All Roads Lead to Rome

Hidden history

"He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future." - George Orwell.



History could have been tampered with to hide part of it and create a false history to manipulate populations and to give more power to TPTB.

For centuries Rome control world population with religion, religion that manipulated Christians to belief in their Roman roots and history. Proto brought us out of our comfort zone when he exposed the real past of Rome and it scared some and made TPTB Starts the War Drums against him. Proto was Tapped ( After having seen what he did here, we now understand why...) by an insider of the Elite Cabal who probably choosed his personal values instead of Power or did what his conscience told him and this thread as shown that indeed...'' All Roads Lead to ROME ''

People accept to live in a false reality upheld by pre-programmed belief systems controled by TPTB, because human nature prefer and give priority to Conforting lies than unpleasant Thruths !


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Good picture mick !!

another theory i have come across is that the standard accepted Roman historians may have for the most part been fictional characters as well.

(from an essay)
"Julius Caesar’s death was documented by JEWISH historian Josephus Flavius many years later.
Flavius may in fact have fabricated the account and destroyed any genuine “evidence” (if any existed).
Flavius may in fact have written “fictional” accounts of “Jewish” revolts and slavery.
Flavius may also have been the “originator” of (some) writings for the New Testament and (some) “modifications” of the Old Testament.
Flavius by His own accounts was a “double agent”, and many of His writings have been marked as forgeries perhaps written by His successors and/or their fabricated characters.
Josephus also wrote his own "auto"-biography .... mostly unprovable."

It is possible that Flavius (or a “Flavius” character) was the real “Father” of Christian belief structures.

Another “account” of Caesar’s death was written by a Greek born historian and philosopher Nicolaus of Damascus. Most of his “works” have all been lost except for “fragments” (of course !). He also wrote His own auto-biography. He bears much similarity to a Gospel character named Nicodemus, a Jewish Pharisee. Both Nicodemus and Nicolaus of Damascus are most likely fabrications of Josephus Flavius and/or HIS “fabricators” and “successors”.

Flavius Josephus

.....we must ask, who was Josephus and what was his background? And did this background affect the way in which he viewed both his, as well as the Roman world? To better understand the man’s motives, we must first understand the man........

By applying the basic rules of historical research to Josephus’ accounts, we must conclude that; Josephus’ accounts cannot be corroborated by other sources. The archeological evidence contradicts some of Josephus’ accounts. The author’s own writings contradict themselves. And Josephus’ “histories” were self-serving, containing several examples of embellishing by the author. It is therefore within the light of these facts that we should disregard Josephus as a source in his entirety. ............

long article, but worth analyzing

reply to post by xuenchen


Wow...You always amaze me, your deep research is always bringing us detailed new element of information, you seems to always find something new and interesting to let us get closer to the hidden Truth. '' All Roads Lead to ROME ''

Originally posted by mick1423

For centuries Rome control world population with religion, religion that manipulated Christians to belief in their Roman roots and history. Proto brought us out of our comfort zone when he exposed the real past of Rome and it scared some and made TPTB Starts the War Drums against him. Proto was Tapped ( After having seen what he did here, we now understand why...) by an insider of the Elite Cabal who probably choosed his personal values instead of Power or did what his conscience told him and this thread as shown that indeed...'' All Roads Lead to ROME ''

Right.

By the way, I have this bridge in Brooklyn you and your readers may be interested in...

Not to denigrate the thread, and your efforts here, but there is no "Elite Cabal" running scared because of a fictional premise by Protoplasmic Traveller on an internet forum. Nonsense.

Anyway, there is some interesting stuff in this thread, besides the obvious candy mountain dross. The history of Rome and it's influence on the world as we know it is a very interesting topic. Do carry on.

Signed: Extant Taxon, Running Lackey of the Mysterio Global Cabal Chasing Protoplasmic Traveller, fearless lone maverick ATS forum poster.

Interesting series of videos here on the was the Romans literally built their empire:

Originally posted by xuenchen

It is possible that Flavius (or a “Flavius” character) was the real “Father” of Christian belief structures.

