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All Roads Lead to Rome

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posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 01:06 AM
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Oh well, my 5 minutes is up

back to the daily slog

Great posters, great posts and ideas and sentiments

GO THREAD




posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 01:27 AM
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You have repeatedly mentioned how there are hundreds or treaties, Papal Bulls and so on which 'prove' your theories and can be found online.

Perhaps it would help everyone if you would at least link to one, possibly breaking it down so we can see how you think it fits in with your theory.



posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 01:32 AM
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Originally posted by Emphursis
You have repeatedly mentioned how there are hundreds or treaties, Papal Bulls and so on which 'prove' your theories and can be found online.

Perhaps it would help everyone if you would at least link to one, possibly breaking it down so we can see how you think it fits in with your theory.


I did on the front page I listed the most important one for America, and linked it, The Treaty of Paris, and I linked the most Important of the Papal Bullahs regarding the Vatican's acquisition on North America too.

It's all in the OP.

Start from there, read them literally not figuratively, use a legal dictionary on the titles and the key words.

I in fact want people to look for themselves, and want to look for themselves, the more you start doing your own honest research for your own curiousity instead of just trying to decide whether I am right or wrong, the more you are going to realize it is you learning these things, and not me teaching you these things.

The things that you learn on your own, will be things you can believe in, on your own, and won't be dependent upon me at all!

It's why I put some links in the Original post to get curious people started!

Thanks my friend.



posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 01:39 AM
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I notice that OP is still on line I would like to comment that just when you believe most intelligent life is no longer on the internet you came along with this great thread,Im a little bit more inclined towards believing that Rome represents and older secret power known only to them that maybe there is a higher intelligence again above the pyramid and that its no great fan of man.It probably regards us as Kentucky fried chicken but has hubris to the point he expects the chickens to be on bended knee,

Now back to page 13 where I was up to,just wanted to congratulate you before you left.



posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 02:34 AM
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Shyte ... every time i think i can add something, the thread has grown 2/3 pages. I would like to recommend page 14 to everyone, there is some gold there.

PT: couple of questions here, humour me if you would?

1. Your sources are obviously on the inside. Info like Julius survived is obviously "hidden" from common eyes. That info exists, even in writing, perhaps the vatican archives (which have been closed for renovations?!).
Question is this: what percentage of written history has been sealed? ie: We only have access to say 5% of all available data, especially wrt pre roman era? (aside: Jesus Christ and Julius Ceasar have same initials, what's the chances?)

2. You fastidiously exclude "prophecies" in this thread. To what extent to the PTB recognise certain prohecies, esp. those fomented by Crowley, Pike and Hall. To a lesser degree John of Patmos?

3. 1991 1000 points of light, !!!!!!!!!!!!! That is imho the binding evidence to your theory. Although i do find it curious that despite everything, the information war is being dragged against them. Aside form "general awareness", what specific info is best to propagate, what in your opinion is the hardest hitting evidence for people to hear (i'm with your All roads lead to Rome concept, but even this seems too contentious)

undo:
you're barking up the wrong tree, IMHO i agree with you in many ways, but PT is forced to stay on track here. What i challenge you with, is showing a connection between the current rulers (rome) and this stargate tech. We know they know about it, and that they would hide the info, and that they'd use anything if it had any advantages.

What PT has focused on is the earthly powers. I can also vouch that while much of your personal research is excellent, you have only discovered these things by digging deep and hard. What you are discovering in a fringe researcher way, they have known about and suppressed for millenia.

I gave up on schooling when i figured out what they were about. No education here, just systematic breaking down of curiosity and a indifferent stamping of preconcieved notions. If only we had a real understanding of history, like they give their kids, that alone would rubbish any hold they had over us.

Ephesians 6:12


12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.



posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 02:42 AM
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sorry, already been answered, I was 8 pages back still!

[edit on 28/4/10 by RogerT]



posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 03:03 AM
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Here I go again! A little more from the perspective of believers who are watching Rome do it's thing. I appreciate Proto's take on this subject,but I feel compelled to add what Rome's #1 enemy,the fundamental,prophecy-studying Christian,has to say.

Again,it does not negate what Proto is saying about Rome's absolute infiltration and control. It actually supports it,treaties and all!



