remind people, that the slaves do hold the bulk of the power, because if we do not submit, then Master has a problem!

However Capitas Diminutio Maximas was/is a legal doctrine used by Rome to diminish a person’s status through the capitalization of their name.

Older versions of Black’s Law dictionary, published before 1950 actually describe the process in legal terms, which I can not find an online reference too, but would likely be available at a local older library.

So in review, under the Capitas Diminutio Maximas fundamental principle and rule of conduct, the more capital letters included in your name, the more diminished and the more taxed you are in the eyes of the State and by the State, john doe, is totally free and unrestricted, John Doe is partially taxed and diminished in stature, and JOHN DOE is completely diminished in stature and subjected to the heaviest restrictions and taxation of and by the State.

Here in the United States® when transferring some titles like that of a Motor Vehicle, you will actually be asked to hand print your name in all Capitol Letters and it even states it on the form, please print your name in all capitol letters.

This is in fact done to totally diminish you and to cede the property to the State which actually holds the Title, and Ownership through it, and simply allows you to use the property in exchange for a Tax and a Fee, if you fail to pay the Tax and the Fee the State will either fine you, or take the property or your privilege to use the property, that you imagine that you own away.

The State in fact owns everything, as anything of any significant value is Titled by the State to you in a diminished capacity, and then your use of it is taxed accordingly, fail to pay your tax, and the State seizes the property.

All must render to Caesar that which is Caesar’s and in fact everything is Caesars!

Welcome to Rome my friend; please note the exit signs, there are none!

[edit on 5/5/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 10:12 AM

Osama Bin Laden 'Alive And Well In Iran'

He has given up the caves of Afghanistan or - as more recently believed - Pakistan, and is now living under the protection of Iran's Revolutionary Guard, it is claimed. Bin Laden, his wife and family have been in the Islamic republic since 2003, the Feathered Cocaine documentary on Fox News alleges.


So after convincing everyone that Bin Laden is absolutely responsible for everything bad in the world, we are being told that he is in fact in Iran. This will make those who have been programmed into believing Iran is an enemy to make the connection to this murderous evil doer. It is amazing because we were led to believe that the supposedly huge terror group was connected to Iraq in some way as well. Hey, if you have a working formula, why change it?

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 10:19 AM
reply to post by jackflap

Rome was still using Hannibal, the legendary Carthaginian military commander that marched elephants over the Alps to attack Rome by surprise from the north, over 100 years after he was killed by Roman assassins and Carthage raised to the ground, as a means to terrify the people, and manipulate them into supporting military adventures.

Osama Bin Laden and his obvious stand in doubles is being used in the same way, a veritable boogieman who appears everywhere yet is nowhere, but can appear anywhere we would like a pretext for the military to attack.

All roads lead to Rome.

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 10:28 AM
Stranglers - All Roads Lead to Rome

If this was posted before I must have missed it...

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 10:29 AM

Originally posted by serbsta
reply to post by HothSnake

Originally posted by HothSnake

What the Masons apparently are preparing for is the return of these Gods to the Earth, with Apollo (Osiris) controlling them.

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with this in any way. Osiris is not the same as Apollo. Do you have any scholarly material on the topic which backs up these claims?

The dome has traditionally represented the womb of Isis, hence the Capitol Dome is a temple to Isis, representing her womb...

Why does it represent Isis? I still see no proof of this at all... The only symbolism I see in the dome is the 72 stars which tie in with Set and not Isis.

[edit on 5/5/2010 by serbsta]

First of all... It's not me saying it... They are saying it, which would be the Knights Templars, Rusicruscians, Freemasons, etc. that have set this stuff up all over the world. The proof is in the pudding Serbsta, all you have to do is open your eyes. Look at the Vatican, Look at London, Look at Egypt, Look at Washington, look at Greece, etc... The mystics and magicians that run the US government and the Vatican apparently use this same Athenian, thus Osirinian architectural symbology, and have magic Raising ceremonies, which are almost exactly like the ceremonies used for crowning of a new Pharoah, the raising of the spriit of Osiris to be incarnated in the God-man pharoah.