Another “account” of Caesar’s death was written by a Greek born historian and philosopher Nicolaus of Damascus. Most of his “works” have all been lost except for “fragments” (of course !). He also wrote His own auto-biography. He bears much similarity to a Gospel character named Nicodemus, a Jewish Pharisee. Both Nicodemus and Nicolaus of Damascus are most likely fabrications of Josephus Flavius and/or HIS “fabricators” and “successors”.

There is no definite evidence of Nicodemus's existence outside the Bible. However, there are two people called Nicodemus, one in Josephus's Antiquities (14:37), and one in the Babylonian Talmud. Both were members of the ben Gurion family, 'in which...' as Blomberg says, '... only a handful of 'first' names reappear over the generations.' (The implication is that Nicodemus is one such name.)

Josephus's Nicodemus was alive in 64 BC, so he certainly cannot be the person John writes about. The Nicodemus of the Babylonian Talmud was a rich man who lived in Jerusalem during the war with Rome, i.e. the late 60s AD. The Nicodemus of John's Gospel could have been the uncle of this Naqdimon ben Gurion of later Jewish history.

The picture of Nicodemus in John's Gospel fits what we know of the ben Gurion family: they were rich, they were pharisees, they were teachers of the law and members of the ruling class. This is not proof - but it does mean that the account in John's Gospel fits the historical circumstances very closely.

www.facingthechallenge.org...

No doubt that the ben Gurion family were in a position to create and sway the belief structures of the religious system. Jesus and Nicodemus were enemies and opponents. But that's another story.

A curious sidenote here...in the above quote Nicodemus is spelled "Naqdimon". According to the etymology, "naq" means "hand" or "arm". (starling.rinet.ru.../data/cauc/darget&text_number=++52&root=config) Dargwa etymology.

hand/arm + dimon/demon

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excellent point Alethea.

here's an in depth look that may have some merit.

I. INTRODUCTION

MOST commentators on the reference to Nicodemus in John 3: draw attention to the rabbinic traditions about a wealthy Jerusalem aristocrat called Naqdimon (Nicodemus) b. Gurion, and quickly conclude either that there can be no connection between the two or that it is impossible to know whether there was. (1) But occasionally the two have been identified, (2) while the latest significant discussion, by J.A.T. Robinson, suggests that John's Nicodemus was the grandfather of the rabbis' Naqdimon. (3) A few scholars have also discussed occurrences in Josephus of the names Nicodemus and Gurion, borne by prominent Jerusalem citizens, and the possibility that some or all of these were members of the same family as Naqdimon b. Gurion. (4) Finally, commentators on John sometimes also refer to the puzzling rabbinic tradition of the five disciples of Jesus, which seems, in a way that has never been satisfactorily explained, to link the Johannine Nicodemus and the rabbinic Naqdimon. (5) The latter was also known as Buni, and the five disciples of Jesus include both Naqqai (which could be short for Nicodemus/Naqdimon) and Buni.

These issues merit a much more thorough investigation. In the course of an examination of all the relevant material in Josephus and rabbinic traditions--important parts of which have not previously been noticed as relevant--we shall show that there was in the first century AD a very prominent Jerusalem family in which the names Gurion and Nicodemus were repeated as characteristic family names. This argument will make a contribution to our knowledge of the ruling elite in pre-70 Jerusalem, which is of interest and significance quite apart from its relevance to the Fourth Gospel. We shall also argue that John's Nicodemus must have belonged to this family, and, in the light of this, we shall offer a new solution to the hitherto unsolved riddle of the five disciples of Jesus.
Nicodemus and the Gurion family.(Critical essay)

reply to post by Extant Taxon


just watched the 1st one. pretty cool YALE lecture series

folks might want to watch this. 1st video- and teacher admits at the end how influenced by rome that YALE UNIV is from arena to buildings

322

OH MY

reply to post by SuperTripps


There is a lot of influence stemming from the Roman Empire on the world today. The problem is when people conflate the sway a civilization that has passed, died, with an fantasy of an extant occult (that is, hidden) shadow empire that secretly rules the world.
Ideas transcend the boundaries of our temporal lives. Empires come and go. Rome is an idea, maybe the grandest of all as regards the modern world. Many, many recent nation states sought to institute a third Rome. Because they wanted to reify a concept that epitomized ultimate state power, and order.
America is very, very influenced by the ideational fire that was Rome. it doesn't mean, for myself, that there is a long, unbroken Roman power base that extends from before the common era 'till now.