It was 90 years since Napoleon had taken the Vatican out of power, and it's obvious what the Vatican needed to do after that point to re-gain control. Directly after the Vatican re-gained it’s church & state status in 1929, we see her growling across the political landscape with a fervor. Rome had it’s power, and killed millions of Christians in it’s first reign, and then just as prophecy predicted, it received it’s mortal wound in 1798 when Napoleon sent in General Berthier to remove the Pope from political power. Martin Luther had already significantly crippled the Vatican’s religious power in the Reformation. Napoleon just finished the job and made it fatal. But prophecy also said in Revelation 13:3 that this beast would get up again didn’t it? And then we see in 1929 it did just that when Mussolini and Gasparri signed the Lateran Treaty making the Vatican a church and state once again. So there you have it! My favorite prophetic exposure of Antichrist!

· The beast that was = 538ad to 1798ad killing Christians

· The beast that is not = 1798ad to 1929ad when it was no longer in power Thanks to Napoleon

· The beast that yet is – from 1929 to present day with all it’s evils out in the open

Prophecy also states that “all the world wonders after the beast” in Rome. Today more than ever, this is an easy to understand reality. Besides the fact that the grand majority of every nation on earth has an ambassador to the Pope, one can see that this Antichrist entity has the uncanny ability to gather the masses. Not only does it sport the largest number of followers on Earth, it consistently draws crowds like no political power on Earth can do. For example… The President of the United States is in himself a rather large magnet to the media the world over. Whenever the President travels within the states, or abroad, regarding a major situation, one can see anywhere from two to three thousands journalists covering his visits. This is very impressive indeed. However, when the Pope made his last visit to the USA he drew over sixteen thousand journalists!

ALL governments the world over know what they see in this Vatican. A power that can, and does have the ability to influence the masses with child like ease. And every politician knows that if you want to get anywhere in big government, you must meet with the Pope, kiss his ring in an act of worship, and then do as he says. Some pay homage to the pope behind closed doors, and some need to be made an example and do it before cameras. We all recall the picture of Yassir Arafat kissing the Pope's ring a few years back.

The Vatican is the most powerful vote gathering entity known to man. At any given time the Pope can call and audience of his faithful, and you will see St. Peter’s square, as well as the streets surrounding the Vatican fill with over 1 million voters. And every news or TV station on earth will be broadcasting his every utterance so that countless millions if not billions can lend an ear.

This is indeed a holy war we find ourselves in. Ask yourself, what’s the normal procedure for war? The offending nation is first hit with sanctions. Then when the attacking nation realizes they won’t comply, they are killed in an act of war. What does prophecy say the Antichrist seeks to do in our lifetime?

· Revelation 13:17, "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

First they will enforce economic sanctions on those that refuse to comply with the mark of Rome. And when they see the small Remnant of the church of Christ that still stands firm in the Truth, they will then decide we are worthy of death.

· Revelation 13:15, "And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."


More on this and much,much more,can be read at www.remnantofgod.org...



posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 03:05 AM
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But wait, there's more!!!

Your connection to Greece was surprising. But Rome was about 90% Greek thought, and much of what we term normal today is a legacy of Plato, Aristotle and others of that era. Including democracy, republics and other heirarchal thinking.

Now one of my favourite books ever is "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" i'm a taoist biker, go figure. But in that book there is a number of concepts which challenge our understanding of the modern world. Most notably the concept of "Quality". The author, while looking at quality as an attribute, comes to conclusion that our understanding of the good has been subordinated to the true. Ergo it's more important to do something because it is reasonable, than to do something because it's the right thing to do.

IMHO TPTB have used specifically this concept very well, and is partly what needs to be overcome in seeing a "better" way. The Greek concept of "arete" is what history has erased.

From: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert M Pirsig:



Phædrus saw Aristotle as tremendously satisfied with this neat little stunt of naming and classifying everything. His world began and ended with this stunt. The reason why, if he were not more than two thousand years dead, he would have gladly rubbed him out is that he saw him as a prototype for the many millions of self-satisfied and truly ignorant teachers throughout history who have smugly and callously killed the creative spirit of their students with this dumb ritual of analysis, this blind, rote, eternal naming of things. Walk into any of a hundred thousand classrooms today and hear the teachers divide and subdivide and interrelate and establish ``principles'' and study ``methods'' and what you will hear is the ghost of Aristotle speaking down through the centuries...the desiccating lifeless voice of dualistic reason.




Under Aristotle the ``Reader,'' whose knowledge of Trojan areté seems conspicuously absent, forms and substances dominate all. The Good is a relatively minor branch of knowledge called ethics; reason, logic, knowledge are his primary concerns. Areté is dead and science, logic and the University as we know it today have been given their founding charter: to find and invent an endless proliferation of forms about the substantive elements of the world and call these forms knowledge, and transmit these forms to future generations. As ``the system.''


Now this is a social commentary on technology in modern life, which digs into pre roman thought to uncover the logical fallacies which govern our thinking.