You see it in the eye of Horus symbology that is everywhere that you look, from the dollar bill, to CBS, to just about every movie, to AOL, etc., etc....

You simply have to be blinder than an unfinished pyramid not to see it.

Why all of the Horus, Isis (Virgo, Mary, Statue of Liberty, Columbian Tristar), Osiris, and Jupiter (the Father of Apollo) symbolism, plus the utterances of the Sibylline Prohecy "Novus Ordo Seclorum" everywhere by every politician and placed on our Roman debt instruments?

Why all of the architectural depictions of magic sex between long dead magic Egyptian Gods, the qoting of Sibylline prophecies, etc.? You tell me what it all means?

If you want proof that the American form of the Eleusinian ritual of resurrection, i.e., the Freemasonic Raising Ceremony is all connected to Osiris, I offer you this.. In particular, check out page 528:

Black Athena

After all, Athens, i.e., Athena was Isis, as the Greeks were apparently purveyers of the Osirinian cult.

Why have multiple references to novus ordo seclorum by Congress members, U.S. presidents, international bankers, CFR members, and other illuminatus been exponentially increasing around the world over the last decade? Why did Barack Obama feel compelled to herald the inauguration of his administration by constructing a replica of the Great Altar of Zeus, the father of Apollo, from which he accepted his date with destiny? Does an occult elite know something about the imminent fulfillment of the Illuminati-Masonic prophecy involving a false Yahweh (Zeus/Jupiter) and his false Christ (Apollo) coming with the full force of pagan justice, when Satan’s (Saturn’s) reign over the world reaches its apex in the New World Order?source

Now who sits on top of the unfinished pymramid on the Great Seal on the one dollar bill? None other than Horus (Apollo, the resurrected Osiris.) It's really as plain as day, how they see it anyhow. I really don't know what these loons are up to, but its clear that we are ruled by a bunch of freaks.

Now the connection between Apollo and Osiris is made by the cypher on the Great Seal on the dollar, which is a Sibylline prophecy of the return of Apollo, which is connected to Osiris in many ways througout greek and Roman worship of Isis and Osiris in various ways, names, shapes, and forms, but is clearly shown in the Osirinian cult architecture of the Vatican and Washington D.C., which is dedicated to the dome (womb of Isis) and the Obelisk (phallus of Osiris), and is commmemorated every Presidential innauguration by at the Masonic temple in D.C. by the Raising Ceremony, which is the raising of Osiris, in earthly form to be incarnated in the personage of the new Pharoah (President). It can't be made any clearer than that.

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posted on May, 5 2010 @ 11:06 AM
reply to post by Aquarius1

Good gracious when did they shoot that video? I haven't seen that many old beat up cars dominating the Los Angeles Freeways since??????

The Glory Days of the Los Angeles Colleseum when the NFL Raiders were playing there.

That would be the Los Angeles Colleseum built to hold the first modern day Olympic Games in the United States, a sporting event originally dedicated to Apollo, and the Los Angeles Collesum that has since been the home of the University of Southern California...wait for it...wait for it...wait for it comes...TROJANS!

All roads in fact do lead to Rome, as the L.A. Colleseum so aptly demonstrates, and if you want to understand Rome's mysteries, well you have to look at Troy.

No not Troy Aikman who oddly enough ended up playing his college ball after defecting from the Sooners of Oklahoma to UCLA!

I guess Troy didn't really have the makings of a true Trojan?

Thanks for posting the video my friend.

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 11:37 AM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Well as you know they are now the Oakland Raiders and I could see the Coliseum from my home in the Berkeley Hills.. Also could see Candle Stick Park on a clear day which wasn't often..

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 12:29 PM

Horn explains in Apollyon Rising 2012:

Unrecognized by the vast majority of peoples around the world is the greatest conspiracy of all time, sitting right out in the open in Washington DC and at the Vatican. It is an ancient, magical, talismanic diagram—the Lost Symbol—based on the history and cult of Isis, Osiris, Horus, and the prophecy of the deity’s return.