Anyway, do have a look at the rest of that lecture series, it's damned good.

Any CONFIRMATION, of the

All Bishops Too Rome

rumour?

Cause thats something which shouldnt be a "rumour leaked" by some Travel Agent.

Well he was curious ,,so the rumour goes,,

as too why all of the Tickets
were ,,
1 way. and immediate?

lol

so he leaked it,,

Is the Pope Dead?
i can see it now on the front page of the "Enquirer",,
well u read it here first,,

guess that makes he,,

Walter Wintchel??? lol

reply to post by Extant Taxon


i never said i totally believed that too

however...face it...the contract law the way the world has been purposely pushed to become multiple nation legions of what seems to be the real money/power behind the curtain..and one could see how it could happen

we also know for fact how many elite/royal families treasure BLOOD LINES whether england, france, italy, etc

the whole point of that is to claim power/respect/money because you are related to someone in past who had power/respect/money

i would like to believe a faction or 2 is balancing forces but who knows.

today germany and italy markets are crashing...ROME itself could be BK in the months end and this power at the top likely won't care just as proto described.

This thread is far too long for me to read right now. I will contribute my opinion now and go back and attempt to read much of this thread.

William Cooper described in Behold A Pale Horse the Club of Rome's Ten Global Group. I'm sure info can be found on google for anyone not familiar with this idea. Anyway, Global Group #7 is especially interesting to me in light of the uprisings in north Africa and the MIddle East.

In the book of Revelation, I see a parallel between the Global Groups and the beast. Earth is made up of 7 continents. The beast has 7 heads. On the head of the beast are 10 horns. The 10 global groups could possibly represent the horns. IMO, the woman on the beast is Mother Earth.

Originally posted by SuperTripps
reply to post by Extant Taxon

 

i never said i totally believed that too

I wasn't referring to you specifically, but generally of the premise put forward from the off in this thread and that many here subscribe to it.

The past weekend, me and 2 of my friends ( who are not ATS members ) but followed ProtoplasmicTraveler's crusade against Rome here, asked ourselves '' what made Proto soo special and credible'', well we all agreed on three word to describe him...

- Honesty
- Integrity
- Loyalty

here is a great stand-up comedian who well knows about TPTB, George Carlin, making us awared of the power of one the most powerful secret Roman Legion, The Vatican...

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and like Carlin says here on the best Rant of all time.."the American dream"....

there "IS A REASON"


there's a reason all this has happened and when you study it for a few years...intelligent people can figure out mostly because there is a design or architecture behind why 1000 years of almost seemingly irrational thoughts and actions have been pursued...and how we got to where we are today

its beyond simple greed/human behavior at a certain point

and I think anyone who spends any time on this realized Carlin knew what Proto knows too

and us all..those who spend the time to read it..and add into their own research

The hidden truth behind the formation of America

The influence of Rome over USA is not simply superficial..., it's deeply integrated in the white house's political structure.

During its history in America, the pendulum of influence in the Church’s governance has swung from active lay participation to strict control by the clergy, and back again. Although hindered in its growth by its connection with the more traditional European church and the pope, the American church continues its allegiance to, and guidance from the see in Rome.

Christopher Columbus set sail from Spain with 3 ships, half of the financing was to come from the Queen and the other half from private Italian investors ( ROME ) On his ships' sails we can see the Roman Knight Templar's red cross sign. if Rome really disbanded the Order in 1312, how could Rome sent the Catholic Knight Templar Christopher Columbus, on a exploration adventure in 1492...

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I don't particularly like the author of these videos about the ' RED and BLUE MASS ' but he sometimes have interesting informations.

reply to post by SuperTripps


The Carlin clips are classic, and the third is especially true. That doesn't mean that the corporate owners of the U.S., or anywhere else, are part of some Roman hegemonic cryptocracy stemming from Julius Caesar.