When you apply these logical fallacies to thought and discussion, you cannot "play" outside these pre determined bounds. Your mind is boxed in. You cannot climb out the box until you escape "logic" or "reason". The fact that logic has been cleverly manipulated by none other than Plato is irrelevant to the fact that you still follow this faulty logic.

Unfortunately, climbing out the box is climbing out of the mythos that has been created. Being outside the mythos is to be known as "insane".

The central thesis of this thread is very much outside the box, into a surreal world more akin to Alice's rabbithole than to serious history. By these means have they successfully diverted attention from the fact that war is morally reprehensible, to the fact that war is reasonable, and logical. And if as a moral person, you are trying to show their guilt, you cannot, because you are still caught in the fallacy. Their fallacy. Which they have sharpened over the years.

Remember, they operate knowing full well what limitations you have accepted, and do not succumb to these same logical weaknesses, but instead are knowledgable in how to manipulate them.

PT, please yay or nay the relevance of this to this thread, but i believe it adds credance to their ability to control our collective thinking and unerstanding of the world they control.

peace



posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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In fact one of the most common phrases of all time is "All Roads Lead to Rome"


I know I'm splitting hairs here, but I don't think you are even close with that statement.

Please take a moment PT.

You are risking invalidating the very sound argument you made in the OP with this kind of speculative assertion labelled as fact.

Nobody likes a 'know-it-all'


[edit on 28/4/10 by RogerT]



posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 03:55 AM
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Excellent read. I've often pondered the transition of society/civilization over the long term but could never have put it all into words as well as the OP did. It does take imagination to tie everything together so seamlessly and yet it's at the very least feasible. Many people can't conceive of the notion that events of today could have their origins 100 years ago, let alone thousands of years ago.

As an aside, yes the OP got the date for Earth Day wrong but here's a fun fact: The first one was 04/22/1970(My one sister was excited about it, I though they were kooks), the one hundredth anniversary of the birth of Vladimir Lenin. But that's another thread.



posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 05:26 AM
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Originally posted by mick1423





I never realized the wreath until now. I laughed a bit when I saw this image... its all just a massive coincidence or there is some method within the words, so to speak.

Let's see what J. Caesar says about the olive wreath and its significance:

J.C proclaimed the laurel wreath "to be a symbol of the supreme ruler."

Makes me giggle at how nicely it all fits into play.

But I'm not suckered in that easily, and I really have to stick up for undo here. Why are her posts being ignored by the way, when they are addressing aspects of the opening post? I can agree with a lot of what you've posted but in regards to the fabrication of ancient history, you really hit the 'totally implausible wall' at 200 miles an hour.

P.S: Proto, when you have time, respond to my U2U. I want your opinion on the Gospel of Caesar.



posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 07:17 AM
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Thanks for that Harry. This is a little off base but you reminded me with this "outside the box" why I've always enjoyed the Marx Brothers movies. They made fun of the system, picked at all of the scabs. The audiences thought their humor "insane". Because they escaped from what was promoted as "logic" and "reason". And the audiences escaped with them and they were giddy. For those "insane" moments in a theater their minds were free to imagine what if.




Firefly confers with Chicolini regarding the nature of the army:

Firefly: Now that you're Secretary of War, what kind of an army do you think we oughta have?

Chicolini: Well, I tell you what I think. I think we should have a standing army.

Firefly: Why should we have a standing army?

Chicolini: Because then we save money on chairs.


Not the best example that could be found but I think those new to "Marxisms" will get the idea.

That was their schtick. They picked at society's accepted principles. War, universities and the wealthy were often targets. Their audiences laughed off their tensions and walked out of the theater, back into a world of ignorance, poverty and war.



posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 07:26 AM
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Our Father who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
...

Is this a prayer to Emperer Caesar?



posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 07:40 AM
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Yes, in fact all the great comedians had the same message:

You're in a box, get out.

Notably humour is one of the greatest means of freeing your mind.

peace



posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 08:49 AM
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Amazing Proto! Keep up the good fight, and I'm here to fight with you. I was beginning to think that I was the only one that saw this, until I started reading your threads.

Anyhow, I have too much to fight for in order to let these bastards win, so I intend to stand by my great ancestor and say "give me liberty or give me death."