The primeval concept was designed in antiquity for the express purpose of regeneration, resurrection, and apotheosis, for deity incarnation from the underworld to earth’s surface through union of the respective figures—the Dome (ancient structural representation of the womb of Isis) and the Obelisk (ancient representation of the erect male phallus of Osiris)….

Washington Dome facing Obelisk


Vatican Dome facing Obelisk

Excerpts from
Apollyon Rising 2012

David Ovason, whom Robert Hieronimus (considered the world’s foremost authority on the Great Seal) calls "exceptionally well referenced" and whose work is endorsed by Fred Kleinknecht, Sovereign Grand Commander of the 33rd-Degree Supreme Council of Freemasons in Washington DC, speaks of the "invisible agencies" who watched over the dedication of the US Capitol. "Undoubtedly, invisible agencies were present at the cornerstone ceremony," he says, "but they were made visible in [Washington's Masonic] apron’s symbolism. The radiant eye represented the invisible presence of the Great Architect—the high Spiritual Being who had been invited by prayer and ritual to oversee the ceremonial. The radiant eye was…the ‘sun-eye,’ or Spiritual Sun [Horus/Osiris/Apollo]."

Ovason says the dedication of the U.S. Capitol building cornerstone in particular had to be done at a certain astrological time related to the zodiacal constellation Virgo (Isis), while Jupiter was rising in Scorpio, because "the cornerstone ceremonial was designed not only to gain the approval of the spiritual beings, but also to ensure that these were content that the building was being brought into the world at the right time." Ovason later adds more directly, "Whoever arranged for Virgo [Isis] to be so consistently operative during foundation and cornerstone ceremonies, must have been alert to the fact that they were inviting some archetype, or spiritual being, to direct the destiny of the city."

In ancient times, the Obelisk represented the god Osiris’ "missing" male organ, which Isis was not able to find after her husband/brother was slain and chopped into fourteen pieces by Seth. Isis replaced the missing organ with an Obelisk and magically impregnated herself with Horus, the resurrected Osiris. This legend formed the core of Egyptian cosmology and was fantastically venerated on the most imposing scale throughout all of Egypt by towering Obelisks, including at Karnak where the upright Obelisks (of Osiris) were "vitalized" or "stimulated" from the energy of the masturbatory Sun god Ra shining down upon them. Modern people, especially in America, may view these symbols as profane or pornographic, but they were in fact ritualized objects the ancients believed could produce tangible reactions, properties, or "manifestations" within the material world. The Obelisk and Dome as imitations of the deities’ male and female reproductive organs could, through government representation, invoke into existence the being or beings symbolized by them. This is why inside the temple or Dome, temple prostitutes representing the human manifestation of the goddess were also available for ritual sex as a form of imitative magic…

Through such imitative sex, the Dome and Obelisk became "energy receivers" capable of assimilating Ra’s essence from the rays of the sun, which in turn drew forth the "seed" of the underworld Osiris. The seed of the dead deity would, according to the supernaturalism, transmit upward from out of the underworld through the base (testes) of the Obelisk and magically ejaculate from the tower’s head into the womb (Dome) of Isis. In this way, Osiris could be "born again" or reincarnated as Horus over and over….

In Washington, the Obelisk built by Freemasons and dedicated to America’s first president stands near the west end of the National Mall. It is the tallest Obelisk of its kind in the world, at 6,660 inches high (555 feet) and 666 inches wide (55.5 feet) along each side at the base….

In Egypt, where raising Osiris to life through these magical constructs was perfected, Pharaoh served as the "fit extension" for the reborn god to take residence in as the "sex act" was ritualized at the site of the largest religious structure ever built—the temple of Amun-Ra at Karnak where Pharaoh became the receptacle of the spirit of Osiris during the festival of Opet. The festival was held at the temple of Luxor, where the Pharaoh entered the holy womb-temple beyond the Obelisk and was transmogrified into the living deity, the son of Amun-Ra and Osiris. From then forward, Pharaoh was considered the incarnation of the god Horus (resurrected Osiris) during his lifetime, and in death experienced apotheosis again, becoming Osiris in the underworld, the dying and resurrecting god, a cycle repeated with every newly appointed king.