Sorry, I don't buy it.

Thanks for your replies, SuperTripps. Good to to talk to you.

The hidden truth behind the formation of America ( continue )


The following article presented in three parts, was written by a former judge.

He doesn’t reveal his full name, but the information contained within the writing is well-worth reading and digesting anyway.

It is worth reading because it should stimulate your pursuit to understand the truth behind the formation of America.

This is important since Americans have long been deceived by the likes of men who followed in the footsteps of despicable characters like Ben Franklin, men who have hidden their Illuminati and Vatican connections behind a false veil of freedom and Christianity.

If anyone doubts what the judge has researched, just ask yourself why America has crumbled into fascism after only a little more than 200 years of so-called “freedom”.

Here is part one

THE MATRIX AND THE U. S. CONSTITUTION

By: no name (hidden for his safety)

INTRODUCTION:

During my twelve years service as a Judge, I always insisted on the truth and placed justice above law and order! I could have prepared this article indicia of a research paper however; people tend to lose interest when articles of this nature become too technical. Science has taught us that, “For every action there is a positive reaction!” If your life on earth resembles a Matrix, it is because you’re seeing things for the first time, with eyes wide open, but you feel confused! That feeling of confusion is appropriate because the information you are now digesting, contradicts much of the information you have been spoon fed throughout your life! I named this paper after the movie “The Matrix,” written by the Wachowsi brothers. After reading this, watch the movie and you will notice many similarities.

In 2002, my brother ran into a problem with the IRS and to help him out, I began to research the Tax Code. One thing led to another and suddenly I was uncovering information about our government, which was directly in conflict with the U. S. Constitution and what I have been led to believe throughout my life. In time I began to interface with people from every state in the Republic, who was doing the same thing I was doing; some for the same reason and others for different reasons. We began to trade our research and the facts I uncovered was totally in contradiction to the history of America, which had been taught to us in public school and the principals of law, I had absorbed during my service as a Judge. I began to assist people to prepare and file suits in the courts and I filed several of my own. At one point, because of the information I’m about to provide to you; I became extremely depressed. After about three months, I eventually shook it off and continued on with my research.

My hope in writing this is to help you, the reader, make sense of it all, which will require you to wash your mind clean of the brainwashing you were subjected to by our government, our government controlled public schools and church’s and re-educate yourself. When you understand the actions, the reactions will make sense, and it should anger you! Eventually, you will have a choice to make; a choice that will define: “How to survive life in, The Matrix?” In ‘The Matrix’ nothing is real however, your mind has been conditioned to believe it is real! The Matrix is far too big to defeat; no one can escape it, and we haven’t the means or intelligence to beat those in control! Through my research, I discovered that America is a society of functional illiterates! I remind you that this is not my opinion, I’m just the messenger!

The people in charge of the Matrix represent the most powerful and intelligent humans on earth. When gifted children appear in the public schools of the world, they are courted with scholarships, money and eventually memberships into secret societies! They will be introduced to very persuasive intellectuals, who will convince these young gifted people, that it is their place and duty to be a part of the elite who rule the worlds population, because the rest of the worlds population are too stupid to make decisions for themselves (their comment – not mine)! When the “New World Order” is officially and openly in control, only the extremely intelligent will be allowed to propagate. Everyone else will be sterilized or murdered through staged pandemics, used to eliminate excessive populations! Every Foreign Revolution, the World Wars, the Depression, Prohibition, Korea, Vietnam, the Middle East conflict and the Influenza Epidemic during World War I; was planned and orchestrated by these people!

Many early writers researched much of this history and were forced to fund their own publication and the distribution of their work. Most never received the acclaim they deserved, and never knew our government was responsible for their failures! I am prepared to supply anyone interested with mounds of research in support of what I have written herein!

When I’ve conveyed parts of this information in court documents, the opposition’s lawyer, responds to their clients that, “I’m just crazy,” and if the judge is within ear-shot of that comment, he will nod his head in judicial agreement! Well, I guess that caps it! If a lawyer and a lawyer judge, both contend that I am crazy, then I must be crazy! They wouldn’t lie to you! ……. or would they?