I beleive that we still can win this fight, but the populace at large needs to wake up to the truth. I think that you are right in that it is an information war, a war for our minds. Take back your minds, and they cannot control you. That is the real source of all of their power.



posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 08:55 AM
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I have a question that you may have already answered, but I may have missed:

Where did you get that 322 referred to Caesars awakening? Was it based soley on the history of Caesar being stabbed on 3/15, or did an actual PTB (Bonesman) tell you this?



posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by anglodemonicmatrix
I notice that OP is still on line I would like to comment that just when you believe most intelligent life is no longer on the internet you came along with this great thread,Im a little bit more inclined towards believing that Rome represents and older secret power known only to them that maybe there is a higher intelligence again above the pyramid and that its no great fan of man.It probably regards us as Kentucky fried chicken but has hubris to the point he expects the chickens to be on bended knee,

Now back to page 13 where I was up to,just wanted to congratulate you before you left.


Thanks my friend, it's turning out to be a great thread, with a lot of members adding some great additional resources and comments and things to ponder.

I can only hope that while it's intriquing to theorize what might be above the Roman Power structure, possibly hidden and unseen, that the temptation to contemplate that myriad of possibilities, doesn't deter people fom looking directly at the Roman Power structure, and considering first and foremost that we might be well served at this juncture, to confront it and tear it down.

Thanks for posting



posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 09:52 AM
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I think it's important to understand that Napoleon ran deeply afoul of the Vatican and the House of Dan when he failed to defeat Czarist Russia and bring the Czar's banking and wealth under the Vatican and the House of Dan's control.

Napoleon is truly the only ruler ever to actually try to stop Rome in the aftermath of his Russian defeat, because Rome does not look kindly on failures.

He first attacked Switzerland the heart of the Vatican Banking Financial Empire and destroyed its 13 Canton System of Government, which only made matters worse for him. Rome is spread out everywhere, and even when he turned too and attacked and sacked the Vatican it did not alter anything or deter Rome.

That is what I mean as the Vatican as being a front. All it did was prompt the English Monarch, a crown that was bestoyed upon it by Rome, and lands pledged back to Rome in return, to mount a massive effort under the Duke of Wellington and the Prussians of the Holy Roman Empire to crush him once and for all.

He died a very slow and agonizing death in exile, slowly poisoned by arsenic for his attempt to take on Rome, which was really born of his failure to accomplish his assigned task to bring Russia under the banking cartell Rome controls.

While the Vatican is a depository of great information, secrets and wealth, it remains as it has always been, just a front for the Roman Empire, which is literally spread out everywhere.

When one understands the role Rome plays, that the Banking System that Rome employs plays, and the interconnected spider web of Monarchs and Heads of State that owe their power and title to Rome and the mutual International Laws they are all bound by imposed by Rome, yes Napoleon's story truly does display the power of Rome, and the consequences of failing it, and the consequences of rebelling against it.

Thanks for posting.



posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 09:58 AM
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I never realized the wreath until now. I laughed a bit when I saw this image... its all just a massive coincidence or there is some method within the words, so to speak.



Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity.

Marshall McLuhanisms


Let's look at some people who don't believe in Coincidence!

1. Master Spies
2. Master Statesmen
3. Master Phillosophers
4. Master Criminals
5. Master Priests

Let's look at the people who do believe coincidences have no meaning!

1. Serfs
2. Vassals
3. Slaves
4. Chattel
5. The Dead!

There are no coincidences, it's amazing in fact, a number of posters would argue all day and all night, about hidden meanings in the Bible, and the Pyramids, at times reaching for the most inventive flights of fancy to see something, out of nothing, yet when something is right in their face, they strive real hard to see nothing?






posted on Apr, 28 2010 @ 10:05 AM
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P.S: Proto, when you have time, respond to my U2U. I want your opinion on the Gospel of Caesar.


I would contend it's already been published in the Holy Roman Bible, because its an almagamation of everything that becomes quintessential to a Roman world. Well installing a Roman World that spans the globe.

We do see the various aspects of what Rome prizes in a leader (God) wrathful, vengeful, vain and jealous that will tollerate no others on such a lofty pinnacle it wants to hold alone.

And what Rome desires in it's citizens (Jesus) meek, forgiving, humble, willing to submit and turn the other cheek, desiring nothing of real wealth and substance.

It is an interesting idea though, and by all means, if you want to do a thread and develop the concept further, please do.

As I have said, mine, and this threads purpose is not a spiritual quest to find out the hidden secrets of the Universe (been there done that, got em, got em for sale, in a wide variety of colors and sizes to fit all) but to expose the control aspects, and the manipulative and barbaric and cruel nature of the Roman Empire that still runs and is rapidly conquering all of the world, having conquered most of it, and stands poised to establish a one world government.

Sorry I haven't been able to respond specifically to your U2U as of yet, I have been getting dozens each day regarding the thread, and trying to keep up with the thread too. Thanks.



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