Thus Pharaoh was—just as the god ciphered on the Great Seal of the United States will be—the son and spiritual incarnation of the Supreme Deity.

The number 72, which, for some reason has completely tripped you up from seeing the obvious, which is everywhere around you, is simply the number of angels/demons 36 of each.. 36+36= 72 that accompany deceased God-man pharoah when he dies and descends into the underworld to become a God, which is what is depicted on Dome mural.

It is also the number affiliated with the magic square that is used in Jewish mysticism and a part of Raising Ceremony performed at the Masonic Temple. The clear connection can be seen above with Egypt and the Osiris cult.

It is in the womb of Isis that Horus is created, the temple Dome womb of Isis that the transmogrification takes place, and the apotheosis of the deceased God-man takes place, across from the magic phallus of Osiris. The connnection is clearly seen in the achitecture, which was adopted by Rome, and the new Rome, which is Washington D.C..

Set or Seth was seen as a helper to the dead and helped Osiris ascend the latter to heaven (apotheosis). The 72 acomplices are depicted in the belly of Isis in the mural.

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 12:50 PM
What this means, I think, is that the 72 angels/demons/accomplices will help Osiris to rise again in order to take back the world.

I don't know what these freemasonic freaks are up to exactly, but I'd love to ask one of the 33rd degree that is in on all of this weird stuff.

But I don't think that they went to all of this trouble to bring all of this about, and lay it out on the streets of London, the Vatican, and Washington D.C. with such great detail, hidden to the bulk of humanity, because they are athiests that are just having a bit of fun behind out backs. Sure it is a power structure, and a lot of it is for the binding of individuals together.

For intance, it is well known that the CIA has been funneling drugs, prostitution, children sex slaves into Washington in an effort to backmail those public officials that take part in these crimes. Keep them honest, so to speak, within the power structure, and place leverage on them so that they perform as they are directed. And the freemasonic power structure is much the same way, and certainly these ceremonies are meant to bind them together as brothers with dark secrets.

But why go to all of that trouble, taking the pains to put their cities and monuments on certain meridians and ley lines, with magical signifigance, worship these pagan Gods behind the scenes, set up their temples and designs, unless they have some other purpose other than a bunch of athiests that are simply laughing at us all, though most of us aren't even aware that they are laughing at us, while they are going to great pains to set these things up in secret.

And its not even a show for most of them, but the ones at the very top that seem to be worshipping a pagan God. Such a closely guarded secret wouldn't serve the purpose of just a World Empire (and I'm convinced that we are living in the World Empire of Rome)... It would seem to me that those at the very top, maybe the Council of Seven (Eight) aren't athiests at all, but worship a God of a very different sort.

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 01:19 PM
To touch more on the process of Capitas Diminutio Maximas let us look at the ancient past to better understand our present situation.

ɡajjus julius ˈkajsar, is actually Gaius Julius Caesar’s name in Latin and this is how it would have been written and spelled in Classic Latin. For us English speakers lets take a trip down memory lane when English looked like this: ˈɡaɪəs ˈdʒuliəs ˈsizər is how his name would have been written and spelled in Old English.

So it’s important to understand that this process of disambiguation through capitalization is neither grammatically correct nor rooted in Latin or English as far as being grammatically correct.

In fact Wikipedia notes that the name Julius Caesar is a disambiguation, disambiguation means to establish a single semantic or grammatical interpretation for.

So why then are these misrepresentations being made?

Now if you were like me, long about the third or fourth grade your English Teacher began telling you that proper grammar required proper punctuation of names, business names, state names, nation names and book names, by capitalizing them.

That this is how we knew that they were names! This seems a bit peculiar because julius caesar, is still Julius Caesar whether you capitalize the first letters of the name or not. Conversely the united states of america is still the United States of America whether you capitalize it or not.

So either we are suspected of being monumentally stupid and need a little extra help recognizing things like names, or there is another reason why names are capitalized.