THE motive of our Founding Fathers was totally self-centered. It was their personal greed that inspired them to accept the task of writing the Constitution of the United States and not patriotism! In actuality, the United States is not a land or a place: ‘It is a corporation, a legal fiction that existed well before the Revolutionary War.’ [See: Republica v. Sween, 1 Dallas 43 and 28 U. S. C. 3002 (15)].

The Constitution of the United States was written in secret by the Founding Fathers and was never presented to the Colonists for a vote. Surely, any document as important as this demanded the approval of the people it governed! Well, it wasn’t presented for a vote because the Constitution wasn’t created for “We the People,” it was created by and for the Founding Fathers, their family, heirs and their posterity! The Constitution is a business plan and any reference contained within it that appears to be the safeguard of a ‘Right’ is there because none of the Founding Fathers trusted each other. The safeguards were intended to prevent any one or group of them from cutting out the others! Proving that; “There’s no honor among thieves!”

Americans are not unlike all other humans who inhabit the earth. All human beings possess malleable minds, which are minds that can be shaped and controlled; and when government shapes and controls a mind, it’s called “brainwashing.” Brainwashing causes the subject to become ‘functionally illiterate.’ In America, our functional ignorance excels in the areas of history, government and law, which really are one in the same. Ninety-eight percent of the officials in public office are lawyers and these so-called representatives set policy and created the laws that govern this society. Their use of Greek and Latin terms in law and the habit of changing definitions and usage of common words is intentional. The intent is to confound and confuse the general public; and to hide the treason they are implementing; and so that members of the public are forced or decide to hire a lawyer out of frustration, rather than try to represent themselves in our, ‘fictional courts of law.’ As you read on I’ll explain to you why and how, our courts and laws are fictional!

There has never been a law on the books created by the Congress, which made it illegal for a common man to practice law. Every Judge of a District, Circuit or Appeal Court, except Justices and Magistrates, is a lawyer and a member of the Bar. These Judges have the authority to establish local rules of court and those mentioned, have created a local rule that prevents common people from representing any other person in their court or ‘to practice law without a license!’ A license requires that you produce your Bar Association number. For those who don’t know, the Bar Association is simply a ‘Lawyers Union,’ and when lawyers are accepted into the Bar, they are required to swear allegiance to a foreign power! The American Bar Association is a branch of a national organization titled; “The National Lawyers Guild Communist Party” and can be found recorded in the United States Code at: [28 U. S. C. 3002, section 15a]. They have become so big and entrenched that they no longer fear reprisal!

Whenever I tell people that there is no actual law that makes it a crime to represent another person in court, their reaction is, “liar!” I remind them that Abraham Lincoln and Clarence Darrow never went to law school or passed the Bar, but their reaction is understandable because the Bar is a very powerful organization and its members have infiltrated every nitch of American life and business. How many times in your life have you heard, “You can’t practice law without a license?” I’ve heard it said in numerous movies spanning one hundred years; in my mother’s soaps and by comedians in jokes and in theatrical skits. I’ve seen the phrase in print in newspaper articles, magazines and heard it on the radio! Before I learned the truth about this fact, even my personal lawyer made that comment to me! We all have been brainwashed to believe a lie and because we’ve heard it so often from people we trust, and who are supposed to have our best interest at heart; we all just assume it must be true! How many other lies have you assumed,“it must be true?”

Our America society has been lied to by their government and lawyers more times than you will sign your name in your lifetime, and we have been indoctrinated “brainwashed” to believe that the Constitution was created for “We the People.” The purpose behind these lies is to make you believe that you are free, safe, protected and secure, and it is all an hallucination! How many of you have studied each line of the Constitution; the Statutes at Large and the Articles of Confederation, armed with a reputable dictionary or a law dictionary from that era?