Now lets everyone play along at home and gather up some letters, bills, and official documents if you have any, and take note of who is putting your name in all capital letters.

Let’s ask ourselves if john doe, can really only be recognized as a name when you punctuated it John Doe, why all mail regarding to business is addressed JOHN DOE. Why does my Driver’s License from the State of Florida, spell Florida with just a capital F, but my name in all capital letters? Why does your bank do the same? Why did the State that issued your birth certificate do the same? Why do your creditors do the same? Where all their names appear as example Capitol One, but it’s addressed to you as JOHN DOE, why do you open the statement or letter and see Dear JOHN DOE, We are writing to inform you that you are an indentured servant of our corporation!

The why is because of Capitas Diminutio Maximas being such a long standing practice as a rule of conduct, that no one even questions the fact that you are instructed to capitalize names yourself, and to not question why your name often appears and in fact always appears in all capital letters on Legal Documents, Titles, Bills, Fines, Fees, Registrations, Remittances and every other form of Contract.

In fact when you accept this diminished status in how your name is punctuated by not contesting it, and signing, you are in fact agreeing to have a diminished status.

Now lets look at titles, like President of the United States, under my name on my Avatar is a title, auctorictas principis, whish is how it is spelled and punctuated in Latin, with no capital letters, this title held by the First Citizen of Rome, and then the Emperors and Caesar himself as well, means Supreme Moral Authority, and because it’s not diminished through capitalization it actually places your authority of title over the state, instead of under the state.

Under standing Capitas Diminutio Maximas is a crucial part of unbinding yourself from the legal bondage to the State that we contract ourselves into.

Understanding that all laws set a precedent that then all future and subsequent laws are further based on, is what makes Capitas Diminutio Maximas a matter of rule of conduct and have legal significance right on up through today.

The truth is that ɡajjus julius ˈkajsar had power over the State, as the State, the disambiguation of Gaius Julius Caesar his history and legacy has been diminished by the State which uses that history as a tool of the state.

So in closing please consider that john doe is a natural human being unfettered and unencumbered by the State, as such he actually has power over and within the State, John Doe has become fettered and encumbered by the State and placed under the state, when his name has the first letters of it capitalized, and JOHN DOE has been totally fettered, encumbered and diminished by the state, to property and chattel incorporated into it.

This is a huge part of how the State gets you to contractually separate yourself from your birthright of nature and the universe into a corporate citizen that eventually cedes all power and property to the State, and they do it through nondisclosure and trickery, by accepting contract after contract in a diminished capacity and these things are permissible under the law, if you in fact can be tricked into it.

Why the first and second Census Worker in fact just turned around and left, without causing any trouble, is because you can’t be forced to sign a contract, yes you can be tricked into it legally, but once you explain you are simply rejecting the contract there is nothing that they can really do.

It all boils down to whether you want to serve the corporate state, or whether you want the corporate state to serve you, whether you want the corporate state to have authority over you, or whether you want to have authority over the state.

You can have authority over the state, once you understand how it is, and why it is, the state is tricking you into contracting away your own power, and giving it to them, and authority over you along with that signature.

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 01:54 PM
Proto this is exactly what you have done in this very important thread, anyone reading it should take it very seriously.

-- questioning dogma, ideology, authority, reality, and whatever is left
-- peeking behind the curtain
-- thinking outside the program
-- looking below the surface
-- lifting the veil

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 03:06 PM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

The proof that all of this is a trick is in the fact they try to get you to contract into all of this. Like you told the census person, you refused their contract.

This can be seen by the mere fact that they get you to do all of their work. Just like the IRS refers to the income tax as voluntary, because, as they say, you volunteer to pay it when you fill out a 1040.... even though they give you very little choice, and threaten to throw you in prison if you don't.

By the same token, why doesn't the census bureau just send out a bunch of people to count heads, instead of getting you to do the count for them? Its because they are trying to trick you into contracting your rights as a sovereign away.

There are a myriad of examples just like this, where for some odd reason the government is too lazy so they threaten you into doing their work for them: licensing, filing your taxes (why don't they just send you a bill?), getting a social security card and number, birth cert., marriage license, etc...

In each case you are expected to volunteer to do their job?? This used to drive me nuts when I didn't understand that this was all a Roman Civil Code scheme based on equity chancery contracts and compelled compliance with said contracts. It just didn't make any sense at all, I thought that they were just being stupid and lazy, but now I see why they do it. They have to get you to volunteer to be their slave, and they have about a thousand ways of making that happen.

I have a question though... When we sign our names, most of us capitalize our first letters in each of our names... It seems to me that that would give us more power than the totally diminished ALL CAPS that they refer to us as. Why don't they require us to sign our names in all caps?

When I bought my current house, I had to sign the mortgage contract with my middle initial... That was weird enough, since I, like most others, don't sign my name with my middle initial.. Why didn't they make me sign my whole name in all caps? This is the only contract that I have signed that made me do this.

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 03:40 PM
reply to post by HothSnake

They will never ask you to sign your name in all caps. Your signature is just your mark.

I gaurantee you though every place your name appeared pre-printed on the Contract though it was in all caps.

If they ask you to print your name on a contract they will ask you to print it all in capital letters.

Your signature which is just your mark is acknowledgement of the diminished status you are placed into legally, when your name appears in all caps as a totally diminished corporate entity.

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Aquarius1
Proto this is exactly what you have done in this very important thread, anyone reading it should take it very seriously.

-- questioning dogma, ideology, authority, reality, and whatever is left
-- peeking behind the curtain
-- thinking outside the program
-- looking below the surface
-- lifting the veil

We are more and more living in an age, where Government increasingly does not want us to question anything.

We are practically accused of being terrorists in the mere act of questioning.

Why? Since when is it terrifying for people to ask questions, and to whom is it terrifying? People hiding the truth?

Why are they hiding the truth, and what is so revealing about the truth, that they are terrified to have people question it, let alone insist it be revealed.

We are rapidly running out of time when these things can be questioned.

The time to question and find answers is not in my humble opinion.

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 05:46 PM

Originally posted by thealiveone
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Posterity hmmm... Doing something that will not be forgottened hmmm... Since the known universe is to be about 13.5 Billion years old, Galaxies come and gone, "earth`s" come and gone. Us not knowing about theese, not remembering hmmm... That doesn´t seem to be the reason, why theese people would spend there time and entire life going for something they could never, reap the fruits from.. Somethings missing, there is a reason why they would do this anyway... There`s a piece to the puzzle missing... As stated, maybe that´s the REAL i don´t know... Love to hear your thoughts on that...

Not sure if anyone answered this but look up DAvid Icke's interview of Princess Diana's bestfriend.

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 05:59 PM
reply to post by HothSnake

Whoa whoa... calm down. I was asking for proof specifically as to why you think it is the womb of Isis. Of course I can see the use of architecture, so what? If I was President of some new world tomorrow, being a member of NO secret societies, I would also build Doric style buildings because of what they symbolize in terms of intellectuality, passion and truth. Would this mean that I am connected to some ancient myths, etc.? No it doesn't.

Set and Osiris were enemies. Nowhere does Set help Osiris. I don't get where you are getting this from. Why would the 72 conspirators help bring Osiris back when they killed him? I still see no reason to think the dome has anything to do with Isis. Don't tell me to 'open my eyes', they're open, I see what you see, but you are connecting things just for the sake of connecting them. Like I said above, just because something is built in a certain style does not mean it has to have conspiracies attached to it.

The number 72 has not tipped me from 'seeing the obvious' as you stated. You should re-read the Osiris myth and come back with actual facts because right now we're on a completely different page.

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 06:32 PM
reply to post by eldard

I wanted to check with my source on this whole space alien angle, but his secretary informed me he is off planet for the next year, so I can still not confirm or deny that there are any space aliens involved!!!

When he gets back to earth, I am going to confront him, if there are any space aliens involved, but as I have stated time and time again, I have encountered no concrete evidence of this.

Na noo, nah noo, Mork out.