If you take the time to do this, you will soon discover that the true purpose of the Constitution was to create a business plan and to establish a Military Government, for the protection of the Founding Fathers, the Kings commerce, protection of his Agents and the future control of his subject Slaves! Even the preamble of the U. S. Constitution is a clue to the lie and which states, “…to ourselves and our posterity!” If you never saw the title, “The Constitution,” and you were never told what this document was about; what do you think would be your first impression upon hearing or reading: “…to ourselves and our posterity!” The CONSTITUTION is not for “We the People” and AMERICA is a Matrix of misinformation. In the eyes of those in control; America is nothing more than a large Plantation and “We the People” are the Slaves. In many U. S. and World Treaties, the term “high contracting powers” is used to define your Masters! Everyone else is considered by them to be their Slaves!

All of the Founding Fathers had two things in common. They all shared the gift of a good education or were gifted individuals, and they all came from families of business and or substance. These men all suffered from, “visions of grandeur!” They viewed America as their one opportunity to make them powerful and wealthy “……….to ourselves and our posterity!” Initially, their plan was to steal America away from the King; despite the fact that King George funded the exploration of the New World, which legally gave him first claim to all new continents discovered.

The seizure of the Americas by the Kings explorers was not as it has been depicted in our history books, presented to us by our government, in our government controlled public schools. Native Americans (the Indians) were murdered, their villages burned, many were enslaved, infected by diseases brought from England and their lands taken by force and the threat of force, by these early explorers! The Indians were labeled savages by these immigrant explorers from England, but the true savages were our English ancestors!

One thing the Founding Fathers did not know, was that all of the Kings lands and all future acquisitions such as the AMERICAS, had been given and pledged by King John to Pope Innocent III and the Holy Roman Church, by the Treaty of 1213. After that fact was proven to the Founding Fathers; King George and representatives from the Vatican; decided to use the Constitutional draft created by the Founding Fathers, to further their plan to control the Colonists! Control attained by bringing the Colonists to their knees in debt! Any way you read it, the Constitution was never written with the intent of benefitting the American people!

Did you know that 98% of the Law Schools in America and England do not include Constitutional Law as a part of their law curriculum? The reason for this phenomenon is because Constitutional Law does not apply to or affect the enforcement of statutes, codes or administrative regulations, which have replaced constitutional law, the common law, public law and penal law and which have been designed to control you; [e.g.] Constitutional Law is taught as an elective at Harvard, Yale and Cambridge, and only for students of law who are planning a future career in government. This should make sense to you as you read on.

In the true History of America, neither side WON the Revolutionary War! At first, the appearance of English troops in the Colonies; was simply a show of force by King George, intended to intimidate the Colonists and force them to pay him taxes. Factually, back in England; English soldiers refused to take up arms against the Colonists because they were English citizens and relatives.

Mr. Mayer Amschel Bauer, founder of the Rothschild Banking Empire; by this time, owned the King! Mr. Bauer had extended unlimited credit to the King and arranged contracts with him, which permitted the Rothschild Tax Collectors to represent and collect the Kings Tax from the Kings subjects. [This is the origin of the concept behind the establishment of the IRS]. It was Bauer who suggested to King George that he enforce a Tax against the Colonists in the New World, since the tax being collected in England was barely enough to pay the interest on the Kings loans. When English soldiers refused to fight; Mr. Bauer negotiated a contract with unemployed Russian/Germanic soldiers, to fight for King George, at a cost of 50¢ a day. Bauer then informed King George that he had hired these soldiers in the Kings name but at a cost of $1.00 a day!

King George utilized these soldiers; dressed them in English soldier uniforms and ordered his career Officers to command them. When his show of force in the Colony’s failed; Mr. Bauer suggested that King George finance the Colonists in their War efforts against him, and bring the Colonists to their knees in debt! The King succeeded in accomplishing this through his appointed civilian figurehead’s in charge of his government of France. Mr. Bauer wanted to expand his Banking Empire into the Colonies. He discovered that the Colonist didn’t trade in gold or silver but used script as the basis of their economy! The script money used, were promissory notes printed by the Colonists. All the Colonists agreed that they would consider these notes, the lawful currency of the colonies. Mr. Bauer wanted gold or silver and induced the King to demand that his Tax in the Colonies be paid in gold or silver! It was that condition, “that broke the camels back” and caused the “Boston Tea Party!” “Whoever controls the money – controls the country!” [Rothschild]