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 08:31 PM

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

We are more and more living in an age, where Government increasingly does not want us to question anything.

We are practically accused of being terrorists in the mere act of questioning.

Why? Since when is it terrifying for people to ask questions, and to whom is it terrifying? People hiding the truth?

OK - I have a thought (scary - I know). Seriously looking for the tie in.

I am 64. I was in my early 20s during the Hippie movement. How does the Hippie movement tie in to All Roads Lead to Rome.

I know from actually living through this time - - there were several movements coming together simultaneously - - like a big bang.

The anti-war/anti-establishment and women's lib were political movements. The drugs were separate.

Could the escalation and use of drugs simultaneously be a means to discredit the political movements?

I know prior to this time if the government said JUMP - you asked How High. Also medical and school records were sealed. You had to get a court order to view your own records.

Seems to me the government had us right where they wanted us - - until these radicals disrupted the control.

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 09:37 PM
reply to post by Annee

Well that’s a good question, and one that has a lot of aspects to it.

The mid to late 1960’s were probably the high water mark for American Post World War II prosperity. Unemployment was low, there was an abundance of good paying blue collar manufacturing jobs most of them unionized. There was an abundance of good paying white collar jobs as well, and a lot of innovation going on.

Men remained the primary and sole breadwinner in the majority of families, and children benefited from the added supervision and typically loving interaction with a full time stay at home parent.

Education was emphasized with most people blue collar and white collar alike being able to send their children on to secondary educations at colleges and universities.

People had leisure time and the money to enjoy it. This can be a very dangerous combination.

Yet two important things were shaping up behind the scenes, one was the war in Vietnam that made little sense for America to be in, until you consider the Indochina poppy fields and heroin, and the largest tin reserves on earth.

So we had a continuation of the American Military basically being used by the corporations to help them secure and loot resources from undeveloped and weaker nations.

Behind the scenes, which received very little notice now or then, was the fact that the Bretton Woods Monetary System instituted during the Great Depression, which is essentialy the Bankers System of using fiat de facto instrument of debt currency attached to nothing of value was becoming more heavily scrutinized within government.

Bretton Woods System

The Bretton Woods system was a brain child of the Council for Foreign Relations, a Rockefeller funded think-tank.

Council on Foreign Relations

Many conspiracy theorists contend that it was Kennedy’s desire to move away from the Bretton Woods Monetary policies, and put the U.S. Dollar on a Silver Standard is what led to his assassination.

President Johnson shrewdly avoided the topic and issue after that, and there was some behind the scenes maneuvering on the part of the International Banking Cartel to get Nixon to move entirely away from it.

Up until that time the dollar could still be redeemed for Gold, even though it was still illegal and had been since the Bretton Woods system went into effect to be able to own gold by purchasing it as a commodity.

Foreigners though could redeem U.S. Dollar Holdings for Gold, and it was whittling down the Gold Reserves Franklin D. Roosevelt had built back up through outlawing possession of Gold by U.S. citizens and then confiscating thier gold to put in the Central Bank to shore up the currency which was undergoing hyperinflation at the time of the Great Depression.

Gold Standard

At the time Nixon came into office our Gold reserves at dropped from about 25 Billion to about 10 Billion dollars worth. Because the Dollar was overpriced, and Gold was underpriced, at a fixed price of 35.00 per ounce, the United States was facing its first trade deficit in 75 years, so Nixon decided to do two things, to embrace Keynesian economics.

Keynesian Economics

Keynesian economics is most simply described as the public government regulating businesses to regulate output cycles, which is one of the key factors in creating a scarcity paradigm.

Nixon detached the dollar completely from the Gold Standard, which would virtually allow the central banks to valuate the currencies, and control the business cycles.

Of course what makes you a great politician, is selling really bad ideas as a good ones, so we have to look at what likely pressured him to do that.

Even though the CIA was now controlling the Office of the President in the form of a young Nixon advisor named Richard Cheney (aka Dick) assassinating another American President for not playing ball, so quickly on the heals of the Kennedy assassination would have been problematic, so the London Bankers needed some leverage.

So like in the War of 1812, when the United States, Inc. is not behaving itself as contracted to do, you need an invasion.

British Invasion

However the Generals this time were named John, Paul, George and Ringo, and other invaders such as Dusty Springfield, Chad & Jeremy, Peter and Gordon, the Animals, Manfred Man, Petula Clark, Freddie and the Dreamers, Wayne Fontana and the Mindbenders, Herman’s Hermits, the Rolling Stones, The Troggs, the Who, the Kinks Donavan, and the Dave Clark Five, invaded our shores as bards, and created the Hippie Movement.

History of the Hippie Movement

The Hippies, could basically be controlled through the artists that inspired them, who were in fact all from Brittan and the truth is this was an actual strategic invasion to create a controllable fifth column in the United States utilizing it’s soon to be disaffected youth!

Fifth Column

At the height of the Hippie Movement gatherings of up to a million people would congregate in Lafayette Square across from the White House, and around the Washington Monument, there sheer numbers could have taken over both the executive and legislative branch of government forcing the politicians to flee, providing they were allowed to flee.

The FBI as well as the Nixon Administration viewed the Hippie Movement as a potential and genuine revolution.

However unbeknownst to the hippies who were being exposed to mind altering drugs and music, they had no idea this is why they were being exposed to drugs or mind altering music, but the truth is a few words from General Paul/Faul McCartney of the Beatles at one of these huge gatherings, would have sent them over the fences and into the White House and the Capitol Building.

Welcome to Proto’s world everyone where absolutely nothing of significance is viewed as random or coincidental!

Nixon despite the fears of most of the world, fearing economic collapse if he would, took the United States off the Gold Standard, and foreign entities could no longer buy Gold from the United States at the fixed price of 35.00 per ounce using U.S. Dollars.

Nixon offered a carrot in that Americans and Europeans alike could now buy Gold form the U.S., but at a fluctuating rate that the market would yield as a commodity.

Enter the age of Gold Speculation, and currency that is redeemable for absolutely nothing, but goods and services, with its inflation and deflation completely controlled by the Central Banks.

Unbeknownst to the Hippies this is what they actually accomplished, though there was a drawback to London in creating this fifth column, in that the Hippies did manage to make continuing the war in Vietnam untenable for any American President.

The Bankers called Tricky Dick, Tricky for a reason, and they didn’t much like him, so after he served his primary purpose in detaching the U.S. Dollar from the Gold Standard, instituted Keynesian economics, and started deficit spending to indebt the U.S. Government further to the International Banking Cartel they got rid of him through using his own duplicity against him and a little misstep called Watergate.


All is fair in love and war! Of course the Hippies had to be dealt with too, since they did represent a legitimate and clear and present danger to the Governments, so the Corporations began the long and slow process of exporting first Steel and then Auto Production, going after the Unions, and to create inflation, while stagnating wages, to effectively make both parents work, while gradually watering down the educational system, and further eroding the culture through entertainment standards and values.

Which is why we are pretty much nationally where we are today, where hardly anyone could afford to go to Washington D.C. to protest, let alone be able to afford some good drugs to doubly enjoy it, isn’t life grand?

[edit on 5/5/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

posted on May, 5 2010 @ 09:45 PM
I would like to take a moment to thank everyone who has been actively involved in the thread. The thread made it back to the ATS Home Page dead last in the most replies in the last 90 days column.

We should be dead last in the most flags column for the last ninety days, but despite the fact on the 25th of April this was the top flagged thread on ATS originating that day it did not make the ATS newsletter.

Yes I smell a conspiracy too, and can only surmise this has something to do with Skeptic Overlord’s thread on the defamation of Internet Users coming out the next day that has dead last on the Most Flagged in the last ninety day column.

I sincerely want to thank everyone who has helped to so broadly expose the thread to get it maximum exposure from the first day it was published right on up through today.

I feel it is the most important and mother of all conspiracies, and discussing it, and probing it, has become my great passion in life.

The members of ATS simply Rock!

Thanks everyone.

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